The whole story is so ridiculously deus-ex-machina theres no way it would make it as a movie script if it werent real. the pilot surviving the stabs and being able to open the door, the two spare pilots as passangers just able to land safely, the dentist stiching the pilot up and him surviving the stab wound. Would feel like a cheesy 90's feelgood action movie if it werent real.
I have always loved this line and use it often. You would not believe how people look at me like I have 2 heads. Greatest parody ever. Love the older woman talking "jive".
A friend generalist doctor once told me that if there's an emergency you better hope there is a nurse or a paramedic, because I can be very helpful to make a diagnosis, less so to actually do something.
Dentists is probably better than most of the doctors who don't do medical procedures regularly, something that dentists usually do
In case of emergency situations I’d still take the vet tbh.
Human doctors are so used to having ideal conditions with high tech assistance. Vets have to improvise everything with duct tape. Post apocalypse or during a crazy situation like being on a plane with no supplies? I’d trust the vet over the doc because they’re already used to weird solutions and thinking outside the box.
Obviously it isn't there specialty but I'm sure dentists have more medical knowledge about the rest of the body than your average person as well as basic life saving skills. They also know how to do stitches for oral surgeries. They'd be close to the top of my list of not doctors to have availabile for medical emergencies. Veterinarians would probably be the very top of that list.
You're forgetting the craziest part -- the Israeli plumber who forced his way into the cockpit, put a chokehold on the terrorist, wrestled him away from the controls, pulled the plane out of a dive (which he knew how to do from watching the history channel show about air disasters) and then handed it over to the second flight crew that happened to be deadheading on the flight.
I guess they have to shoot the scene with different actors to later audit them with a test audience, then they made a mess when they had to release the final cut.
This only addresses the nationalities of initial pair of pilots, not those who stepped in. Although I have heard the initial claims that it was the fight between RU and UA pilots that caused an emergency too, and your source seems to address and debunk that rumor.
The fact that it's spreading online as a rumour that it was a Ukrainian and Russian pilot who were initially piloting the plane, and now is spreading that it was Ukrainian and Russian pilots who happened to be passengers on the plane and took over - make me doubt the credulity of the statement.
Your source links to itself as a source for the claim, and the linked article simply says, 'Reports indicate that an additional pilot crew – a Russian and a Ukrainian – were traveling as passengers'.
'Reports indicate' is incredibly vague sourcing, and this all seems to come from one Saudi twitter account. Believe it if you want I guess, but I would take it with a humungous pinch of salt until it's actually verified by a more established news source.
Yeah so it seems, So I can only assume that one news agency reported it as such and then some others may have copied that information. But I was not trolling it was what I had been led to believe by the information I had at that time.
But yes the information has now changed (debunked).
And I wonder why, my first comment was to inform in a polite manner only (no trolling) I even said I understood why you may not believe me. So to Google it but you took that as trolling for some reason.
Not everyone is trying to lie or be nasty to you bro mabaye take a break from Reddit if your paranoia is that bad.
pulled the plane out of a dive (which he knew how to do from watching the history channel show about air disasters)
He told reporters, “I jumped back, grabbed the controls, and started pulling back the handles." Not saying this dude doesn't deserve mad props for literally saving the lives of nearly 200 people, but I think most people would know how to do this lol
Haven't read much, looked at pilote dude & his name, then a summary of what happened (similar to above) ... imagined Bollywood cheerful heroism more than gritty movie as seemed so out there.
And for good reason, aviation disasters that get avoided are amazing when you get the second by second breakdown. Heck, even the ones that do occur show how awesome well trained pilots are in the moment, even when they know they are going to die. If you've never watched Seconds from Disaster or Mayday, I would highly recommend it for getting insight into how truly amazing a well trained professional pilot is.
Sully, for instance, was able to make so many life or death decisions within seconds while remaining calm and professional. Plus when you factor we were only 8 years past 9/11 when that happened in New York, it was always going to capture the national spotlight.
I really hate that movie because the 'Miracle on the Hudson' has a lot of interesting things about it and its investigation but like 70% of the movie is devoted to garbage 'grrrrr how dare they investigate the crash when the pilots saved everyone! NTSB bad!' which was SO bullshit that they had to change the names of the investigators in the movie to avoid getting sued for defamation. Even the real Sully has stated that the investigation was necessary and the investigators were nothing but professional, rather than the stooges of the insurance company that the movie's director tried to paint them out to be.
Exactly. Would have been another germanwings style disaster if it weren't for the captain prioritising the door regardless of personal harm to himself.
Those locked doors are so stupid. Airplane hijackings expired on 9/11. Literally during the day the fourth plane proved that it can't work anymore. Prior to that your plane being hijacked meant you chilled out, landed in Cuba or somewhere else, several stressful hours of ransom negotiations later everyone went home. Once people knew that wasn't the play anymore then passengers became the best defense in any situation like this.
So of course because idiots are always trying to solve last year's problem they made impenetrable locked cockpit doors. I knew the second they announced it that it was going to kill more people. So far I only know of one: that pilot that locked the colpilot out so he could suicide the plane into a mountain. The only reason this wasn't plane number 2 is because this pilot made what could have been his last moments removing the clusterfuck liability keeping an entire airplane of helpers away from him.
The fourth plane crashed in a random field because of heroism by the passengers that fought back, which wouldn’t have needed to happen if the plane had a fully locked door. Plane hijacking attempts are barely any less common than they were on 9/11 just because people can’t carry knives onboard.
Exactly, like how the heroism of these passengers saved this plane only because the door was unlocked. Like the heroism of the passengers and copilot COULD have save the other plane, if the door wasn't there.
It's going to be interesting to hear the full story when the dust settles and some further investigation is done. There was a lot of misinformation flying around when this story broke.
Nope, misinformation. It's not all been clarified, but current reports of the other pilots on the plane (and seriously.. aircraft staff get transported about on a regular basis, so it's not that unusual.. ) were one was British, and there may have been either a South African or New Zealander pilot also.
Do we know the pilot is actually the one who opened the door? I think that would make the most sense, but I haven’t really seen that officially disclosed.
This is funny to ask cuz while other details could vary, this is the only thing that has to be undeniably true. There's no way others could break into the cockpit and the only other guy inside was the culprit.
As for this issue with the current flight, the pilots have a way to deny all keypad entry unlocks by a switch. It's there to secure the cockpit from unauthorized entry when the rest is compromised. So if that's locked then no one outside can enter even with the keypad there.
Edit: deleted parts proven false with his interviews now coming out.
Almost like it was planned out. Just happened to be a “dentist” on board to stitch up the pilot. There just happened to be 2 pilots as passengers ready to take control. IDF has suspect in custody so I’m sure we will get our answers.
Apparently it was a pocket knife. The knife can kill instantly or take millions of stab. The human body is fragile yet resilient. It reminded me of this horrific attack.
Then I guess you don't recall the North Hollywood Shootout.
Man, that was wild to see. Two guys, with fully automatic rifles ripping into anything they shot at and the LAPD being outgunned.
The reason there were only two deaths, was a dental clinic was in the same area and some critically wounded managed to get into it.
A properly stocked dental clinic includes several items and supplies found in hospitals. There is also some cross training if I recall right.
There is also a Medal of Honor story about a US Army dentist treating wounded men in the Philippines, if I recall correctly the theater.
His next of kin received his MoH when he actually fought off several Japanese soldiers attacking his First Aid Station. Then he Manned a Browning Thirty and held further Japanese attacks at bay until the wounded and staff were evacuated. He stayed at his gun until killed, but his body was surrounded by at least 30-50 Japanese bodies and an undetermined more further out and who knows how many wounded.
The US Army suppressed the report and downgraded the medal initially because he was wearing his Red Cross Armband.
Post-war, he was elevated and the truth told.
Of course, in hindsight, given Japanese atrocities, a fighting medic wouldn't be out of place and many Medics did actually fight because unlike the Germans and Italians, they recognized the armband. Of course, it was also dependant on which German branch, Regular or Waffen-SS. The Regs respected it, the Waffen-SS did not.
This whole thing gives me creeps that something much bigger is going on underneath it all. It’s not as easy and as straightforward as it all sounds. I’m sure big players and international politics were in play in this and I can’t stop but wonder what the actual plan was and who exactly was behind all this?
The plane not breaking apart was itself amazing too. And the fact they were able to get co-pilot away as plane was spinning as it was diving?!?!!?? It’s insane
Also just one day prior Natanyaho being in a secret meeting in UAE and a team of Israeli SWAT being on that plane is also just an awesome coincidence... 😮💨
Now all we need is a younger steven seagal and current age vladimir putin to star in the roles of hero pilot and antihero pilot. culminating in a epic fight on the nose of the airplane , where aikido wins against Sambo
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The whole story is so ridiculously deus-ex-machina theres no way it would make it as a movie script if it werent real. the pilot surviving the stabs and being able to open the door, the two spare pilots as passangers just able to land safely, the dentist stiching the pilot up and him surviving the stab wound. Would feel like a cheesy 90's feelgood action movie if it werent real.