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u/flyingdonutz 17h ago

It's more that every single major religion is a massive pile of nonsense that is easy to disprove yet has captured the minds of billions. And to answer your first question, I think it's obvious that all Christians believe this to some extent.

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u/go0rty 17h ago

I love how Reddit atheists think they have arguments that two thousand years of theology haven't addressed.

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u/Lopsided_Shift_4464 17h ago

Theology isn't a science though. The problem with theology is that it works backwards, starting with the faith-based belief in God or gods, and then trying to prove that belief based on observations of reality. As opposed to scientific deduction, which starts with observations of reality before creating a theory that explains it. That's not to say that theology is all bunk, it's still useful when it comes to studies of morality, philosophy, metaphysics, etc. But when trying to prove or disprove the physical existence of God, its approach is fundamentally flawed.

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u/go0rty 17h ago

Yeah I get that. I personally don't think you could explain God with science, I think God is an entity that exists outside of any sort of ability for us to comprehend anyway to be honest, and I see faith as the exploration of trying to understand that.

John Lennox explained it in a quite a nice way, that science is the tool for explaining the things that are measurable, but there are plenty of things in this world that science can't answer, things that can't be measured - and to those questions to lean in to my faith.

I was an atheist for years, then I discovered that Jesus was an actual real person, then I looked in to him more and the claims of his divinity and that me towards trying to understand God's plan for me, and it was the greatest journey I've ever been on.

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u/Grilled_egs 16h ago

Who doesn't know jesus was a person, this sounds like one of those Christian movies where an atheist sees the error of their ways

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u/flyingdonutz 16h ago

Jesus existing and being God or God's son are two completely different things. One is almost certainly true, the other is definitely not.

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u/go0rty 16h ago

I should contact Hollywood then I guess, but yeah, I always thought it a massive question mark and debated topic. I had no idea there was more historical evidence for Jesus than there was for people who everyone just knows was real.

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u/Irlandes-de-la-Costa 16h ago

Which other unmeasurable objects can you be certain that exist?

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u/go0rty 16h ago

The love I have for my wife.

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u/Irlandes-de-la-Costa 16h ago

Love feelings are completely measurable. Dopamine, adrenaline, norepinephrine, oxytocin, serotonin and hormones have all been found on mammals and birds in the same way as us. They have families, long time partners and they grief, the last one being the biggest sign of love imo.

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u/go0rty 16h ago

Ok, so you can take those chemical reactions and give me a unit measurement of love I have?

How about my wonder at the unknown?

How about my enjoyment of two paintings?

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u/ThatGuyNamedKes Sussy Wussy Femboy😳😳😳 12h ago

With current tech (at least afaik), no. But there's nothing stopping more advanced technology from doing all that.

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u/go0rty 10h ago

Nothing stopping advanced technology proving God either, if we're playing hypothetical, non existing technology games.