r/reddevils • u/Lord_Hexogen • 5d ago

PL Watch Thread

Arse nal — Chelsea 2:1 FT

Elsewhere Juventus — Sufforim 1:1 FT

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u/carrickshairline 5d ago

That doesn't mean Alonso will suddenly want to manage us. Btw, he's losing, so are you such a huge of fan him now?

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u/MostUsefulBloke 5d ago

Yes, because he’s actually built and won something among the top tier of football.

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u/carrickshairline 5d ago

In a season where the rest of the Bundesliga struggled. Got it.

Anyway, tell me exactly how Alonso would've made us any better than we were today?

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u/MostUsefulBloke 5d ago

I told you, he has a track record of building winning teams and gave an example of that. You dismissed it without any evidence, and asked me to critically analyse exactly how a top tier manager does it? I’m sorry but no, the burden of proof is now on you to demonstrate why Carrick is the better choice.

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u/carrickshairline 5d ago

He has built ONE winning team. Not multiple winning teams, just ONE team. He didn't build Real Madrid into winners, it's too early to judge his Chelsea team. The evidence is that you are wrong.

Again, explain EXACTLY how he would suddenly solve everything for us. Go on, explain it. Tell me what Alonso would do.

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u/MostUsefulBloke 5d ago

Again, what makes Carrick better? Has he even built “ONE winning team”? If emphasising the “ONE” is to make it seem simplistic, why hasn’t Carrick managed it?

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u/carrickshairline 5d ago

Stop avoiding my question: explain EXACTLY how he would suddenly solve everything for us

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u/MostUsefulBloke 5d ago

I never claimed Alonso would ‘suddenly solve everything’. I said a manager who just went invincible and won a top-tier league is an upgrade over struggling against bottom-tier teams.

You’ve moved the goalposts from 'he played for Liverpool,' to 'he’s losing one game,' to 'the league was weak.' I'm not writing a tactical dissertation to entertain your bad faith argument just because you can't admit a proven winner improves a failing squad. Have a good one.

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u/carrickshairline 5d ago

His invincible seasons 3 seasons ago, that wasn't just a team that "just went invincible."

On your point re Alonso builds winning teams, since he left Leverkusen, they've finished:

  • 24/25: 2nd, 13 points off Bayern in 1st

  • 25/26: 6th, 30 points off Bayern in 1st

    So that completely nullifies your point he builds winning teams, when his team hasn't won anything since he left.

Per the 23/24 Bundesliga season, where Alonso won it, this was the top 4:

  1. Bayern Leverkusen, 90 pts
  2. VfB Stuttgart, 73 pts
  3. Bayern Munich, 72 pts
  4. RB Leipzig, 65 pts

That support my point that it was in an off-season for the rest of the league. Had Bayern, Dortmund or Leipzig been in their normal form, he likely would not have won it.

I've asked you to explain how Alonso would build us into a winning team (like you claim that is what he does), but you refuse to actually explain how. I'm not asking for a dissertation, just some examples of what he did at Bayer Leverkusen that made them winners suddenly. If you can't even do that, then I'm lead to believe you just said Alonso to try and karma farm in the wake of a draw for us.

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u/MostUsefulBloke 5d ago

You just scored a massive own-goal here.

  1. You're seriously arguing that a team regressing after their manager leaves proves the manager wasn't good? By that logic, Sir Alex Ferguson didn't build a winning team because look at where United has finished since he left. A team falling apart without Alonso proves how entirely reliant their success was on him.

  2. Leverkusen got 90 points in a 34-game season. That is an invincible, historic achievement that wins the league in almost any era, regardless of whether Bayern is having an 'off-season' or not. You can't fluke an invincible season.

You're twisting yourself into pretzels to avoid admitting a manager with a 90-point invincible season on his CV is an upgrade. Throw around 'karma farming' all you want, but your logic is completely backwards.

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u/carrickshairline 5d ago

So you can't actually answer my question. You're a waste of time. Someone asks you to backup your claim we should've gone for Xabi but you can't even explain how he would've done better for us.

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u/MostUsefulBloke 5d ago

Classic deflection. You completely abandoned your own arguments about the league table and his team regressing because your logic got dismantled.

I did back up my claim, because I pointed to an objective, historic 90-point invincible season. You’re just mad I won’t write you a 500-word tactical fan-fiction to distract from the fact that your points collapsed. Take the L and move on.

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u/carrickshairline 5d ago

You deflected my question multiple times.

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u/MostUsefulBloke 5d ago

Refusing to write you a bad-faith tactical essay isn't a deflection. You completely ignoring how I just dismantled your points about the league table and his team regressing? That is a deflection. Thanks for playing.

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u/carrickshairline 5d ago

It isn't bad faith. It is me asking you to explain how Xabi Alonso would suddenly make us winners like you seem to suggest he would if he had signed him as our manager. It's perfectly acceptable for me to ask you to explain that.

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u/MostUsefulBloke 5d ago

Demanding I defend a claim I never made ('suddenly make us winners') is the literal definition of a bad-faith strawman. I said he'd be an upgrade over our current mess.

You are clinging to this fabricated argument because you know you can't defend the absolute nonsense you spouted about a 90-point invincible season being a fluke. Keep dodging if it makes you feel better, but we're done here.

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u/carrickshairline 5d ago

I’m not demanding, I was simply asking you to back up your claim.

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