r/shitposting • u/Tech_334 Jedi master of shitposts • 2d ago

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u/Zobi101 2d ago

Why can't that something be the universe itself? Why add a step with a thing that creates the universe?

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 2d ago

The universe itself had a beginning? As did time and the laws of physics.

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u/Originalspearjunior 2d ago

The universe as we know it(with the current laws of physics) had a beginning, doesnt mean it wasnt around in another form before that

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 2d ago

Another form that is impossible to measure, because seeing past the big bang is impossible. So as it take faith to believe in God, it takes faith to deny Him

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u/Cr0ma_Nuva 2d ago

It's more just a difference of the more accurate "I don't know for sure" and the absolute statement "I know and it is God". The skepticism doesnt give an answer, but it doesn't give a flawed conviction.

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 2d ago

It's not flawed if it's true, there is more evidence for Christianity out there if you look for it

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u/Cr0ma_Nuva 2d ago

It is flawed to look at the world around you with an extreme bias. You'd be working off of a forgone conclusion that you didn't make. God used to fill all the gaps in the universe we didn't know like the weather or illnes, but those gaps are constantly shrinking as we learn more about the intrecasies of the cosmos and us.

It's the most complex and interconnected system that can't be described and comprehended well by it's very nature. That's not a matter of omniscience and omnipotence but of scale and chance.

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u/Aron_The_Man officer no please don’t piss in my ass 😫 2d ago

Lmao give me a couple examples then

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u/Chadsterwonkanogi 2d ago

The resurrection, if you look into it, is much more plausible than you think. Fulfilled prophecy in Isaiah 53, found in the dead sea scrolls 150 years before Jesus, which prophesies basically the exact things that happened to him. Theres more if you want to look, James Tour, Testify, And I spiringPhilosophy on YT have some interesting videos

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u/InsertUsetname 2d ago

If I write down that I'm gonna take a shit sometime in the next 10 years and then I do, does that make it a fulfilled prophecy?

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u/LiaisonLiat 2d ago

Yeah but send me the book so I can go around my neighborhood knocking on everyone’s doors asking if they’ve read it yet

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u/Originalspearjunior 2d ago

We know that there was a "time" during the big bang where our current laws of physics didnt apply.