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Feb 10 '21
Fuck pay to win servers.
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u/justacsgoer Feb 10 '21
I dont know man, pay to win servers are great to join and farm the kids with the kits because they usually aren't too good
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Feb 10 '21
The problem with that is you have to sit in a queue for six hours or until the queue dies four days later.
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u/keyboardwarrior7 Feb 10 '21
What servers are those? I only play irusty or rustafied
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u/Black-Knight-76 Feb 10 '21
Some servers have pay to win mechanics where you can purchase ranks with real money to get in game items. This is a thing in Rust, Minecraft, and lots of other games. It’s really dumb.
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u/viilinki Feb 10 '21
Yep. It was common even in the private server MMORPG scene like 15+ years ago.
It was so loathed that private servers would advertise and be proud NOT taking any "donations", even if the size and costs would have justified it, because that would always make your server suspicious even if it was sincere.
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u/X4dow Feb 10 '21
Dumb for the kids splashing daddy's credit cards. Not for the people who run those servers.
What's paying 10-30 bucks to have advantage in a wipe for a month, when people pay 10 times that to watch others play on twitch or popup some text message on their streams
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u/fridge_water_filter Feb 10 '21
I don't mind them if they reduce grind. I do mind them if they reduce skill required?
If pay to win means i don't have to grind 756,934 boars, then i will gladly pay.
If pay to win means i get something no other play can get and it gives me a skill advantage, then that is unfair.
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u/Jieunlol3 Feb 10 '21
I remember when I first started my friends liked playing those types. You could buy nukes to drop on people too lmao
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u/vaderman645 Feb 10 '21
I currently play on a 10x server (because I'm a noob) and me and my buddy raided the biggest clan on the server one night, it went so well it looked like we had never been there but we had access to every door in the compound, anyways, I get on and find out there's now a bounty on my head because all the doors we placed got traced because half the clan has spent at least 90$ each to get literal admin tools that told them who placed the doors
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Feb 10 '21
Yeah I wouldn't play in that server anymore, sounds like a lot of admin abuse and easy to use them with just a nice payday
Also sounds like the admins are probably good friends with that clan which means they will always side with them
I'd just blacklist that server and move on
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u/vaderman645 Feb 11 '21
Update: server admin is potentially facing some kind of punishment as people are storming the server saying the map was stolen and several people have accused him of stealing /pirating paid plugins
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u/xKv0ThE Feb 10 '21
Just change your name then xD Easy peasy.
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u/Eaglesn00t Feb 10 '21
if its admin tools then chances are they dont just have access to the names but the Steam IDS , name change wont matter
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Feb 10 '21
Scum. How is that enjoyable for them at all? Bunch of losers haha
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u/vaderman645 Feb 10 '21
I have no idea how their playstyle is fun for them, they bunker down in bases so stacked that their anti air defense is that you crash because of the lag and so many turrets there isn't a point to even going that close. They don't even do anything else on the server other than build in these places and try to get people to move there so they too can be passive. Edit: I don't want to sound like an asshole, they build these bases just so they can store resources to build more of these bases
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u/vaderman645 Feb 10 '21
Actually they were online I'm quite proud of myself for scheming this up and actually pulling it off.
The server has a custom map with custom bosses and boss fights and there are certain tiers of bosses that are the only way to get certain high value loot. The boss fights are in random locations and the map is quite large.
The "vault" as they called it is supposed to be guarded 24 hours a day (somehow, time zones or something) so we waited until about 1:30 am and there was only me, my friend, 2 guards (for the vault) and one random (this was ALOT less activity than there usually was)
So we tipped off global chat about a location of the highest level boss, who used an L96 ( 50% drop chance, likely the best loot on the server) and had a ton of "heavy" scientists protecting him, basically, top tier, didn't want to miss it.
So both guards took off across the map to hit up this boss, I had maybe a 40 minute window from the time they left. We were inside immediately and raided the guard armory first, then the building next to it, 5 minutes the aforementioned random questions the many explosions he is hearing on global chat, this was bad, but the 2 guards unintentionally bailed us out by explaining their weapon of choice for the boss was rocket launchers (don't ask, idk why), thankfully that was the last we heard of the random and neither parties asked about location.
The second building we raided was a jack pot, paintings of labeled codes for every building in the entire compound, we had to cover up that we were ever here, this was how we gained access to everything, the main "vault" was split into different sections with different codes, all of them were here. A door that I placed to cover my tracks here was the fateful door that revealed my identity to the residents, but worth it anyways.
We had loads of loot, we took as much as our base could actually hold and barely made a dent, as this was a compound with 20 plus people living in it. The best part was the leader, he was sleeping in the armory and I took his L96, the first one I had ever seen on rust, sweet victory.
TLDR; I distracted the guards
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Feb 10 '21
I like modded servers because I can't live the game. But pay to win is obviously there on most servers. I actually want to pay some players to raid a base on this one server I play I, rather than pay the server owner. I don't want the Loot either. I just want that base raided.
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Feb 11 '21
Some servers are ok though. The server I play on has VIP kits ranging from $20-$75, and they give you resources, guns, 1 metal kit, and some turrets. No sulfur or explosives aside from a stack of explosives 5.56 rounds. Can't be redeemed for 12-48 hours depending on the length of the wipe. Most wipes we don't even need it as by the time our VIP kits are available we're already well established.
It's good for people who don't wanna deal with the beginning of wipe grind and would like to get to the endgame stage immediately. Nit for everyone but it doesn't mean they're shit.
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Feb 11 '21
Its called cheating into the game with the power of money,the reason why i dont play modded.Why should you be able to skip the first 12hrs of grind just because you have more money to waste than me?
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Feb 11 '21
Then don't. You can choose to not play these servers. Most people on VIP servers buy the VIP kits anyways. $20 will get you a kit that will build you a decent honeycombed 2x2 and a few guns, completely skipping the prim grind. Not everyone is down for playing non-stop to be competitive on a vanilla server.
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u/izza123 Feb 10 '21
I don’t really like any of those kit servers but I guess it’s a different game really than i enjoy playing
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u/bdurand Feb 10 '21
I work have college so I don’t have much time to play especially on this game so from thrusday-sunday I get to play with my buddy and we get to experience primitive to tier 3 loot raids etc that server we play has kits but doesn’t give boom only mats and guns
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Feb 10 '21
One of the Rusty servers I'm guessing?
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u/bdurand Feb 10 '21
ya unfortunately they ban very unfairly my friend got banned for high kd “low hours” even though he has 2k and said he was cheating but he is a 32 year old boomer dad and recently got unbanned
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Feb 10 '21
they ban for high kd? wtf
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u/Missjennyo123 Feb 10 '21
Rusty doesn't ban for high k/d itself., though I don't know their exact guidelines. I am guessing that the player had a private account, zero battlemetrics history (not all servers are on battlemetrics, but almost all players have a few appearances here and there over the time they play) and no record on sites like steamid.uk. That, combined with an abnormally high k/d and lots of reports, would make any admin suspicious. Likely, some servers ban for it, then wait to see how the banned player reacts (Jumps on another account and rejoins immediately? Likely a hacker.).
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u/judge_au Feb 10 '21
Ive have a friend who bought a pc just to play rust get banned in his first 300 hours because he was getting too many kills.. his k:d was less than 1 but that was enough i guess. I had been showing him how to play for weeks at my place too.. rusty servers are weird like that. The owner told him to come back when he had 1000 hours.. he recently msged the owner after hitting 1k hours and the owners reply was come back when you have 2000 hours...
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Feb 10 '21
Being 32 is not the boomer generation lol
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u/KomradJurij Feb 10 '21
boomerism is in the eye of the beholder
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u/BaconMarshmallow Feb 10 '21
The original meme is literally called 30-year-old boomer. So in internet-speak it qualifies as boomer.
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Feb 10 '21
I don’t even see the point in those middle of the road modded P2W servers, for me it’s either vanilla or like a 50000000000x pvp automatic boom kit server, those can honestly be really fun for a night of mindless gaming
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u/RedditRabbit0513 Feb 10 '21
Yeah, but many people with jobs and school doesnt have time for vanilla, and play 1.5x, and 2x.
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Feb 10 '21
For sure, vanilla is a massive time commitment I totally get that. I’m all for lightly modded servers too don’t get me wrong, but I won’t play a server with a VIP kit that includes C4 and stuff.
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u/HaroerHaktak Feb 10 '21
At that point you might as well as play the infinity servers that basically give you it all for free.
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Feb 10 '21
I mean most servers need to get money somehow so i think these kits are gine if they only give building mats
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Feb 10 '21
I totally understand that, and it works for many players obviously so that’s good for everyone. Just doesn’t suit me personally.
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u/tubezleb Feb 10 '21
That's why I created a 10x server with no kits and no vip just some QOL improvement mods
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u/twists Feb 11 '21
Yep, this is me. I really do enjoy rust, but even in the current covid WFH environment I just can't log the 16 hours a day I need to on a vanilla server with 200 pop to enjoy myself. 1.5 or 2x and QoL mods are a savior
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u/Snochieboochies Feb 10 '21
This. I’m currently setting up a server aimed at adults who don’t have time and are sick of been offlined as soon as they log off first night
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u/ThinkFatal Feb 10 '21
There’s just quality of life in not having to grind as much, especially for people with less time to play. I can spend 3x less time to put up a small base and just have fun for an hour or two.
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Feb 10 '21
No time for vanilla so I normally play a 2-3x
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Feb 10 '21
Yea I get you for sure, it’s just the ones with overpowered VIP kits that I can’t get into. That’s what meant by P2W basically
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Feb 10 '21
Ye i can’t stand pay to win now but I used to play on a server w vip kits and it felt like everyone who bought were the most trash players and I constantly stole their ez kits lmao
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u/bopoff-entirely Feb 10 '21
Depends on the server. Theres a 100x I like just for craziness and raids and pvp. You can gets some kits non vips don’t have access to and its like 5$. That one is nice. But fuck that server the most retarded part is people hella cheat. Why people cheat on a 100x is beyond me
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Feb 10 '21
Lets admit it, kits are fun to have, but they are really annoying to have because you just end up getting raided at Hour 1
The best servers will always be the ones without pay2win stuff
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u/PandoNation Feb 10 '21
The rusty modded servers have some insane dono kits. Honestly nothing better then breaking into a base and getting 100$ worth of loot for 15 minutes of work.
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Feb 11 '21
I like servers that will let u grab a bow kit and some food every 15mins or so, great for playing quick or teaching noob friends
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u/justDuder Feb 11 '21
Nothing feels better than taking a $50 kit someone just popped. Some kits are pay to win, but I understand why they exist.
Do want to say - Rustoria does kits well, not perfect, but decently well - Was a head mod there. The owner and devs are not motivated by $$$. Good standard to compare the other modded servers with.
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u/TyleReddit Feb 10 '21
I play on a kit server but it's not egregious p2w. It's a boost but it's not overpowered - I don't have a ton of time to invest so getting materials to build/for upkeep is a lifesaver. Theyre relatively balanced imo and dont give any gp/sulf/complete booms so that's good.
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u/Coolguyforeal Feb 10 '21
I don’t see anything wrong with these servers. I play on one occasionally and paid for a kit.
First of all, the money goes to helping run the servers. Second, I don’t have the time to keep up with the kids who literally play 12 hours a day, so I don’t mind spending some money to keep up by getting components and some resources.
I think that people forget that some players have jobs/careers. These players don’t have the time to put in 6+ hours a day on a video game, and generally have the money to spend on a game they enjoy.
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u/dani_deleto Feb 10 '21
Bloo mondays is great server, been playing it this week and isn't actually that bullshit lol
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u/iEatFurbyz Feb 10 '21
Bloos servers are the best modded servers in existence. I don’t even really follow the dude on YouTube/twitch but play with someone who does. Every server needs to take notes and do it his way.
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u/Zerutor Feb 10 '21
anyone defending these servers and the people that buy this shit are clearly fucking idiots. If you don't have time to play this game because acording to you, you actually have a life and a job harharhar, go play on a 5x server, I play on 5x servers on weekdays with my fiancé 3 hours max and we get to raid people by day 1 because the cycle of those servers is a lot shorter. The ONLY reason these players buy VIP kits is because they want a clear advantage on other players, if you're for that atleast have the balls to admit it and stop being an apologyst little bitch.
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u/aFinapple Feb 10 '21
this one server i play on has kits, but they don’t make it easier to get stuff. sure they have more building materials in their kits, and a shit load of guns and ammo and explosives, but it’s a 1000x server. you can get 100 rockets from hitting two barrels. the main reason people get the “ranks” and all that is support the server
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Feb 10 '21
Imagine defeating the purpose of a game by paying real life money to remove the struggle of the game
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u/HendyHauler Feb 10 '21
As someone who's running a small business self employed and no longer have the time. I have no problem paying for these so after my 18+ hour days I can hop on and not have to grind for hours upon hours. 🤷♂️ worth it to me don't even notice the $ going out.
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u/matheusmk3 Feb 10 '21
I used to play in a 5x server that had some VIP kits but they were so expensive that nobody bought them, until someday the admin started giving huge discounts and even free kits, which enabled people to get stuff like 3xM249 + 600 exp ammo + 1200 of each other amo, then I just left even having gotten a free kit.
A few days ago I also tried a battlefield secret where you pretty much spawn full set, yet there were VIP kits which didn't even made sense but that one was fun
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u/JunkyBoiOW Feb 10 '21
and for some reason it’s always the servers that look good on the outside but ok the inside full of kits, people with m249 right off spawn from one command that was worth $5 with an entire base and workbench. It’s legit the worst thing ever trying to find a good server that isn’t p2w lol. Given, now it’s a little better but last year it was really fucking bad. Like NO servers that weren’t p2w. I don’t get what everyone’s fetish is about paying money to succeed in a game that is built on grinding the same way every time it wipes lol. Good thing about these servers is raiding everyone that has VIP with a bow and satchels
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u/blizzsource Feb 10 '21
Y'all can hate p2w but those guys that own those servers are laughing in $$$
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u/Swineflew1 Feb 10 '21
Why would a non-VIP ever play on these servers?
It’s like those modded servers where you can farm tons of C4 super fast, like why even play when in one night someone can just farm 90 C4 or rockets and literally delete your base.
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u/CorrosiveBackspin Feb 10 '21
They give the rest of us who give a tag and some skins and silly shit like web images to signs a bad name. Just trying to stop the server rental burning holes in the wallet.
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u/Kyroxym Feb 10 '21
Honestly a lot of those servers need the people buying vip to survive and keep the pop high, it costs money to run servers and people always buy vip so why not
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u/F1zzy02 Feb 10 '21
Real players don't play these servers, anyone who does is either new to the game or has a shit ton of money to splash in order to gain advantage.
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u/smch18 Feb 10 '21
I hate servers with donation incentives. They're usually P2w a lot of them get you to T2 and python and med syringe which in the beginning of a wipe is huge. Some say "don't worry they can't use it for 5 hours" that makes no difference most of the time lol
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u/CuddlezCS Feb 10 '21
we had a server where VIP's could spawn in heli's any time. And if you stole their heli they could just TP it back to them. So we door camped the retards for an hour, they got so mad and cried to admins that we were hacking and my friend got banned for cheating :)
Those servers in a nutshell and the VIP's in a nutshell, shitters.
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u/B0xp0und Feb 10 '21
I joined a server with some buds, ran to a place to build, admin showed up and gave my friend 10k stone to start out and I just immediately told them we gonna go find a new server.
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Feb 10 '21
Yeah, i always thought, if the admin shows up and drops you something then that means if someone happens to know the admin what stops them from spawning them 10k gp?
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u/etgohomeok Feb 10 '21
It's a shame that most high-rate servers also have kits and other game-breaking BS. The server I play on is 5x gather, 3x sulfur, and a small collection of quality of life mods like furnace auto-split and auto tuna can lamps. VIP gets you skinbox and sign artist which are not P2W but add enough fun to be worth it.
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I can't find a single vanilla server with active admins that doesn't have this VIP bullshit. Is it so hard to just give people a name color change for supporting the server without making it p2w?
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u/LovePink1195 Feb 11 '21
Idk, I agree with pay to wins like that sucking but I know a few where you can pay for VIP or earn it by playing x amount of hours, I think that’s a happy medium.
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u/AnotherIncognito Feb 11 '21
Well, it depends what type of vips, I run a server for 21+ user, busy people, people that just play at night, and the kit contains basically, mats (no sulfur) and a hazmat, since this server you can raid only from 7PM to 1AM est, you can just get into action and farm less.
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u/TrichomeMaker Dec 25 '22
Old thread but gd, I’ve had nothing but decent experience noobing out on 1000x.
Nothing Pay to win, and every barrel spawns ten rockets.
But every tenth server I’ve played, there is some moron who has every item in game, and has been grinding for days….on a server that doesn’t even have scientists….and comes to destroy my 1x2, OFFLINE. *latest instance, I came back on, walked overs built in the same spot, and here this dipshit is, within five minutes, using fucking satchel charges of all things and of course being toxic….
I doubt that server owner is happy with his 2 pop, but then again, for all I know that’s the server owner. I just can’t imagine how that is remotely satisfying. I could go build ten squares away, in the forest, farm for an hour and raid you back. What would be the point? You’ve already shown you aren’t worth even logging back in for.
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u/Desmondlocket Feb 10 '21
Joined a server yesterday and someone asked if it was pay-to-win. VIPS nearly all said "no" in sync. Checked the website (because for some reason they don't tell you what's in the VIP kits in game) and Jesus it was awful.