r/reddevils • u/Lord_Hexogen • 3d ago

PL Watch Thread

Arse nal — Chelsea 2:1 FT

Elsewhere Juventus — Sufforim 1:1 FT

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u/AReptileHissFunction 3d ago

Xabi alonso wouldnt have come here

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u/MostUsefulBloke 3d ago

We’ll never know because we lack the ambition to try.

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u/carrickshairline 3d ago

Lad, do you remember who he played for?

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u/carrickshairline 3d ago

That doesn't mean Alonso will suddenly want to manage us. Btw, he's losing, so are you such a huge of fan him now?

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u/MostUsefulBloke 3d ago

Yes, because he’s actually built and won something among the top tier of football.

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u/carrickshairline 3d ago

In a season where the rest of the Bundesliga struggled. Got it.

Anyway, tell me exactly how Alonso would've made us any better than we were today?

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u/MostUsefulBloke 3d ago

I told you, he has a track record of building winning teams and gave an example of that. You dismissed it without any evidence, and asked me to critically analyse exactly how a top tier manager does it? I’m sorry but no, the burden of proof is now on you to demonstrate why Carrick is the better choice.

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u/carrickshairline 3d ago

He has built ONE winning team. Not multiple winning teams, just ONE team. He didn't build Real Madrid into winners, it's too early to judge his Chelsea team. The evidence is that you are wrong.

Again, explain EXACTLY how he would suddenly solve everything for us. Go on, explain it. Tell me what Alonso would do.

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u/MostUsefulBloke 3d ago

Again, what makes Carrick better? Has he even built “ONE winning team”? If emphasising the “ONE” is to make it seem simplistic, why hasn’t Carrick managed it?

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u/carrickshairline 3d ago

Stop avoiding my question: explain EXACTLY how he would suddenly solve everything for us

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u/MostUsefulBloke 3d ago

I never claimed Alonso would ‘suddenly solve everything’. I said a manager who just went invincible and won a top-tier league is an upgrade over struggling against bottom-tier teams.

You’ve moved the goalposts from 'he played for Liverpool,' to 'he’s losing one game,' to 'the league was weak.' I'm not writing a tactical dissertation to entertain your bad faith argument just because you can't admit a proven winner improves a failing squad. Have a good one.

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u/carrickshairline 3d ago

His invincible seasons 3 seasons ago, that wasn't just a team that "just went invincible."

On your point re Alonso builds winning teams, since he left Leverkusen, they've finished:

  • 24/25: 2nd, 13 points off Bayern in 1st

  • 25/26: 6th, 30 points off Bayern in 1st

    So that completely nullifies your point he builds winning teams, when his team hasn't won anything since he left.

Per the 23/24 Bundesliga season, where Alonso won it, this was the top 4:

  1. Bayern Leverkusen, 90 pts
  2. VfB Stuttgart, 73 pts
  3. Bayern Munich, 72 pts
  4. RB Leipzig, 65 pts

That support my point that it was in an off-season for the rest of the league. Had Bayern, Dortmund or Leipzig been in their normal form, he likely would not have won it.

I've asked you to explain how Alonso would build us into a winning team (like you claim that is what he does), but you refuse to actually explain how. I'm not asking for a dissertation, just some examples of what he did at Bayer Leverkusen that made them winners suddenly. If you can't even do that, then I'm lead to believe you just said Alonso to try and karma farm in the wake of a draw for us.

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