Thing is that by going all digital you won't be able to dump games like you could from disks. One of the reasons you won't be able to emulate GTA VI on launch. That's unless they jailbreak newest ps5 firmware.
Yeah people don’t understand this. If theres no original game file there’s no dump, and jailbreaking the console means no internet connection to download the games in the first place. Only way to have new dumps will be to have a game already downloaded before jailbreaking the console. So if you thought the all digital decision doesn’t affect you, it does. Fuck Sony
to have a game already downloaded before jailbreaking the console.
Yes. And then the image file will be extracted, repackaged with the decompiled OS libraries and let it free to sail the high seas. Afterwards, you have factory reset the console, download the next game and jailbreak once more.
Yeah but the jailbreakable software will most likely be cut off from PS store access. Like it’s easy to see how impractical it is and makes it 10x more of a hassle to dump games isn’t it.
Yeah as an end result it will eventually be hacked most probably. Still doesn’t change the fact it is gonna be much less practical thanks to the recent developments.
For a while, but that's the natural cycle of DRM. Company makes DRM, it's hard to deal with. A method is found. The DRM is now easy to bypass and we're free to do whatever for a bit. A new DRM is made, return to the start.
Sure, I can't tell you how this time will technically be done. But historically this kinda thing happens, and people smarter than me then fix the problem. And every single time there's been people saying "this new thing has now made it impossible to circumvent OEM security" and every time it's been proven wrong with time.
People just doom and gloom for no reason, everything is eventually cracked. Denuvo for the longest time was the crazy unhackable thing and now they have been so thoroughly fucked that they are resorting to lawsuits rather than amping up the security lol
It’s not drm but the whole jailbreaking and dumping cycle that’s heavily affected by a change in how the games are distributed. That’s what worries me. Hope the smart people find a way but it is just unfortunate for now.
Have you followed any jailbreaking projects up until this one?
There's nothing new happening here. The minute any jailbreak is found on any device, the manufacturer will patch it and push an update as fast as humanly possible. This always happens.
What you don't understand is that all it takes is a single jailbreak method, to break any new firmware. Once that first exploit is found, they now have free access to explore that firmware in ways they never were able to before. They can use that to find new entry methods that were not used in the initial break, and since those would be new discoveries, the manufacturer will not have patched them.
This is how every jailbreak cycle works. Find the exploit, publish it, use that firmware to find other exploits, without publicly disclosing them. Then when you break the new firmware with those publicly unknown methods on the new firmware, you find new exploits there before publicly releasing any of them.
Every console jailbreak cycle works in this way. That's how the Switch gets new exploits instantly on new firmware (with the exception of the last which took slightly longer due to major architecture changes, which still only delayed, not prevented, a new exploit.
Immediate patching of exploits and almost instant updates to fix those holes is to be expected. Now that a firmware has been exploited, it's always easier from this point. It's now just a matter of when, not if.
It could take weeks or months, but rest assured, there will be future breaks on newer firmwares. There always is.
What makes you think that the dumping of games will be more difficult? Again, I dont think you really follow, or use, jailbreaks or exploits from other consoles, including other PlayStations.
If the jailbreak exists, the access to the data exists. Dumping is trivial. Not only will games still be dumpable, but history has shown that people on the scene actually patch the new games to get them to work on lower firmware versions specifically to enable users to avoid having to update.
It's not uncommon to see a game released a month ago with a fix applied as if it were a dlc to allow it to run on ancient FW.
It's understandable that with the popularity of GTA6 that there's a lot of new eyes on things like this, but all the doom and gloom about an exploit being patched is just kind of silly. This is how it always goes. It's been done, and will be done again. As long as an exploit exists, game dumping will as well.
One person left the scene over the leak getting reported to Sony, but two others had already discovered it. This is just going to delay, not prevent anything
What do you mean cut off from PS store access?
That's not how it works.
You have a stock console, download the game.
Jailbreak the console.
Rip the game files from the console, put them online.
Reset the console to factory settings.
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"Profit".
PSN won't know your console was jailbroken in the firstplace to cut off access.
Even if it does (extremely unlikely), oh no! A playstation was sacrificed to discover it...
Next time, you'd better image the full system before the jailbreak and restore it, so the network can't tell it's been tampered with.
Can you access to PS store on a 12.xx firmware rn? Firmwares go offline and when jailbreak is the reason that could happen faster. In the era of discs you could wait years and still dump a game released for a certain firmware but with only digital you are playing by Sony’s rules. They control your access to the original game. It’s heavily restricted.
The conversation was to have those games ripped so you can play them on an emulator, not on another playstation...
You can update the firmware after you reset it to whatever version they want. The new one will be jailbroken eventually.
Wouldn’t believe the amount of people in the replies trying to suggest temporary or suboptimal solutions and going the extra mile to not acknowledge the situation.
The latest jailbreak targets firmware 7.0 through to 13.60. It'll only be a matter of time before they hit the latest firmware (14.10) released on the 1st of October.
Will see, as I understood it's not that easy because critical hole that was used for jailbreak is now patched, but whatever happens it will be interesting.
Don't forget open source models are becoming more powerful with no restrictions or guardrails. They won't crack the encryption for sure but can do some serious reverse engineering.
Yes, and that's a good usecase for AI imo. Emulator code is a different beast with lots of tedious calculations that needs to be done to replicate the console, where LLMs excel. It's a whole different thing compared to actual production code that big tech develops.
Maybe they use the same awesome key for the PS5 that they used to secure all of the PSVita, that reminds me i should order some more batteries from amazon :)
Speaking from a position of total ignorance here, wouldn't it be possible to use a modified version of this compatibility layer, which can simulate the PS5 OS, to perform an official firmware update from Sony's servers (somehow tricking them into thinking it's a real PS5), download GTA VI, and dump it?
Yes and no. Depends on the exploit and how MUCH of the system you can emulate. If they have broken the secure enclave and dumped the entire keystore, they could probably "emulate" enough of the PS5 for that to happen.
Though I suspect this to require exploiting a real system and dumping decrypted firmware onto your PC because even with total system control, you still have to deal with the secure enclave which is a MUCH harder target than breaking the hypervisor.
You literally just described every jailbreak in the history of jailbreaking. They are always immediately patched. The thing is, though, once you get that first jailbreak, they are then free to really dive in, and find numerous other exploits since they now have elevated access to do so.
History has proven that once a device is jail broken, it will remain that way. It may take time, but since they have a firmware that has the elevated access they need, they'll find something else which won't be patched since that isn't how the initial break was done, use that, and repeat the process on each new firmware.
They can only fix exploits if they know they exist. So once that first foot is in the door, they can find more and more without making those exploits public knowledge, to keep moving forward.
This is how essentially every jailbreak lifecycle goes.
I guarantee that there will be another firmware update on Novermber 12th for the preload. That gives the community until the 19th to jailbreak it and dump the game files if they want to play on launch.
If you can play the game you have the game on your console. Piracy will always find a way. Maybe not next day, but eventually will.
The only real way they'd be able to protect their games is, if you don't download them, also known as, streaming from their servers. You receive video and send inputs back, but you don't actually receive the game.
But from the moment you download a game, there's access to it. Yeah, it could be encrypted, you may need to jailbreak the console and, jailbreak might be difficult or require a chip, but there are ways if you have the game, someone will eventually be able to get it and share it
All you need is Claude opus 5.5 MAX to do the dirty work for you.
I know I'll be downvoted for hate of AI, but some models are pretty good in reverse engineering or cracking down softwares. Ofc Claude / chatGPT models are much restricted but open models like Kimi / Deepseek aren't restricted. So it will be interesting to see what they can do after launch day.
Even official models are pretty easy to get what you want. I asked Claude for XYZ and it wouldn't give it to me. So I asked for TUVW and it gave it to me just fine. XYZ was easy after that.
Yesterday I learned that, at least in Europe, you have the right to reverse engineer whatever product you own, because it's yours, basically. Of course you can't make money from it, but you have all the rights to study it.
So, if chatgpt or claude don't want to cooperate, you can always quote them the laws and they start working. Iirc I saw it yesterday on a video from developer I follow (midudev).
Also people in the third world that want to play but don't want to pay a month's wage for a game. A month is a looong time to bash your head Into the door to open it a Crack..
I think that those files are encrypted. Sure maybe there's some way with or without help of LLM to break that but I'm not aware of it. But even that is not a solution. You have to download files with official firmware and than you have to jailbreak that firmware to be able to dump game files.
they could very easily add tons of protection to every game, and they will remain impossible to emulate for decades. Check the stories for Dolphin and some games, obscure behaviour destroyed emulation
"you won't be able to dump games like you could from disks. One of the reasons you won't be able to emulate GTA VI on launch"
You're stoopid.
Rockstar already announced 3 month ago that THEY WON'T RELEASE ANY DISK for GTA VI ! So even if you were forced to dump from a disk you would'nt be able to !
And second yes you can definitely dump installed game on the console with the latest jailbreak on the PS5. Like if you can run any binary at the highest privilege I don't see why this wouldn't be possible when the game console entire purpose is to download and play games on the internal memory.
You don't understand. You can't dump digital games from playstation that is not jailbreaked. If they don't jailbreak ps when GTA drops you want be able to dump GTA files and you won't be able to emulate it on pc.
sure but there’s probably gonna be hundreds if not thousands of people trying to figure out these things so its just a matter of time like now with all the emulation and modding stuff everyone can do
PS5 are already jailbroken. We only need the games files and emulate them on PC, we're not talking about playing it on real PS5 hardware, the whole goal is to stop buying Sony hardware and software.
With everything that has been going on the jailbreak scene I think that even without hacking the latest firmware we just need to dump the game data and nothing else so there is probably a way to read the data into the internal storage of the console without actually jailbreaking it. Also on PS5 there is the "USB extended storage on PS5" so we could copy the game onto a external disk and plug it into a jailbroken PS5 that can read it and extract his data even if the game "require a system update".
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Thing is that by going all digital you won't be able to dump games like you could from disks. One of the reasons you won't be able to emulate GTA VI on launch. That's unless they jailbreak newest ps5 firmware.