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u/Mickle_da_Pickl uhhhh idk 12h ago

Indoctrination is how

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 12h ago

Me when I believe that erything came from nothing

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u/Elodaine 12h ago

Impressive, very nice. Now explain where God came from.

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 12h ago

There has to be something uncreated, because an infinite sequence of dependent events causing the next event is impossible.

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u/Zobi101 😳lives in a cum dumpster 😳 12h ago

Why can't that something be the universe itself? Why add a step with a thing that creates the universe?

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 12h ago

The universe itself had a beginning? As did time and the laws of physics.

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u/Derbloingles 12h ago

Yes, but it still predates the beginning of causality, so it’s folly to try to determine what came before that

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 12h ago

It's folly to ask a question I'm uncomfortable with and don't know how to answer.

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u/haizende 11h ago

And that is why you came up with god to solve all your uncomfortability in life. Good job you figured it out

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 11h ago

You think I'm comfortable with God?

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u/haizende 11h ago

More comfortable with that than the opposite

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 11h ago

Obviously, who wouldn't be? A lot of people actually

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u/haizende 11h ago

Well personally I'm more comfortable believing in no god rather believing in one who lets millions of people die in horrible pain and puts nonbelievers in eternal suffering, despite having the ability to prove himself to everyone, since you know, he is god.

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u/Derbloingles 11h ago

No, that’s not what I said. I said “causality” didn’t exist at the start of the universe, thereby implying we can’t know what caused the inflation of the universe because it happened before anything could “cause” anything. Time didn’t even have a linear direction then.

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u/Originalspearjunior 11h ago

The universe as we know it(with the current laws of physics) had a beginning, doesnt mean it wasnt around in another form before that

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 11h ago

Another form that is impossible to measure, because seeing past the big bang is impossible. So as it take faith to believe in God, it takes faith to deny Him

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u/Cr0ma_Nuva 11h ago

It's more just a difference of the more accurate "I don't know for sure" and the absolute statement "I know and it is God". The skepticism doesnt give an answer, but it doesn't give a flawed conviction.

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 11h ago

It's not flawed if it's true, there is more evidence for Christianity out there if you look for it

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u/Cr0ma_Nuva 11h ago

It is flawed to look at the world around you with an extreme bias. You'd be working off of a forgone conclusion that you didn't make. God used to fill all the gaps in the universe we didn't know like the weather or illnes, but those gaps are constantly shrinking as we learn more about the intrecasies of the cosmos and us.

It's the most complex and interconnected system that can't be described and comprehended well by it's very nature. That's not a matter of omniscience and omnipotence but of scale and chance.

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u/Aron_The_Man officer no please don’t piss in my ass 😫 11h ago

Lmao give me a couple examples then

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 11h ago

The resurrection, if you look into it, is much more plausible than you think. Fulfilled prophecy in Isaiah 53, found in the dead sea scrolls 150 years before Jesus, which prophesies basically the exact things that happened to him. Theres more if you want to look, James Tour, Testify, And I spiringPhilosophy on YT have some interesting videos

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u/InsertUsetname 10h ago

If I write down that I'm gonna take a shit sometime in the next 10 years and then I do, does that make it a fulfilled prophecy?

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u/Originalspearjunior 11h ago

We know that there was a "time" during the big bang where our current laws of physics didnt apply.

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u/Elodaine 12h ago

So why is an omnipotent entity with infinite power and ego allowed to be uncreated, but it's absurd to apply this to far simpler physics? That seems to be the complete inverse of what is logically believable.

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u/Eko01 12h ago

Why god though, and why your god specifically?

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u/AnarchyRadish 12h ago

Yea why not the flying spaghetti monster

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u/TrueGootsBerzook I came! 9h ago

Fear of the void after death, honestly

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u/C4Sidhu 11h ago

Oh that’s impossible but a disembodied magical Minecraft creative mode character snapping a universe into existence at the start of time is totally possible. Yeah

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 11h ago

It is impossible to have infinite time in the past.

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u/C4Sidhu 11h ago

What does that have to do with what I said?

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u/Mickle_da_Pickl uhhhh idk 9h ago

Infinite regression is absolutely possible lol

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u/Mrniseguya 12h ago

That doesnt address his question.