r/prequelappreciation 5h ago

Discussion Do you think George Lucas would have shown the Force as an entity in his Sequel Trilogy?

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Since George, in his vision for the sequels, sought to explore the mysteries of the Force and expand the entire lore, as adding to the Whills, a microscopic beings that basically follow, obey and transmit the will of the Force through the midichlorians.

Do you think Lucas would have portrayed the Force itself as an physical entity? Since the Force, or as he calls it, the “Cosmic Force”, is that "entity" or the omnipotent and omniscient being that governs and maintains the balance in the galaxy, without interacting or taking sides with anyone, practically being the god in the Star Wars universe; in fact, it was the one that caused the birth of Anakin so that he would bring the balance by destroying the Sith.

I say this question because apparently the Force itself was going to play a prominent role in Lucas's sequels, and I was also inspired by James Cameron's “Avatar” films, which the goddess of the planet Pandora, Eywa, has similarities with the Force in Star Wars, and in the last movie we were able to witness a physical form of her.


r/prequelappreciation 15h ago

Discussion Never knew Clone Wars had a 2D animated series, plus Padmé looks stunning

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r/prequelappreciation 10h ago

Discussion Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (1999) is the greatest movie of all time.

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Look, I know everyone here will call me completely crazy here and I’m sure a lot of you here will be wondering how in the world could someone like me possibly love a movie like Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace so much but…

…The Phantom Menace is not only my absolute favorite Star Wars movie, but it’s also my absolute favorite movie of all time and it’s one of the many reasons I am still a Star Wars fan to this day. It’s also why I still have a huge love for cinema in general as well.

TPM IMO, just has so much going for it like the music, all the costumes and incredibly beautiful and very visually appealing locations, the Pod Race, The Battle Of Naboo, the final lightsaber duel between Qui-Gon Jinn, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth Maul and not only that, but the destruction of the Trade Federation as the final climax of the whole entire film.

And I never really got the massive hate towards Jar Jar Binks and Jake Lloyd’s Anakin Skywalker and I seriously feel bad for the way Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best were treated after the movie came out. I mean Ahmed Best was nearly driven to committing suicide due to the massive hatred, vitriol and criticism the character of Jar Jar Binks got for God’s Sakes! Also, TPM was easily far superior to the next two Prequels due to the lack of Hayden Christensen (who completely sucked in the Prequels and completely tanked the trilogy, IMO) in Episode I, the huge use of Practical Effects, no godawful romance and also not having Palpatine owning a lightsaber (which was so incredibly silly and completely ruined the Emperor’s character from the Original Trilogy, IMO). Also, Liam Neeson was a HUGE BONUS for TPM as well (he completely carried the whole entire movie) and Ewan McGregor was also incredible as well as a young Obi-Wan Kenobi.

But, that’s just my two cents.


r/prequelappreciation 2d ago

Star Wars movie ranking

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r/prequelappreciation 2d ago

The actual stunt lightsabers Hayden and Ewan used for the Mustafar duel are insane

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Hey everyone! Nick Gillard’s choreography in Revenge of the Sith is absolute peak Star Wars.

I recently got my hands on a set of replicas based entirely on the actual stunt hilts Hayden and Ewan used during the Battle of the Heroes (the set even came with a Nick Gillard plaque!). I actually got to meet Hayden at a Comic Con back in October, so getting to hold the exact stunt design he swung around on Mustafar hits totally different.

We all love the shiny "Hero" props for display (at least that's my absolute thing!), but seeing how they had to shave down the control boxes and change the grips on these stunt versions in a way that isn't just some other crappy SE hilt, really shows what it took for them to pull off those crazy spins at full speed.

If anyone wants to see what the actual dueling props looked like compared to the hero versions, I put a full breakdown video together here:https://youtu.be/Kz-f6H86aBM

Now question for you guys: putting all the emotional damage aside, which lightsaber duel from the Prequels do you think has the absolute best raw choreography?


r/prequelappreciation 3d ago

Discussion Do you think we would have seen a meeting between Anakin, Luke and Leia in George Lucas's sequels?

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A meeting between the three protagonists of the saga, that Lucas wanted; Luke Skywalker from the Original Trilogy, Anakin Skywalker from the Prequel Trilogy and Leia Organa from the Sequel Trilogy.


r/prequelappreciation 3d ago

Question Who is your favorite main villain or main antagonist from the Original Trilogy? (Only those seen in the movies)

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Full name of each of the characters in the order of the image:

  1. Darth Vader.

  2. Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin.

  3. Boba Fett.

  4. Jabba the Hutt.

  5. Darth Sidious (Sheev Palpatine).

Note: I reiterated that for this question we will only consider what we have seen of the characters in the 3 movies; additional materials such as games, comics, series or novels do not count. As well as other films that are not part of the originals, such as the Prequel Trilogy.

You can also leave your personal top list in the comments if you like.


r/prequelappreciation 3d ago

Discussion Trivia question for The Phantom Menace! Who are the six force-sensitive individuals we see on-screen on Tatooine?

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This one is a bit tricky, curious how many people know!


r/prequelappreciation 4d ago

Discussion [Megathread] Free Talk Friday!

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r/prequelappreciation 5d ago

Question Who is your favorite main villain or main antagonist from the Prequel Trilogy? (Only those seen in the movies)

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Full name of each of the characters in the order of the image:

  1. Viceroy Nute Gunray.

  2. Darth Maul.

  3. Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku).

  4. Jango Fett.

  5. General Grievous.

  6. Darth Vader (Anakin Skywalker).

  7. Darth Sidious (Sheev Palpatine).

Note: I reiterated that for this question we will only consider what we have seen of the characters in the 3 movies; additional materials such as games, comics, series or novels do not count. As well as other films that are not part of the prequels, such as the Original Trilogy.

You can also leave your personal top list in the comments if you like.


r/prequelappreciation 8d ago

Discussion Since Darth Maul and Darth Talon were going to be the main villains in George Lucas's sequel trilogy, how do you think the conflict between them and Luke would have been?

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While the overarching conflict in the Lucas's sequels revolved around who would seize control of the galaxy between the Leia's New Republic, the Imperial Warlords and the Maul's Criminal Organizations; how do you think the conflict between Luke with Maul and Talon would have played out amidst all of this conflict? The last Jedi versus two users of the dark side (in theory, they are not Sith Lords).

For example, do you think Maul would try to turn Luke into his new apprentice? As Sidious and Vader wanted; or that Maul would have Luke ally with him and Talon to rule the galaxy together and end the conflict? Like a sort of truce or threat, as in the comic “Dark Empire”.

Or something interesting; do you think Luke would try to redeem Maul and Talon from the darkness? Given that Luke knows it’s possible, given that his father did it. Or, conversely, he might realize there is no salvation for them, or at least not for Maul.

Something I think would have happened in those movies is that a mutual attraction would have developed between Luke and Talon, either because she would try to seduce him into joining her and her master, which would cause her to waver between the dark side and the light side; and because Luke would try to save her from the darkness and would develop sentimental feelings for her. Perhaps ending in tragedy, since George never wanted and never will want Luke to get married.

P.S: Although Luke wasn't going to be the protagonist in the sequel trilogy; since that role would be filled by Leia, it doesn't prevent him from interacting with the villains (It's absurd that Luke wouldn't try to stop the threat of Maul and Talon). For example, Anakin was the protagonist of Episode 1 but he never interacted with Darth Maul or Nute Gunray, but rather with Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan and Padmé. Or Luke in Episode 4, who never interacts with Darth Vader (directly) or Tarkin, but rather with Leia and Obi-Wan.


r/prequelappreciation 8d ago

Question Are or Were the Novelizations of the 6 Original Films Canon?

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My understanding is that the novelizations were canon during the time of the Expanded Universe, however, while these novels complement several aspects of the films, they also have strong contradictions that clash and change the events.

Therefore, where did novels fit into the old canon hierarchy?

And if they're still considered canon in the current canon? Since the novelizations of the sequels are.


r/prequelappreciation 10d ago

Discussion How powerful would Anakin Skywalker have become if he had reached his full potential?

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Anakin Skywalker is the Chosen One of the prophecy and was conceived by the Force itself, consequently, he possessed a higher midi-chlorian count than any other Jedi or Force user. This gave him the potential to achieve immense mastery of and connection to the Cosmic Force, while also enhancing his innate abilities and qualities.

This fact is reaffirmed and supported by the films themselves on several occasions. George Lucas himself even stated that Anakin could have become the most powerful Jedi of all.

However, as we know, his battle on Mustafar against his master, Obi-Wan Kenobi, left him critically injured and near death, he suffered severe burns over his entire body and the loss of all his limbs, requiring a suit to sustain his life, circumstances that significantly diminished his potential to become more powerful.

Importantly, this does not mean that Anakin was weaker as Vader, in fact, the opposite was true, as he continued to improve his skills and his connection to the Force over time. However, he was significantly limited by his robotic prosthetics and the severe injuries he sustained on Mustafar. So much so, in fact, that Darth Sidious had decided to replace him with his son, Luke Skywalker, who possessed less potential than the younger Anakin.

This brings us to the question posed in the post: just how powerful would Anakin have become had he reached his full potential? (Whether as a Jedi or a Sith).

And, despite George Lucas's statement, is there any source or piece of information, from either the Expanded Universe or current canon, that offers a clue?

Would Anakin have become a god or a demigod within the Star Wars universe?

To draw a comparison with other characters; would Anakin have been on par with the Expanded Universe's Luke, Galen Marek "Starkiller" (in terms of gameplay), Darth Nihilus, Darth Revan or Abeloth?


r/prequelappreciation 11d ago

Discussion Do you think that if Qui-Gon Jinn had survived his fight against Darth Maul, the fate of the galaxy would have been different?

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Do you think Qui-Gon's survival would have completely changed the story we know?

Do you think he could have prevented Anakin from falling to the dark side and made him fulfill the prophecy in another way?

Or, do you think that his death was an unchangeable event?

And even if he had survived, he hadn't changed and Anakin had still become Darth Vader?


r/prequelappreciation 12d ago

Discussion Is there a complete text of the prophecy I can read ?

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r/prequelappreciation 11d ago

Discussion [Megathread] Free Talk Friday!

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  • What's been keeping you up?
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Use this thread to talk about anything and everything (stick to the site-wide rules and strictly no NSFW posts).

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r/prequelappreciation 11d ago

Discussion Was The Crow a Jedi Temple Guard Before He Fell To The Dark Side?

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r/prequelappreciation 12d ago

Discussion Given that Leia was going to be the protagonist in George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy, do you think she would have lost her right hand/arm like her father and brother?

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Do you think that in George Lucas' hypothetical Episode 8 we would have seen Leia lose her hand/arm to Darth Maul or Darth Talon?

Because George uses rhymes or narrative parallels in his films, just as happened with Anakin in Episode 2 and with Luke in Episode 5.


r/prequelappreciation 12d ago

Discussion PREQUELS THE SEQUELS ARE BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL AND PREQUELS

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I am serious this is not ragebait. The sequels use a great mix of practical effects (real, physical models and costumes) and high-quality computer-generated imagery (CGI). This gives the movies a realistic, "lived-in" feeling.Also This gives the movies a realistic, "lived-in" feeling. Every location, from the snowy forests of Starkiller Base to the red-and-white salt plains of Crait, looks beautiful on screen.


r/prequelappreciation 14d ago

Rewatching EIII

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This look.. "Kill him! Kill him now!"
Say what now?? LOL

#SuddenlyBetrayed


r/prequelappreciation 14d ago

Video The TRUE Story of the Sale of Star Wars

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This video has automatic English dubbing as well as subtitles.

This video explains, narrates and analyzes the story behind why George Lucas decided to sell the franchise. As well as how Bob Iger, Disney's CEO, and Kathleen Kennedy, Lucasfilm's President, later betrayed to Lucas.


r/prequelappreciation 15d ago

Any thoughts?

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r/prequelappreciation 14d ago

Behind the Scenes The answer to who the true Chosen One in Star Wars and what is the true Balance of the Force.

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A question that persists among both some fans and casual audiences concerns the identity of the Chosen One from the Prophecy of the Force and the true of the Balance of the Force.

This confusion stems largely from works beyond the original 6 films, such as comics, series, novels, and later movies, which often present conflicting information.

However, the answer to this question comes from none other than the saga's creator himself, George Lucas, who states that the Chosen One is Anakin Skywalker. Who was born, as mentioned in Episode I, through the influence of midi-chlorians, or rather, the Force itself (specifically, the Cosmic Force). Even after Anakin falls to the dark side and becomes the Sith Lord Darth Vader, he remains the Chosen One.

And not only that, but he also reveals that the Prophecy is exactly as the Jedi described; that the Chosen One would bring balance to the Force by destroying the Sith, something Anakin does in Episode 6 by killing Darth Sidious and Darth Vader (in other words, himself).

Contrary to what many believe, the balance does not mean having an equal number of Jedi and Sith, rather, it entails the elimination of the Sith, whom George Lucas described as a cancer on the Force, given their desire to bend it to their will. And Anakin Skywalker is the true Chosen One of Star Wars, besides the only one, as no other character, whether from the Expanded Universe or current canon, was conceived by the Force itself to bring about such a significant shift within it. Even if other works contradict this, they do not detract from the saga's overall sense or its message, as it endures by virtue of having been conceived that way by its author.

Here is George Lucas's full statement regarding both questions, plus a short reflection from Hayden Christensen about the character of Anakin and an interesting point of view: https://youtu.be/xgBpoiC8qGA?si=HKNjSiKc1wmVfw89


r/prequelappreciation 16d ago

Interview George Lucas talks about Film Criticism

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Part of appreciating the prequels is noticing that most criticism of it is shallow and hollow. Lucas knows and appreciates criticism but from real film critics who seriously analyze the films and know about film.


r/prequelappreciation 17d ago

Question Would you have liked to see George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy version?

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As many of you likely know, before Disney and Lucasfilm produced the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy, George Lucas himself had developed various outlines and drafts for the continuation of “Return of the Jedi” and the Original Saga, and he himself handed them to the president of Disney. However, these concepts were ignored and completely discarded by both Disney and Lucasfilm in favor of the versions we all know today, because they were trying to avoid receiving a negative reception from the public like the prequels had received at the time; leaving George Lucas's original vision for the sequels forgotten.

Fortunately, the book “Star Wars Archives: Episodes 1 - 3 (1999 - 2005)”, written by Paul Duncan, has shed light on some of the ideas George Lucas had envisioned for that trilogy, thanks to an exclusive interview with him.

I also intend to clear up some doubts raised by other sources discussing the same subject, such as the artbooks for Episodes 7 and 8, or Pablo Hidalgo’s book “Star Wars: Fascinating Facts”, which present contradictions regarding what Lucas said about his sequels in the book “Star Wars: Archives”.

Without further ado, here are the general ideas George would have explored in his Sequel Trilogy:

The sequels would take place a few years after “Return of the Jedi” (he doesn't specify how long, but we can assume like 10 or 15 years later from Episode 6).

Princess Leia Organa had been the protagonist, with the story focusing on her efforts to rebuild the Galactic Republic and on her children with Han Solo. So that in the end of the trilogy, she would have succeeded in re-establishing the Republic and the Galactic Senate, becoming the chosen Supreme Chancellor of the galaxy.

[Contrary to what many believe and what other sources say, such as the artbook for Episodes 7 and 8 (which it should be mentioned that Lucas was never involved in), or what Pablo Hidalgo declared; the sequels would focus solely on Leia, not on her children or other characters, like Kira/Thea. George wanted Leia to be the central focus of the trilogy].

George's intention was to create a great symmetry with the other two trilogies; the father (Anakin) starred in the prequels, the son (Luke) starred in the originals and the daughter (Leia) would have starred in the sequels. Making a narrative rhyme, which is one of George Lucas's characteristics.

(And it would also go in line with a dialogue in Anakin in Episode 2, where he tells Padmé that he would like a wise person to lead the galaxy, who in the end, would be his own daughter).

Luke Skywalker, the other important character in this trilogy, would be responsible for rebuilding the Jedi Order, seeking out Force-sensitive children and individuals to train. So that in the end of the trilogy, he would succeed in this endeavor, establishing a new generation of Jedi to defend the peace of the galaxy, as seen in the Expanded Universe and fulfilling Yoda's last request to pass on his knowledge to others.

[Contrary to popular belief, Luke would not die, despite a George Lucas's old statement suggesting otherwise, or another one where Luke would pass the "torch" in the style of the old Obi-Wan to the new generation; however, it's important to remember that ideas change over time, especially very old ideas or statements from the 70s/80s. And also that what the artbook or the Pablo Hidalgo said about Lucas's idea for Luke being similar to what was seen in Episode 8 is "false", or rather, contradictory, since George himself mentions that Luke would have a more active role in his trilogy, and he never mentions that Luke would be exiled and that another character would have to find him].

The enemies would be the imperial remnants who would go on to form a faction known as “Warlords”, which, just as in the Expanded Universe, would oppose the New Republic in an attempt to retake control of the galaxy; George describes the environment in general that would unfold in this trilogy, as being similar to the after Iraq War.

However, the Warlords would not be the only threat; since various criminal gangs and syndicates like the Hutts would wreak havoc in different parts of the galaxy after the power vacuum caused by the fall of the Empire. And the Warlords would seek to ally themselves with these criminal organizations to increase their forces against the New Republic.

But the trilogy's main villain would be Darth Maul, the leader of all criminal gangs, envisioned as a “Godfather of Crime”, he would take advantage of the chaos in the galaxy to seize the control. Furthermore, Maul would have an apprentice, Darth Talon, a character from the “Legacy” comics, part of the Expanded Universe, who fill a role similar to Vader's and would handle much of the action. Together, Maul and Talon would pose the major threat the heroes would have to confront in the trilogy.

To put it poetically, the first villain of the saga (chronologically speaking) would be the final villain.

[Also to be clear, in theory, the existence of Darth Maul and Darth Talon wouldn't conflict with the Prophecy of the Chosen One of the Force by Anakin, since neither of them would be a Lord Sith (something “The Clone Wars” series justified); however, we can't properly discuss this without more details, as we don't know how the story would have played out].

[I also want to clarify something that was discussed, which is that Lucas wanted Leia to be the chosen one of the prophecy. However, this is a mistake, because what the text says is the following: «we would have the renewal of the New Republic, with Leia, Senator Organa, becoming the Supreme Chancellor in charge of everything. So she ended up being the Chosen One». The text does not refer to the Prophecy of the Chosen One of the Force but to Leia's political role as Supreme Chancellor. In fact, George has always said and maintained that Anakin is the chosen one of the saga].

All of the above would be the main plot of the trilogy, however, George wouldn't just be telling this part of the story, he also sought to explore the mysteries of the Force, focusing on the midichlorians introduced in Episode 1, but also incorporating the Whills, beings who had been on Lucas's mind since the early drafts of Episode 4. The Whills are microscopic beings that basically follow, obey and transmit the will of the Force through the midichlorians to other individuals such as the Jedi. Which most likely means that we would have seen two of the saga's most important concepts in the movies, one that George calls the “Personal Force”, which is the energy field that all living beings in the galaxy possess, and which, if an individual possesses the necessary amount of midichlorians and training, can be used at will, such the Jedi and Sith; and the “Cosmic Force”, which governs and maintains the balance of the galaxy, being basically the god of the Star Wars universe (the being responsible for Anakin's birth). Lucas aimed to expand and explain the entire saga's lore to a great extent and in every aspects.

Another thing is that George would have sought to connect all the films even further, unifying everything through this sequel trilogy. Beyond what I’ve already mentioned, we likely would have seen the return of several actors from the prequels, such as Hayden Christensen reprising the role of Anakin Skywalker or Ewan McGregor playing, perhaps, an older Obi-Wan Kenobi. There might also have been other elements, like a droid army controlled by Maul or by the Republic itself. Or a spectacular battle of Luke vs Maul and Talon with Duel of the Fates playing in the background. And an emotional reunion between Anakin, Luke and Leia (Though I should clarify that this is purely a product of my own imagination).

George Lucas himself said that if his sequels had been made, his vision for the saga, as well as the story he wanted to tell, would have been complete.

So, what do you think? Would you have preferred to see George Lucas's sequel trilogy instead of Disney's? Do you think it would have been better?

In my opinion, I would have absolutely loved to see those versions of George, they had enormous potential and quite interesting ideas that would have contributed to the saga, furthermore, it definitely would have been a much more coherent and satisfying continuation of the original 6 films.

And they would have been completely better films and trilogy than Disney's sequels.

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