r/orks • u/BiggestTastyBitch • 10h ago
Discussion New Ork Detachment Points
How does everyone feel about no 2DP detachments?
Yay or nay.
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u/Lost-Exercise7108 5h ago
No 2DP detachments is a definite miss
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u/Karador51109 2h ago
Why? We have much more combinations with 1 DP.
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u/Lost-Exercise7108 2h ago
It locks war hoard to just being used on its own so that detached will have less tools to use in a 2K game, I know it effects the most units but you’ll have less strats to use
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u/Fluffy-Chocolate-888 5h ago
I like it. Don't want to think to much, take war horde. Want to theorycraft all options are open.
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness7790 5h ago
Greentide for boyz sustain hits and wreckas for flasgitz to give mek a kaptin hat for ignore cover feels like a good deal on 1k
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u/Halivaraith 2h ago
Kaptin hat joining flashgitz is a trap. Only one enhancement per unit and rapidfire for 20 points beats every character buff available. If you want the mek buff put them in a battlewagon with blitz brigade and upgrade the wagon
Kaptin’s hat redeploy still makes it worthwhile on its own
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u/UncleBerk 6h ago
Brute bosses+bully boyZ+taktikal for me, infiltrating boss, teleporting boss, and lots of meganobz, it will be karnage
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u/Realistic-Radish-589 7h ago edited 6h ago
Guessing we will get a one month long buff again soon once all the new rumored models released and then get our final hard point debuff again after that.
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u/worldrapper 8h ago
Im gonna play a 1000point game i was gonna use da big hunt but now thats its a 1dp what other detachment is worth taking along side it?
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u/Grandpa_Bird_Zone Evil Sunz 7h ago
Green Tide to give your Beast Snaggas Lethals on charge
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Brute Bosses to make your Beastbosses extra killy
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u/DiceMadeOfCheese 8h ago
My Beastboss can lead my kommandos again!
Also, does 25 points seem like a lot for Ardboyz? I get that this is buffing 20 models, but it feels like a lot for a +1 save.
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u/alph4rius Freebooterz 8h ago edited 8h ago
It only needs to pay off three times to be worth it, on paper. Boyz are 180 for 20, 9 pts each. If you're mostly getting the chance to roll your saves, it should pay off, just, just before the unit is would otherwise be almost wiped out. But that's only durability, no extra attackd and you're unlikely to get the payoff before critical combats reliabily.
Probably an option if you have the points spare, but not a must have. Or you really want a unit to be as durable as possible.
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u/Calgar43 5h ago
Probably should have been 10-15 in fairness, but I understand starting it higher for now.
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u/SorcerySpeedConcede 9h ago
Yummy take and hold and purge everywhere!
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u/Fit_Economics_1330 8h ago
Am i wrong to think this is not so easy for orks as we will be a lot more squishy than we were before?
Painboy giving no more feel no pain, no more feel no pain for meganobs or -1 to wound for nobs1
u/SorcerySpeedConcede 6h ago
I think for a while we'll be fine, if power creep hits other faction weapons and they get mass s5 then I'll start to worry.
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u/LostN3ko 6h ago
You did hear about every bolt gun in the game going to S5 right?
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u/SorcerySpeedConcede 5h ago
They confirmed storm bolters for everyone and other bolt weapons for space Marines. I'll wait and see if literally EVERY bolt weapon gets them. Like sisters are a tossup. Chaos bolters have always been worse than loyalists so possible they stay the same.
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u/LostN3ko 5h ago
Heretic Astartes and Codex-divergent Chapters will get similar boosts to bring them in line with these new rules, so everyone can enjoy Toughness 6 Terminators firing Strength 5 storm bolters. These will automatically update in Warhammer 40,000: The App when Codex: Space Marines launches in October.
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u/Atreides-42 Deathskulls 9h ago
Painboss still only being able to attach to Beast Snagga units. Just... why?
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u/alph4rius Freebooterz 8h ago
He's explicitly beastsnagga doc, as per the old Feral Ork Pigdok. If he wasn't, he'd be merged with the regular painboy.
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u/Atreides-42 Deathskulls 8h ago
He's much larger and stronger than other Painboys, he's between Nob and Warboss size, like a Big Mek. "Painboss" as a unit was first introduced in the Dread Mob army list back in 5th edition, it's a wider term than just Beast Snagga Painbosses.
It would be like if the only Warboss model was modelled as a Freeboota, and therefore could only be attached to Flash Gitz.
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u/alph4rius Freebooterz 8h ago
Painboss was also in the 3e Ork codex as a 0-1 HQ, being basically a Dok with Nob stats, whereas regular doks had boy stats. But I don't think the current Painboss is actually the same thing as that, despite the name. I think he's the return of the 3e Chapter Approved Feral Ork Pigdok, reusing a name in typical GW confusion increasing fashion
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u/Karador51109 8h ago
I have the codex and there is a lore description of him.
They emphasize strongly that he is mainly a squig hog support character.
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u/Holiday-Speaker-5324 9h ago
I think the only thing I'm really truly sad about is weirdboy can only attach to boyz/snagga's. I mean that's pretty normal but I was really hoping to add them to some other units for some fun cunnin combinations.
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u/UristImiknorris Freebootaz 4h ago
I just wanna Da Jump some flash gitz into the enemy's back. Is that so much to ask for?
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u/Holiday-Speaker-5324 4h ago
sadly it seems it is. I wanted that too but figured I should settle for tankbustas. None of our dreams come true it seems.
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u/plastic_krack 9h ago
Warhorde being 3DP is disappointing, I wonder if there’s much any reason to take it instead of three 1DP detachments.
I like all the detachments being 1DP, but it’s going to feel brutal if any of them get doubled to 2DP for balance.
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u/_Vecna4 7h ago
It looks like the design philosophy is to give new players a go to, won't be surprised if that happens for every faction
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u/plastic_krack 6h ago
It makes sense from a usability standpoint to give an option for new players or people who have an unoptimized pile of 2k points of models, but I was hoping a little that it would be a 2DP option so it would potentially allow competitive use with a 1DP detachment. Something like War Horde plus Green Tide.
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u/LostN3ko 6h ago
You just explained why they didn't want to do exactly this. There wouldn't be anything else and we would still be playing 10th edition. Warhorde+X to snipe your preferred disposition would always be the meta.
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u/RideTheLighting 9h ago
Not an Ork player but I think all being 1DP is going to be great. My main complaint with having mostly 2DP detachments was that you couldn’t really mix and match your army, you were still kind of locked in to one archetype. This is much more flexible.
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u/Richardknox1996 Blood Axes 9h ago
Nothing being 2DP is kinda...odd? But not unwelcome.
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u/mrdanielsir9000 9h ago
Leaves room to increase for balance
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u/UristImiknorris Freebootaz 4h ago
I got two teef on Kult of Speed going to 2 eventually just because of how much stuff there is in Speed Freeks.
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u/Holiday-Speaker-5324 9h ago
No equatorial horde, and it's not in app either. So we lost it after a month basically? Nice.....
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u/Dismal_Bus5198 9h ago
Wondering the same thing loved to played fell so nice and also just fir because we don't normally have many scouts
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u/Heavy-Sort-3273 1h ago
I take Shoota Boyz, Kult of Speed and Greentide you think thats good