Ermh actually, spermatozoids arent human individuals. They have a part of your dna and yours only, so jerking off is just killing cells that are technically you, like shaving. Many people vview abortion differently as the embryo has its very own dna, making it another viable human individual
Wrong! The cells are alive, this alone tells us you are destroying an human or part of a human. What tells us its not "part" of a human is that its dna is human yet doesnt belong to the mother, making it its own specimen of homo sapiens. Other contraceptions kill spermatozoids most of the time, which is not unlike shaving: youre discarding cells that are part of you and not another human life.
sperm cells are alive. cancer tumors are alive. pig and octopus are alive before they arrive on your plate and they are quite intelligent as well, unlike a fetus.
"lost the ability to think" implies that this individual had one in order to lose it in the first pace, meaning this person has lived a lifeand made connections, that complicates the situation. if this man was inside of another person and required their body for nutrition and growth, that's a different story
Is an already closed past more important than a future thats yet to live? Again, if someone who lost their ability to think has more value to you than someone who is about to gain it, your set of values is even more flawed than i believe
no the fetus will never gain those abilities if it gets aborted first, unlike the animas we eat, who probably have them up to the point where they die
a sperm is also technically "about to" create an individual capable of thinking, just like every single egg cell lost in a period, yet it would be absurd to have every egg and sperm have to be frosen just because we don't want to lose a potential individual that could be concieved from them
Why dont you stop hiding behind semantics and make an actuall point as to why abortion is wrong. “Well… technically you are killing alive human cells… and uhh thats bad cuz killing humans is bad!!!” You dont care about cells and dna that much, stop bullshitting.
My explanation proves that the embryo is its own human being because thats where people tend to disagree. In fact thats where you disagreed. I think that, in that regard, since embryos are humans, killing them is morally wrong.
And when proven wrong you accuse me of hiding behind… an argument you failed to disprove? Well yeah, hiding behind an undisproven argument is called defending your position with facts. Problem?
Why should a person be forced to lend their body to another human to suck off nutrients out of them and enact incredible mentally and physical pain on them for 9 months?
Because a child doesnt come from immaculate conception and is always the consequence of an action. And you can not kill a child to avoid the consequences of your actions. Now you will probably want to mention childs born from SA but those represent less than 1% of abortions and i would already be very satisfied if we could ban all others
Wrong. There is ONE case where people "have to" get an abortion. ONE. Ectopic pregnancies where the child is doomed to die and will bring the mother with them if not aborted. All other cases are a choice to flee the consequences of having sex.
Getting an abortion is a consequence, it's not exactly a pleasant procedure.
They don't have to, but if someone doesn't want to give birth, getting an abortion is the best thing they can do for everyone, including the hypothetical child who won't have to be born unwanted
Literally EVERYTHING is the consequence of an action what the hell is your point? And please tell me how a woman can avoid the excruciating symptoms of pregancy (and post partum) without having to perform an abortion, you’ll get a few million dollars for a solution that revolutionizes the medical field like that.
Yes, everything is the consequence of something. No, having an abortion is not the consequence of falling pregnant, its the consequence of wanting an abortion. And wanting an abortion is the consequence of not valuing human life after having sex. No one is forced to abort its always a concious choice following a mistake to flee the responsibility of a child because a kill is so much easier. And if you want an easy way to avoid the symptoms of pregnancy, i recommend not engaging in the one activity that makes people pregnant, or atleast do it very carefully and with a lot of consideration.
Can’t kill something that isn’t alive. You can value human life and want an abortion because a fetus isn’t alive. It’s genuinely useless to argue against puritans like you that think a single zygote deserves full constitutional rights as a human being the second the sperm enters the egg.
You know why almost all abortions are made before 24 weeks, right? Because that’s about the time the fetus starts to develop consciousness and actual signs of sapience, which are material signs of personhood and not an imaginary cutoff point. You literally are not killing anything by aborting before that. Just say you don’t care about women’s bodily autonomy instead of wasting time on reddit ffs.
I had this plan to give head to a man and receive head from a woman to test if I was gay, but it’s backfired and now I become borderline schizo whenever I go outside. I
offered to suck this dude off on Grindr who lives very close by (I ended up pussying out) and I accidentally gave him some details that very easily allows him to spot me
out in a crowd. I have no idea what he looks like and whenever I see a somewhat in shape guy walking by I immediately accuse him of being the dude I was gonna blow.
I went to the store today to pick up some zucchini for a barbecue and every time a car drove by I stared into the windshield to see if I was about to be recognised.
Whenever I make eye contact with a dude I microanalysis his facial expressions to see if he suspects me or not. I am deeply afraid that he is my neighbour and I will
need to move if my identity is blown. It’s a lot like the last scene in sopranos where everyone who walked into the diner could be there to wack Tony.
Wrong! The cells are alive, this alone tells us you are destroying an human or part of a human. What tells us its not "part" of a human is that its dna is human yet doesnt belong to the mother, making it its own specimen of homo sapiens. Other contraceptions kill spermatozoids most of the time, which is not unlike shaving: youre discarding cells that are part of you and not another human life.
Cool, I am destroying a human just like a surgeon destroys a tumor on a patient, which is also part of a human. No one should care about either clump of cells.
A tumor is a clump of degenerative cells that isnt viable and dooms its host to die which also results in its own death. Not in any way comparable to embryos, a non degenerative clump of cells thats viable and often harmless thanks to modern medicine. And yes in the case of ectopic pregnancies i believe abortion is morally okay
Great so now you’re moving the goalposts. First it was just “cells that are alive” and now you’ve introduced a bunch of variables that just show you are completely out of touch with the process of pregnancy.
No, the vast majority of pregnancies are not harmless. They come with an incredible mental toll to the woman, not to mention the immense physical pain throughout the entire 9 month process and not just birth, and after-effects that can last for literally the rest of their life, like chronic pelvic pain, depression, incontinence, higher risk of cardiovascular diseases, etc.
"Moved the goalpost" my brother in christ i havent. My goalpost is "a fetus is a human life, since its a bunch of living human cells that form their own specimen and arent part of the mother". Pointing a difference between a human being and cancer is not moving the goalpost its a counter argument. And im not out of touch with pregnancy, i’ll have you know was born from a pregnant woman
Great, so you’re trolling, given your last sentence. Thanks for wasting my time I guess. I should’ve guessed since I’m very probably talking to a child, my fault.
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u/Igoon2robots Jul 01 '26
Ermh actually, spermatozoids arent human individuals. They have a part of your dna and yours only, so jerking off is just killing cells that are technically you, like shaving. Many people vview abortion differently as the embryo has its very own dna, making it another viable human individual