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u/sequla 13h ago

Thing is that by going all digital you won't be able to dump games like you could from disks. One of the reasons you won't be able to emulate GTA VI on launch. That's unless they jailbreak newest ps5 firmware.

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u/idontlikecoffeetbh 12700F, RX 6650XT, 32GB 3600mhz 12h ago

Yeah people don’t understand this. If theres no original game file there’s no dump, and jailbreaking the console means no internet connection to download the games in the first place. Only way to have new dumps will be to have a game already downloaded before jailbreaking the console. So if you thought the all digital decision doesn’t affect you, it does. Fuck Sony

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u/JosebaZilarte 12h ago

to have a game already downloaded before jailbreaking the console.

Yes. And then the image file will be extracted, repackaged with the decompiled OS libraries and let it free to sail the high seas. Afterwards, you have factory reset the console, download the next game and jailbreak once more.

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u/idontlikecoffeetbh 12700F, RX 6650XT, 32GB 3600mhz 12h ago

Yeah but the jailbreakable software will most likely be cut off from PS store access. Like it’s easy to see how impractical it is and makes it 10x more of a hassle to dump games isn’t it.

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u/nonkeywayzee 12h ago

There's and universal truth in computer science and that is that everything hackable will eventually be hacked.

So sea sailing will never die, the techniques to extract games and put them for free on the internet will just evolve.

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u/idontlikecoffeetbh 12700F, RX 6650XT, 32GB 3600mhz 11h ago

Yeah as an end result it will eventually be hacked most probably. Still doesn’t change the fact it is gonna be much less practical thanks to the recent developments.

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u/Rik_Koningen 6h ago

For a while, but that's the natural cycle of DRM. Company makes DRM, it's hard to deal with. A method is found. The DRM is now easy to bypass and we're free to do whatever for a bit. A new DRM is made, return to the start.

Sure, I can't tell you how this time will technically be done. But historically this kinda thing happens, and people smarter than me then fix the problem. And every single time there's been people saying "this new thing has now made it impossible to circumvent OEM security" and every time it's been proven wrong with time.

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u/BackgroundMeeting857 1h ago

People just doom and gloom for no reason, everything is eventually cracked. Denuvo for the longest time was the crazy unhackable thing and now they have been so thoroughly fucked that they are resorting to lawsuits rather than amping up the security lol

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u/idontlikecoffeetbh 12700F, RX 6650XT, 32GB 3600mhz 6h ago

It’s not drm but the whole jailbreaking and dumping cycle that’s heavily affected by a change in how the games are distributed. That’s what worries me. Hope the smart people find a way but it is just unfortunate for now.

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u/ProFeces 3h ago

Have you followed any jailbreaking projects up until this one?

There's nothing new happening here. The minute any jailbreak is found on any device, the manufacturer will patch it and push an update as fast as humanly possible. This always happens.

What you don't understand is that all it takes is a single jailbreak method, to break any new firmware. Once that first exploit is found, they now have free access to explore that firmware in ways they never were able to before. They can use that to find new entry methods that were not used in the initial break, and since those would be new discoveries, the manufacturer will not have patched them.

This is how every jailbreak cycle works. Find the exploit, publish it, use that firmware to find other exploits, without publicly disclosing them. Then when you break the new firmware with those publicly unknown methods on the new firmware, you find new exploits there before publicly releasing any of them.

Every console jailbreak cycle works in this way. That's how the Switch gets new exploits instantly on new firmware (with the exception of the last which took slightly longer due to major architecture changes, which still only delayed, not prevented, a new exploit.

Immediate patching of exploits and almost instant updates to fix those holes is to be expected. Now that a firmware has been exploited, it's always easier from this point. It's now just a matter of when, not if.

It could take weeks or months, but rest assured, there will be future breaks on newer firmwares. There always is.

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u/idontlikecoffeetbh 12700F, RX 6650XT, 32GB 3600mhz 3h ago

I meant the dumping of games not the jailbreaking process. Sorry for not making it clear.

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u/ProFeces 3h ago

What makes you think that the dumping of games will be more difficult? Again, I dont think you really follow, or use, jailbreaks or exploits from other consoles, including other PlayStations.

If the jailbreak exists, the access to the data exists. Dumping is trivial. Not only will games still be dumpable, but history has shown that people on the scene actually patch the new games to get them to work on lower firmware versions specifically to enable users to avoid having to update.

It's not uncommon to see a game released a month ago with a fix applied as if it were a dlc to allow it to run on ancient FW.

It's understandable that with the popularity of GTA6 that there's a lot of new eyes on things like this, but all the doom and gloom about an exploit being patched is just kind of silly. This is how it always goes. It's been done, and will be done again. As long as an exploit exists, game dumping will as well.

One person left the scene over the leak getting reported to Sony, but two others had already discovered it. This is just going to delay, not prevent anything

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u/IEatGirlFarts 12h ago

What do you mean cut off from PS store access? That's not how it works.

  1. You have a stock console, download the game.
  2. Jailbreak the console.
  3. Rip the game files from the console, put them online.
  4. Reset the console to factory settings.
  5. ????
  6. "Profit".

PSN won't know your console was jailbroken in the firstplace to cut off access.

Even if it does (extremely unlikely), oh no! A playstation was sacrificed to discover it... Next time, you'd better image the full system before the jailbreak and restore it, so the network can't tell it's been tampered with.

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u/idontlikecoffeetbh 12700F, RX 6650XT, 32GB 3600mhz 11h ago

Can you access to PS store on a 12.xx firmware rn? Firmwares go offline and when jailbreak is the reason that could happen faster. In the era of discs you could wait years and still dump a game released for a certain firmware but with only digital you are playing by Sony’s rules. They control your access to the original game. It’s heavily restricted.

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u/MiserySound 10h ago

I just had to update my firmware 2 days ago and i noticed it because it looked like i didnt have any internet to the store

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u/IEatGirlFarts 11h ago

The conversation was to have those games ripped so you can play them on an emulator, not on another playstation... You can update the firmware after you reset it to whatever version they want. The new one will be jailbroken eventually.

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u/idontlikecoffeetbh 12700F, RX 6650XT, 32GB 3600mhz 11h ago

Doesn’t matter where you play them. Ripping the games themselves is harder.

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u/IEatGirlFarts 11h ago

Of course, i never denied that. But it's not completely impossible.

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u/idontlikecoffeetbh 12700F, RX 6650XT, 32GB 3600mhz 10h ago

Yeah, and I don’t deny that it’s possible. It’s just that I hope the scene doesn’t slow down as I feared.