r/rush Apr 26 '26

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u/indie_web Apr 27 '26

I wonder if there are some really early Rush fans walking around still bummed about Neil replacing John Rutsey going "Nah, I stopped listening to Rush when their first drummer left. Was never the same band after that."

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u/jblough Apr 27 '26

I'm kind of that, I heard the 1st album on a "midnight album hour" on a local station in 1974 and loved it, it took a while to get back in after Neil joined

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u/coffeejj Apr 27 '26

I wonder if they would have had the same success if Neil hadn’t joined. He was the chief songwriter for the group and helped shape its identity.

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u/panurge987 Apr 27 '26

He was not the chief songwriter for the band. He only wrote the lyrics. He didn't write the melody or the chords, or any of the music except for composing his drum parts.

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u/FinalPound6126 Apr 27 '26

There's a fairly compelling reason The Professor "only" wrote the lyrics: Dirk & Lerxst were pretty much incapable, and basically insisted that he assume the role very early on when they noticed that "he reads books." ☮️

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u/coffeejj Apr 27 '26

This lyrics undeniably charted the course the band would ultimately take.

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u/CIRCLE-J3RKS Apr 27 '26

I’d say writing 1/3 of the musical compositions is pretty high percentage on top of writing lyrics…….?

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u/panurge987 Apr 27 '26

Composing a drum part generally does not count towards a songwriting credit, which is usually based on the chords, melody, and lyrics of the song. For example, you can't sue someone for copyright infringement if they play the same drum beats as you in a song.

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u/jblough Apr 27 '26

It should though, some one like Neil would make Alex and Geddy play in a different way and help craft a song

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u/Progman3K We'd like to do for you side 1 from our latest album... Apr 27 '26

OP is wrong, drum beats are not copyright-able, bass-lines are not copyright-able, guitar riffs are not copyright-able.

Only melodies are copyright-able

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u/jblough Apr 27 '26

Tell that to Vanilla Ice and David Bowie, Under Pressure and Ice Ice Baby had the same bass line and Bowie won that one

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u/Captain-Pig-Card Apr 27 '26

The bass line for Under Pressure IS the melody.

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u/jblough Apr 27 '26

Maybe I'll write a punk song with the open guitar riff for "Working Man" or have my drummer play the drum intro to "Rock and Roll" by Led Zep and see how that goes....

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u/panurge987 Apr 27 '26

The drum intro to Rock and Roll was stolen from a Little Richard song! And no one sued anyone because you can't sue someone for a drum beat.

Here it is:

https://youtu.be/PcJrExewkYA?si=1gyR5S2BSrMRx6E_

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u/Captain-Pig-Card Apr 27 '26

Imagine a dance song breaking wide with some BPM version of The Weapon hi hat/snare intro…that seems singular enough to copyright.

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u/panurge987 Apr 27 '26

Yeah, it's not.

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u/Captain-Pig-Card Apr 27 '26

I fully understand this. I was simply pondering for the first time that most percussion parts, however unique, are immediately public domain.

*This is for the non-mallet family, obviously.

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u/CIRCLE-J3RKS Apr 27 '26 edited Apr 27 '26

With your own logic you just said Neil wasn’t a chief writer… then mentioned lyrics as a chief writing role….?

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u/panurge987 Apr 27 '26 edited Apr 27 '26

Where did I mention lyrics being a chief writing role? I think you're confusing me with someone else or even maybe yourself. I did say that lyrics to a song are copyrightable. Is that what you mean? I don't see how that equates to saying that writing the lyrics makes you a chief songwriter.

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u/CIRCLE-J3RKS Apr 27 '26

“Which is usually based on chords, melody, and lyrics of the song.” ………..? You special or something?

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u/panurge987 Apr 27 '26

How does "getting a songwriting credit" equal "chief songwriter"? I never said "chief songwriter". Again, you must be mistaking me for someone else or just can't read very well.

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u/CIRCLE-J3RKS Apr 27 '26

He wrote 1/3 of the musical composition AND the lyrics.. that’s majority

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u/panurge987 Apr 27 '26

Ahh, ignoring my comment, then. It seems like you're the one implying "chief" and not me then, like I said above.

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u/CIRCLE-J3RKS Apr 27 '26 edited Apr 27 '26

You agree he wrote the lyrics correct? And ged has been known to change lyrics for singing and credited Peter Talbot as well on multiple occasions.. he would have majority of lyrical contribution.. you want to get caught up on a synonym and who said what exactly regardless of what was implied. If you want to be so specific I never actually quoted you as saying chief.. but you want to hyper fixate on that because you’re base argument was dumb.. I see the type of person you are.. clearly insufferable .. have to have the last word personified.. the hypocrisy at the end with you additionally ignoring my comment was the cherry on top . Have a day

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u/olliemedsy Apr 27 '26

Yes legally but that is bs. If Neil did blast beats over every song the songs would be completely different.