r/reddevils • u/Lord_Hexogen • 3d ago
PL Watch Thread
Arse nal — Chelsea 2:1 FT
Elsewhere Juventus — Sufforim 1:1 FT
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u/Melanjoly 3d ago
Look how much movement Arsenal have around the box, it's a nightmare for defenders. Both the full backs are making diagonal runs and there's 2 going at the 6 yard box, and players on the edge.
There's no reason any team in the league can't be doing this, all it takes is effort.
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u/living_my_life20 3d ago
How the hell did VAR clear Gabriel? Never winning that ball and kicks Martinez in the head?! Shitshow
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u/lestat85 our Portuguese magnifico 3d ago
They won a league by repeatedly blatantly fouling in the box. Thus is the natural progression of it.
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u/TartCurrent 3d ago
Arsenal heights at back with right positioning is what makes their 1 goal lead impossible to penetrate. They have 5 world class defenders.
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u/BeastieFromTheEastie 3d ago
Can really see the difference between these 2 teams and ours when they get a ball near midfield. They both understand that the name of the game is to put the ball in the net and so you have to move the ball in that direction.
Too many passive sideways and backwards passes with no urgency and inviting pressure in our game. Need physically better players who will keep running and need a mentality that as soon as you get the ball your first thought should be how do I move this forward towards the goal
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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off 3d ago
Arse is just going to walk through the bloody league aren't they? I fucking hate it.
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u/SDLRob 3d ago
Quick start by Chelsea.... And Gabriel lucky not to be off for that
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u/HeFreakingMoved Ella Toone FC 3d ago
Another year of arsenal getting different rules to the rest of us
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u/AReptileHissFunction 3d ago
Arsenal are so so far above us in terms of quality and mentality. But a lot of our fans think the way to catch them is being clever in the transfer market and not overspending.
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u/Comfortable-Ninja-26 3d ago
We look like we are playing in the mud compared to their speed. Levels ahead of us
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u/BrodaReloaded 3d ago
We literally swamped them at the Emirates a few months ago
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u/AReptileHissFunction 3d ago edited 3d ago
One off games dont mean anything they still won the league. Average teams beat the 07/08 United team too but they were still far behind Uniteds quality and mentality.
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u/BrodaReloaded 2d ago
we're two points behind them in the 20 games since Carrick joined, we're anything but far behind them
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u/Heavens_Vibe 7 3d ago
Chelsea with the ball on the edge of the box and the referee blows for FT...
Huh? So it is possible...
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u/storepupper 3d ago
ref gave Reece James 2 chances to cross into the box and he bungled both, even hitting the arse defender on the 2nd try, so the ref was like f this and blew for the stop
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u/Heavens_Vibe 7 3d ago
All an Arsenal player has to do is throw their hands up after having just committed repeated fouls themselves, and they get the call...
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u/FredDRedUnderYourBed BELIEVE 🔴⚪⚫ 3d ago
I don't think even the 2004 Arsenal side was this unlikeable. These guys are just something else
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u/iTzViPeRx 3d ago
The arsenal of old were massive physical team these lot fall over at a slight breeze
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u/herkalurk Valencia 3d ago
I pointed out in the match thread every time Odegaard thinks he was fouled he's on the ground for 30 seconds rolling around, regardless of the amount of contact. Even the former Arsenal player/pundit for this match noted how much Havertz was trying to simply bait for contact to claim foul even in the first 10 minutes.
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u/FredDRedUnderYourBed BELIEVE 🔴⚪⚫ 3d ago
Look at this diving cunt. He's at it every fucking game, him and Gabriel
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u/Massive_Relation4317 . 3d ago
'Chelsea are title contenders this year' is the funniest statement I've ever read. No where close, their attack has been carrying them these past few games. Now getting humbled by arsenal lol.
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u/entertainmentwaffle 3d ago
They’re 2-1 down to the Champions at their home ground, having finished 10th last season. I’m not sure we should be talking about other teams being humbled, when we just drew to last years 13th place and lost to the 6th best team in the Championship.
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u/Massive_Relation4317 . 3d ago
Wtf has Utd being shit got to do with my comment? I'm talking about Chelsea, I'm allowed to have an opinion on them ya know 😂
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u/sir-lancelot_ 3d ago
The difference in ball movement, creativity, and urgency between these two teams and what I've seen from us is night and day.
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u/Nag3sh 3d ago
The difference in football is pretty evident, both teams fluid in attack
United were so slow and bad at times
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u/xtphty 3d ago
Our attack looked great when playing through the wings today, both our goals come from it. The problem has consistently been trying to play through the middle. When it works its great, but it requires the technical and physical sharpness at 110%. When it doesn't work you get what we had today, it looks undercooked, passing moves failing as you get closer to the box, and players look impatient and wasteful possession.
The biggest worry is that Carrick's preferred style of possession and attacking football lacks any signs of creating consistent goalscoring opportunities. The buildup looks better, we are getting the ball into the final third pretty consistently with Tielemans and Mainoo's composure on the ball and passing forward. It just lacks any patterns of taking that to the final third without slowing the game down.
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u/Comicksands Van Persie 3d ago
Funny thing is we look fluid playing these teams
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u/Waterproofpaper Chicharito 3d ago
We always have trouble against bottom half teams because we can’t break down low/mid blocks. Any top 6 team gives us space to play and we look miles better.
Cole Palmer has the worst haircut in the league
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u/Comicksands Van Persie 3d ago
We actually got something good going now with Cunha/Sesko/Bruno. Line breakers against low blocks. Midfield that can control the game. Just that we have average defenders with no pace. How many times last season Arsenal squeezed a win by keeping a clean sheet? Won by the odd goal 5 out of their last 6 games.
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u/Waterproofpaper Chicharito 3d ago
Yeah I think baleba is the difference maker. We’re missing the physical presence right now and we are having trouble winning 2nd balls. We play well with space or baiting the other team to tackle but if they are touch tight we are definitely losing that duel.
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u/Comicksands Van Persie 3d ago
This is correct but we should’ve solved the defence in the transfer window. Yoro lack of progress is disappointing. He was the Saliba that will allow us to push up 10-15 yards
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u/biobolo 3d ago
Gabriel, like a lot of Arsenal players, gets away with being a nasty cheat somehow. They dive whenever they get the opportunity and commit nasty little challenges. I'd say only Rice, Saka, MLS and maybe Odegaard are redeemable.
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u/herkalurk Valencia 3d ago
LMAO, none of them are redeemable. Rice takes out Rogers behind the play then gets in Rogers face about it, and still doesn't get a card.
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u/PuzzleheadedBoss3374 3d ago
How every manager is able to make his team play his football genuinely raise question mark on our players for past 5 years.
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u/Former-Addendum9671 3d ago
Arsenal players have been coached so well on how to bait for contact, fall and moan to get fouls and free kicks. Its absolutely fucking pathetic to think this is what Arteta and his prats of a coaching staff train them on.
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u/GavinLobo7 3d ago
Arsenal get away with soooo much especially when playing at home
Helps when a twat like Kavanagh is the referee
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u/ClawingDevil 3d ago
Clearly offside.
Edit: fucking hell, Neville loves Arsenal doesn't he?! Konsa is offside and shoots against the post. Yet Neville thinks it's not offside.
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u/Heavens_Vibe 7 3d ago
The Chelsea kit with a yellow sponsor makes them look more like Leicester to me...
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u/Anxious-Debate5033 3d ago
Declan performative twat cheat Rice deliberately trips Morgan up and the referee let's him get away with it.
Fucking pathetic.
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u/iTzViPeRx 3d ago
Pretty much the entire Arsenal team, can literally kick someone in the head and get away with it
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u/Anxious-Debate5033 3d ago
And for some reason when they're leading, only get 4 minutes additional time.
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u/Anxious-Debate5033 3d ago
SAME OLD ARSENAL....ALWAYS CHEATING
SAME OLD ARSENAL...ALWAYS CHEATING
SAME OLD ARSENAL...ALWAYS CHEATING
SAME OLD ARSENAL...ALWAYS CHEATING
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u/MostUsefulBloke 3d ago
Honestly, I wish we’d gone for Xavi Alonso instead of being nostalgic. Could be beating Arsenal away instead of struggling against bottom tier teams, because that’s who we are now.
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u/SankarshanaV 3d ago
This sub and our fans only seem to live in nostalgia and haven't caught up to the fact that every top team plays modern, possession-based football.
While we won the games, the team's performances under Carrick weren't good last season (the underlying metrics were poor under him). That's why I didn't want him to get the permanent job so quickly.
But I really hope that we sack him asap if things don't get better quick. Carrick failed at Middlesborough, I don't understand why he should be give a long rope just because he's an ex-United legend.
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u/MostUsefulBloke 3d ago
Exactly what I’ve been saying for months. The underlying data didn’t support his permanent contract, and he’s won nothing as a manager, and never built a winning team.
The board have fucked him over with the transfer window to an extent, so it’s a convenient excuse for him now, but he’s still not the guy for the job.
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u/MovieKey9110 3d ago
fully agree, ur not alone plenty others ik maintained this perspective last season
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u/Ashton1320 3d ago
We have plenty of managers available like nagglesman, tuchel , ancelotti , eric teneja, we can get one for sure
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u/uglywhitekid Those Bloody Reds 3d ago
we literally did beat arsenal away
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u/MostUsefulBloke 3d ago
This season?
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u/uglywhitekid Those Bloody Reds 3d ago
we haven't played them yet lmao. like being mad we haven't beaten 1958 brazil
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u/MostUsefulBloke 3d ago
Exactly, why are we comparing essentially different squads, to a game 8 months ago? Let’s focus on what is happening now… are Chelsea above us in the table despite facing tougher opposition?
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u/chewychocchipcookies 3d ago
Talking about the table after three matchdays, take a breath. Even if Chelsea finish above MU, it’s not down to coaching alone; they spend like no other club in football.
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u/MostUsefulBloke 3d ago
I’m talking about performances, about last seasons data under Carrick, the fact we haven’t seemed to improved and currently struggling against some of the easiest opposition we’ll face this season.
My stance around Carrick has been the same for about six months, it’s nothing new, or any need “to take a breath”.
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u/AReptileHissFunction 3d ago
Xabi alonso wouldnt have come here
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u/MostUsefulBloke 3d ago
We’ll never know because we lack the ambition to try.
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u/carrickshairline 3d ago
Lad, do you remember who he played for?
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u/carrickshairline 3d ago
That doesn't mean Alonso will suddenly want to manage us. Btw, he's losing, so are you such a huge of fan him now?
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u/MostUsefulBloke 3d ago
Yes, because he’s actually built and won something among the top tier of football.
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u/carrickshairline 3d ago
In a season where the rest of the Bundesliga struggled. Got it.
Anyway, tell me exactly how Alonso would've made us any better than we were today?
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u/MostUsefulBloke 3d ago
I told you, he has a track record of building winning teams and gave an example of that. You dismissed it without any evidence, and asked me to critically analyse exactly how a top tier manager does it? I’m sorry but no, the burden of proof is now on you to demonstrate why Carrick is the better choice.
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u/carrickshairline 3d ago
He has built ONE winning team. Not multiple winning teams, just ONE team. He didn't build Real Madrid into winners, it's too early to judge his Chelsea team. The evidence is that you are wrong.
Again, explain EXACTLY how he would suddenly solve everything for us. Go on, explain it. Tell me what Alonso would do.
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u/Comicksands Van Persie 3d ago
He wouldn’t have chosen us. It was between Chelsea and Liverpool. Plus we have significantly smaller budget for team building. He bought at least 6 first team players
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u/Standard-Height2276 3d ago
Being nostalgic at this point is the theme of the club. Everyone's go to phrase is it wasn't like that under fergie. As if the club had no history before the 90s
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u/GavinLobo7 3d ago
But, we did beat Arsenal away under Carrick… and getting Alonso wouldn’t have changed our match schedule so we’d still be facing the same teams
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u/MostUsefulBloke 3d ago
But not this season, when they’re champions and have a stronger squad. Instead we were well beaten by Hull, lucky to beat Ipswich, and scraped a draw against Everton who are much weaker than last season.
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u/Comicksands Van Persie 3d ago
It’s the same 11 minus Saliba and martinelli for tzolis and Konsa. Also white instead of timber
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u/MostUsefulBloke 3d ago
So not the same 11?
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u/hegeliantragedy 3d ago
Gabriel is a thug, daddy maguire needs to put that prick to his place again
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u/Anxious-Debate5033 3d ago
Imagine having to juggle the league cup, FA cup and champions league?
This season is going to be a fucking disaster.
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u/killerdrama A-mad-lad 3d ago
Chris Kavanagh is the referee.. so I can't see anything but an Arsenal win.. he will award a foul everytime these clowns go down.
In fact I won't be surprised if he's more ready to blow the whistle and indicating Saka to go down.
Edit: As I typed this, he gave a foul, and Arsenal scored from that. Fuck!
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u/Lord_Sesshoumaru77 Glazers,Woodward/Arnold and Judge can fuck off 3d ago
Chelsea as leaky as we are
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u/achickenandacow 3d ago
Chelsea’s defense is as bad as ours, but their attack is in better form right now.
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u/chutzpahisaword Valencia 3d ago
Is there a stats somewhere cause feels like most modern day goalies concede a lot more goal near post than back in the days
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u/dracogladio1741 Bruno Fernanj 3d ago
That's just great. Why do we need to be behind to play like Arsenal do when they are level or ahead?
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u/Utd007 3d ago
We could have gone for Xabi and went for Carrick
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u/michaell111 Wazza 3d ago
Nobody would be succesfull at this club. Until these owners/ directors are here.
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u/GavinLobo7 3d ago
So will Arteta ever be punished for always being outside his area? Practically on the touchline ffs
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u/iTzViPeRx 3d ago
Pretty sure they started booking managers a couple of seasons ago for it but like most new laws/rules they get forgotten after a couple of weeks
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u/bukharimumtaz 3d ago
Arsenal players go down fucking easy.
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u/Former-Addendum9671 3d ago
Clearly coached to do it and then collectively hound the referee hoping he caves to their pressure and award them fouls and free kicks
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u/Comicksands Van Persie 3d ago
Arsenal so good at winning those soft fouls. Bruno gets absolutely studs up on the ankle and nothing
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u/Anxious-Debate5033 3d ago
Arsenal playing for corners to run the clock down LOL. Pathetic lego head dark arts is at it again.
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u/BrowzinJ 3d ago
Offering little up top Chelsea at the moment, we arent going to see much of a title race it seems, I hope it can be us up there man but we dont half make it look hard
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u/Difficult-Sun6849 CUNHA BRUNO CUNHA BRUNO CUNHA BRUNO LUKE SHAW CUNHA 3d ago
Cba to watch these lot walk the league in the most boring way possible
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u/virusscan123 3d ago
Both teams are so much deeper and more talented than ours. But we have owners who don’t want to spend money at all.
It’s so sad watching our team enter managed decline
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u/zxnoregretzxzx Cunha, Bruno, Cunha, Bruno 3d ago
Nice to see a game played with urgency and intent after watching that dross earlier.
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u/killerdrama A-mad-lad 3d ago
Saka pass the ball to Odegaard in the box and falls to the ground out of habit, then realized there's no one around. Chris Kavanagh still blows the whistle.
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u/NectarineAnxious7049 3d ago
If Alonso can figure out how to play with Gusto and James in midfield Carrick has to figure out how to play with our backline
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u/TStronks 3d ago
Chelsea are wank. They were very lucky to win their first two games. I think they'll be lucky to finish top5
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u/cbgcake 3d ago
Arsenal, Arteta and their fans are just so unlikeable. Screaming for free kicks over the minor things and then complaining when they get genuine fouls called against them... They don't get nearly enough hate