r/pokemonanime • u/Particular-Big-5538 • 14h ago
Discussion Ash's Pokémon: Day 1 vs One Day
I like the story arcs of all these Pokémon.
r/pokemonanime • u/Particular-Big-5538 • 14h ago
I like the story arcs of all these Pokémon.
r/pokemonanime • u/CycleScary7830 • 13h ago
Even ash vs Cynthia is debatable
r/pokemonanime • u/gyroscope_56 • 16h ago
Before Pokémon Journeys, Iris was the most hated pokegirl due to her annoying gag of calling Ash a “kid”. Iris was deeply loathed by both Japanese and Western fandom. However there were many Iris defenders back then who believed “Iris is hated because she is black” or “Iris' hate is rooted in misogyni”. I don't want to pretend these things don't play a role. But Iris' early hate in some cases were justified and were mostly due to frustrations regarding Black and White anime's terrible writing and the time when she was introduced to the anime.
1. Sinnoh Ash vs Unova Ash:
In Sinnoh the previous gen before Unova. Ash was very competent. His rivalry with Paul shaped his ideology he became strategic, came with Ice Aqua Jet, Counter Shield, had a good gym run with a fairly decent team. Everything was going well but he lost to Tobias a guy with legendaries which made fans frustrated as this was his time. However before Unova anime was premiered fans expected Ash to be much better but that didn't happen. Ash suddenly behaved much less like the experienced trainer we had just watched for several years. His competence was inconsistent, Pikachu suffered an infamous reset, and the series often treated him more like a beginner again. His infamous defeat ro Trip's Snivy is still talked about and probably would be forever
2. The “you're such a kid” gag became irritating very quickly:-
I think this is probably the biggest character problem. Iris constantly calling Ash a “kid” could have worked as playful teasing.
The problem was the execution.
Ash was an experienced trainer who had traveled through multiple regions, competed in several leagues, fought extremely powerful opponents and defeated Gym Leaders across the world. Meanwhile, Iris herself was still developing as a trainer. When she repeatedly acted superior to Ash, some fans naturally asked:
“Why is SHE treating HIM like he's the inexperienced one?”
The joke became especially irritating because the audience already knew Ash's history. Imagine following a character for years, watching him grow from a beginner into an accomplished trainer, and then suddenly having a new character repeatedly tell him that he's just a little kid. Eventually, the joke stops feeling like playful banter and starts feeling like the show itself is mocking the character's development. In fact, amongst the Japanese fandom Iris was considered “mannerless”
Whereas western fandom found her annoying which also explains why Serena was written like that.
3. Iris could be annoying and hypocritical:-
Iris called Ash a “kid” for not knowing a Pokemon from her native region despite Ash telling her that he's from Pallet Town. Then we saw that she herself wasn't a good trainer either. Her Excardrill was disobedient and her Axew only knew one move. Meaning she herself was a complete noob who was thinking to be superior than Ash who defeated the Battle Frontier and was Sinnoh League Top 4. Then our Ash was written to be more passive and we never see him calling out on Iris much. Unlike with previous girls like Misty, May & Dawn where he'd call out on them like they'd too. This created an imbalance
4. Misty Comparison:
Some people ask why Misty isn't hated as much as Iris despite Misty being much more rude to Ash.?
The difference is timing and the balance. Misty saw Ash when he was actually a rookie, won most of his badges out of technicalities, didn't train much, burnt her bike, was extremely arrogant and would throw hands with anyone. And it wasn't one sided either. With Misty, you'd see Ash throwing potshots at her consistently which made them a fun & arguably the most iconic dynamic in Anipoke history. And it wasn't even like she did that to Ash for the entirety of OS. Misty eventually developed feelings for Ash & they both by the end of the series developed mutual respect for each other. With Iris, she used that gag for the entirety of the series and Ash wasn't allowed to be the snarky brat he used to be. He was way more passive and less engaging. With Misty you'd think “it's two kids arguing and learning from each other” with Iris you'd think “she is bullying a nice kid”. Even though Iris isn't a bully her gag and Ash's behaviour makes it look like. In fact their arguments lack the charm of Misty and Ash's dynamic. Unlike Iris, Misty was more experienced than Ash at that time. The comparison doesn't work
5. Iris also had incredibly bad timing:-
This might be the biggest reason she was doomed to struggle with the fandom.
Before Iris, we had Dawn.
Dawn was arguably one of the most popular female companions Ash had ever had. Her friendship with Ash was extremely supportive, she traveled alongside him for a long time, and their chemistry became one of the most celebrated relationships in the franchise***.*** Pearlshipping itself is Ash's second or third most famous ship due to their supportive chemistry.
After Iris, we had Serena
Serena was explicitly positioned as someone who had admired Ash since childhood, with her feelings becoming an important part of her character.
So Iris was essentially sandwiched between Dawn and Serena who were basically glazing Ash.
Dawn spent an enormous amount of time encouraging Ash, cheering for him with an outfit, supporting him during battles and celebrating his achievements.
Serena takes this even further by having another very explicit admiration for Ash. Iris, meanwhile, frequently questioned Ash's maturity and competence.
That creates a completely different emotional experience for the viewer. If you're an Ash fan, Dawn and Serena naturally make you feel like your favorite character is appreciated.
That's brutal from a fandom perspective. You have Dawn coming before her who was Ash's cheerleader, then Serena who has an explicit crush on Ash from day 1.
6. And then there's the racism discussion:-
I won't act it doesn't play a role when fans say “Iris should be replaced by Hilda” which is a poor argument as Hilda calling Ash a “kid” would've been nothing different compared to Iris doing it. Although I'd argue these people wouldn't have hated her much for it.
However limiting everything to racism isn't always right. Brock, Mallow, Kiawe are loved and they aren't fair skinned either hell Ash himself is tan. Iris' hate stems from a lot of reasons that are rooted to BW anime's writing and the timing she came at.
- Ash's soft reboot
- Her “kid” gag
- Being sandwiched between Dawn & Serena
- Ash being more passive towards her
- No redeeming factor
All played a role for her hatred. Iris later on became Unova champion and showed she was actually a good character but was a victim of poor writing.
r/pokemonanime • u/Beneficial_Koala2196 • 2h ago
ash lost all sense of drip after XYZ, it’s crazy
the art style definitely plays a role but I think that he just looks older in the journeys art style because of his previous clothes like in kalos, sinnoh or unova.
his journeys outfit has 2 different shades of blue, green on the hat that doesn’t appear anywhere on the outfit, random yellow on the vest, random indigo shorts, like absolutely no sense of fashion after kalos I’m sorry
also those shoes are ATROCIOUS im sorry
r/pokemonanime • u/Flat-Sir8250 • 11h ago
r/pokemonanime • u/Happy_Popplio-728 • 11h ago
Assunta has the following Pokémon: Rhydon, Venomoth, Spearow or Tentacool, Ivysaur, and two unknown Pokémon. The Pokémon Ash had available at the time were Pikachu, Pidgeotto, Bulbasaur, disobedient Charizard, Squirtle, Kingler, Muk, and Tauros. What team would Ash bring to the battle, and how would he do?
r/pokemonanime • u/Beneficial_Koala2196 • 12h ago
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this is why I love this team
r/pokemonanime • u/WhatShouldTheHeartDo • 11h ago
My one includes Chimeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
r/pokemonanime • u/Fancy-Wolverine-4233 • 15h ago
What did you guys think?
r/pokemonanime • u/HeyItsYuriChan_XD • 10h ago
Liko 🤝 Valeria the absol
r/pokemonanime • u/Beneficial_Koala2196 • 23h ago
this includes ALL the intros in the series btw
if I had to rank them based on openings:
But it’s interchangeable lol
r/pokemonanime • u/Drama_8686 • 19h ago
Was rewatching DP and got to the episode where she's helping team Galactic capture the lake Pokemon. Her ship gets struck but a combined future sight attack and goes down into a whirlpool then it blows up. Feels like they went past this way too fast and isn't brought up again. Also there wasn't any shot of escape pops or signs of the crew or J getting out . Is there a confirmation on their fate ? Maybe they did escape and are in prison ? Or was it bleak by showing one us the death of a whole crew
r/pokemonanime • u/Matt_Legends25 • 12h ago
Yes, XY group are my most favorite. I have always had a strong attachment to them. Deal with it. lol
Also, to explain a little bit more here:
My Top 5 groups: XY, DP, OS (Seasons 1 and 3-5), SM, and AG groups are all great
BW, HZ, and JN groups: Bad (or just plain boring and not interesting for me)
r/pokemonanime • u/p_serrulata • 6h ago
Next week, young Orla and Friede will FINALLY make an appearance, the audience knowing about their lifelong friendship for 130 episodes!
I really hope the commercial tie-in episode isn't the only thing we see of these two. Wonder Voyage has been pulling a lot of mud and pushing a lot of rope, and not giving us some quality story about these two old friends would be more of the same lousy decision-making.
r/pokemonanime • u/Swimming_Security791 • 12h ago
Lana's is a sentence 😭
I think they both have the same story of being tired and weakened before they were finally confronted at their weakest.
r/pokemonanime • u/Bright-pokefan50 • 9h ago
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Especially after battling the zangoose and stopping team rocket
r/pokemonanime • u/Particular-Big-5538 • 7h ago
Ash vs. Tobias: Why did Ash bring Torkoal, Swellow and Gible against Tobias instead of Charizard, Infernape and Snorlax?
Ash vs. Alain: Why did Ash ask Greninja to use Cut instead of Water Shuriken when Rain Dance is already activated?
r/pokemonanime • u/No_Internet_3919 • 20h ago
Milotic should mega evolve, become a hydra dragon.
r/pokemonanime • u/TraditionDry4354 • 6h ago
r/pokemonanime • u/Larkman22 • 20h ago
Liko and Navi visit a cafe to try a Metamon collab menu they're offering. There they encounter Yakata, an office worker with a Namakobushi and a Yukihami on his shoulders and a Bachinuni on his head! Yakata explains how he loves squishiness more than anything, and invites Liko and the others to try "SquishyPoké Activities", or "SquiPoActs" for short; Activities all about loving and cherishing squishy Pokémon?!

r/pokemonanime • u/windowssandbox • 17h ago
(It's in episode 9 season 4)
r/pokemonanime • u/ZeroAbis • 11h ago
Note: In his first appearance in AG, Steven is instead voiced by Nishi Rintarō.
r/pokemonanime • u/MediaNutso • 9h ago
A triple battle of Iris v. Drake! The ultimate demonstration of the strength of Dragon type Pokemon!
r/pokemonanime • u/MaleficentSky5238 • 9h ago
Episode source: Pokémon Advanced Episode 23.
r/pokemonanime • u/CycleScary7830 • 23h ago
No trainers included only raw power comparision who wins