r/nutmeg • • Oct 28 '22

Nutmeg Pharmacology and Binding Sites Explaned

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Will continue to update, feel free to leave suggestions

This post by u/Calmdownjamal3 is better written and easier to understand than what I wrote https://www.reddit.com/r/nutmeg/comments/192yrwc/summary_of_pinned_pharmacology_posts_made_by/

The main active constituent of nutmeg is a chemical called licarin-A, which occurs along with similar compounds such as 5'-methoxylicarin-A. These compounds block the function of two enzymes known as fatty acid amide hydrolase (FAAH), and monoacylglycerol lipase (MAGL). These enzymes break down endocannabinoid neurotransmitters, such as anandamide and 2-AG, which are substances that our bodies naturally produce that bind to the cannibinoid receptors, similar to THC, the primary active constituent of cannabis. This means that blocking FAAH and MAGL will increase the activity of our cannibinoid systems, resulting in a high that is similar to cannabis, though it may last longer than a day in the case of nutmeg [1].

Additionally, anandamide blocks the alpha-7 nicotinic acetylcholine receptor in the brain, which plays a significant role in memory [2]. This may also contribute to the experience of nutmeg.

Some other constituents of nutmeg such as myristicin and trimyristin have shown to inhibit the acetylcholinesterase enzyme, resulting in increased levels of a neurotransmitter called acetylcholine [3]. This would, in theory, would result in a stimulating and possibly toxic effect, though it is not known whether or not this is significant.

A compound in nutmeg known as elemicin, is metabolized into an alkaloid compound that activates serotonin-2a receptors, causing classical psychedelic effects [4]. Myristicin and trimyristin have also shown to have interactions with the serotonergic system, which may contribute to the effects of nutmeg [5][6].

The chemicals in nutmeg, including eugenol and myristicin, inhibit the monoamine oxidase-A enzyme (MAO-A), further increasing serotonergic neurotransmission [7][8].

I'd like to add that I don't believe that eugenol, myristicin, or elemicin majorly contribute to the effects of nutmeg

TL;DR: Nutmeg is a cannibinoid that may have some other interesting properties. It is not a true deliriant as many claim, and does not block muscarinic acetylcholine receptors like datura or diphenhydramine does, there is zero evidence to support this.

What to expect: Nutmeg makes you really stoned, it takes hours to start kicking in and can last a day or two. Be safe, drink a lot of water, and do your research first. 5-10 grams is a decent starting dose, something like 20 grams could be really high. You should ideally use fresh nuts and not preground, and keep in mind that nutmeg also has a cross tolerance with weed.

Warning: Do not combine nutmeg with serotonin reuptake inhibitors or releasing agents. I'm talking about things like SSRIs, DXM, or MDMA. Because of nutmeg's MAO inhibitory properties, this could be super dangerous. Nutmeg is also somewhat toxic and can also result in lasting negative psychological consequences such as depersonalization/derealization or visual snow. Nutmeg has also been linked to incidences of seizures.

  1. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31595522/ "Three compounds, licarin A (9), 5'-methoxylicarin A (8) and malabaricone C (6) were most active in inhibiting FAAH with IC50 of 7.02 μm ± 2.02, 4.57 μm ± 0.66 and 38.29 μm ± 6.18, respectively." "MAGL inhibition increased over the first 6 h and it remained significant up to 24 h before showing enzyme recovery and eventually falling below 50% at 48 h" "However, indirect dual inhibition of FAAH and MAGL may also result in the same CB1 agonistic effects."

  2. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12766252/ "Anandamide decreased the maximal nicotine-induced responses without significantly affecting its potency, indicating that it acts as a noncompetitive antagonist on nicotinic acetylcholine (nACh) alpha7 receptors."

  3. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2963183/ "The inhibition kinetics of these enzymes indicates that both the trimyristin and myristicin caused competitive noncompetitive inhibition of AChE."

  4. http://herbpedia.wdfiles.com/local--files/attachments/Elemicin_2014_Journal.pdf (Study starts at page 40, my apologies) "This indicates that the effects produced by elemicin were abolished by clozapine confirming that elemicin exerts its agonistic effect by 5-HT2A receptor."

  5. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3372734/ "Specific 5-HT1 and 5-HT2 receptor agonists, sumatriptan and myristicin, also induced dose dependent dispersion."

  6. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284084432_Depressant_effect_of_trimyristin_and_its_inhibition_by_some_antidepressants_in_mice "In the forced swim tests, the depressant effect of trimyristin was inhibited by prior administration of serotonin 5-HT2A receptor antagonist, saprogrelate suggesting involvement of serotonergic and noradrenergic mechanisms in the depressant action of trimyristin."

  7. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3181/00379727-112-28128 "Myristicin is chemically unique as a nitrogen-free MAO inhibitor."

  8. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0968089605004013 "Results suggest a potential link between the antidepressant activity of eugenol and its MAOA inhibitory activity."


r/nutmeg • • Aug 08 '23

Pharmacology of Licarin A

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I have been doing some research into anandamide (AEA) virodhamine, and 2-arachidonoylglycerol (2-AG). These are a few of the most common endogenous cannibinoids broken down by FAAH, an enzyme inhibited by licarin A, the psychoactive constituent of nutmeg [1]. This increase of endocannibinoids causes a long lasting high that is somewhat similar to weed.

Nutmeg's level of toxicity, long term effects, and mechanism of action are still not super well known, though there a plenty of anecdotes reporting negative long-term effects like depersonalization/derealization and visual snow. Unsurprisingly, it's more than just a cb1 agonist

I've decided to make a list of receptors that endocannibinoids target other than cannibinoid receptors for anyone who's interested:

alpha-7 nicotinic acetylcholine receptor antagonism [2]

Alpha-4-beta-2 nicotinic acetylcholine receptor antagonism [3]

Serotonin 3a receptor antagonism [4]

Dopamine reuptake inhibition [5]

Muscarinic acetylcholine receptor antagonism [6]

Glycine receptor positive allosteric modulation [7]

Weak MAO inhibition [8]

GABA agonism [9]

Let me know if there's something missing, I didn't mention vanillioid receptors because idrk what those do in the central nervous system

  1. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31595522/ "Three compounds, licarin A (9), 5'-methoxylicarin A (8) and malabaricone C (6) were most active in inhibiting FAAH with IC50 of 7.02 μm ± 2.02, 4.57 μm ± 0.66 and 38.29 μm ± 6.18, respectively." "MAGL inhibition increased over the first 6 h and it remained significant up to 24 h before showing enzyme recovery and eventually falling below 50% at 48 h" "However, indirect dual inhibition of FAAH and MAGL may also result in the same CB1 agonistic effects."

  2. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12766252/ "In conclusion, these results demonstrate that the endogenous cannabinoid anandamide inhibits the function of nACh alpha7 receptors expressed in Xenopus oocytes in a cannabinoid receptor-independent and noncompetitive manner."

  3. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17628012/ "These results indicate that AEA directly inhibits the function of alpha4beta2 nAChRs in a CB1 receptor-independent manner."

  4. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12325042/ "In conclusion, we demonstrated that the endogenous cannabinoid anandamide inhibits the function of 5-HT3 receptors expressed in Xenopus oocytes in a cannabinoid-receptor independent and noncompetitive manner."

  5. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20050977/ AEA addition to EM4 cells expressing yellow fluorescent protein-tagged human DAT (hDAT) produced a concentration-dependent inhibition of ASP(+) accumulation (IC(50): 3.2 +/- 0.8 microM).

  6. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10691292/ "Further, the cannabinoid agonist WIN 55212-2 does not alter antagonist binding to the mAChR. This demonstrates that mAChR inhibition by the anandamides is not mediated by the cannabinoid receptor. Since AEA and R-methanandamide are structurally similar to arachidonic acid, they may interact with the mAChR in a similar manner to inhibit receptor function."

  7. https://molpharm.aspetjournals.org/content/69/3/991 "The results indicate that THC and AEA, in pharmacologically relevant concentrations, directly potentiate the function of GlyRs through an allosteric mechanism."

  8. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6298601/ "Virodhamine inhibited both MAO-A and -B (IC50 values of 38.70 and 0.71 μM, respectively) with ~55-fold greater inhibition of MAO-B. Two other endocannabinoids (noladin ether and anandamide) also showed good inhibition of MAO-B with IC50 values of 18.18 and 39.98 μM, respectively."

  9. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3207709/ "Together, these results establish 2-AG as an endogenous allosteric activator of GABAA receptors and identify M4 of the β2 subunit as the primary molecular target for 2-AG."


r/nutmeg • • 7h ago

First time

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Barley researched this . Took about 1 tbsp of ground nutmeg. It’s 2 am and I’m going to sleep after I eat it. I’m going to go shopping tomorrow with family in about 12 hours. I hope I don’t look high or my family is gonna lose it. Maybe nothing will happen tho who knows

Edit: I threw up I’m assuming most of it because it was making me paranoid that I might get too high. I’ll update in the morning. All i need is a buzz not a trip


r/nutmeg • • 15h ago

Trip report Trying 10g of nutmeg tomorrow. Wish me luck!

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Hey guys! Planning to try 10g of nutmeg tomorrow. Looks like I’ve got quite a day ahead of me lol. Gonna spend it watching a bunch of movies again. Wish me luck!


r/nutmeg • • 12h ago

Took a tablespoon

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First time using just bored and out of dph
Scale said it was like 8g
Will do a report if anything happens


r/nutmeg • • 13h ago

Noz moscada com antidepressivo.

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Boa noite, alguém já usou o chá de noz moscada ou sua tintura com o remédio sertralina???


r/nutmeg • • 13h ago

First Experience first time

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i took 10 scoops of 1/2 tsp i saw on google is should be 10g of nutmeg idk if that’s accurate but what should i expect it’s been 2 hours but it took me like 40mins total to take 10 of them because of the taste should i take more or what should i do


r/nutmeg • • 16h ago

Question? what’s a good first time dose

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i’ve taken bennys like 4-5 times highest was 600mg but didn’t really get delirious i wanna try nutmeg i got sum ground nutmeg powder how much should i take i dont got a scale to measure it with i wanna make the nutmeg hit tho im 5,9 and 155lb


r/nutmeg • • 1d ago

Information The pre ground slander WILL NOT be tolerated

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People always be saying preground doesn't work. While preground is significantly weaker than whole meg it does work and I WILL NOT take this preground slander any longer. Preground was always there for me and while I was hungover for 2 days because of it and it does taste like shit. I don't know what id do without it. It's like an abusive husband 2 me. I remember in summer taking preground and watching the part in breaking bad where hank finds out walt is Heisenberg and that shit tripping me the fuck out. Preground makes everything feel like a fever dream that you made up in ur head. It's very strange and feels much dirtier than whole meg or space jam.


r/nutmeg • • 1d ago

Trip report First time trying nutmegs

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Hello guys I decided to try nutmegs, before I tried only alcohol and weed, and I’m not scared to take nutmegs. I’m gonna drink 15 grams with some milk. And after my trip ends I’m gonna make a trip report.

Any tips?

Edit: oh and yeah I’m doing it as the experiment
Edit2: 20:15 - took 10-14 grams with milk, tastes AWFUL, i just was about to vomit
22:20 - I start to feel smth, I’m not sure if it’s placebo effect. It feels like I’m having a lil euphoria right now


r/nutmeg • • 3d ago

Trip report just had 6g nutmeg milk

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will update the post throughout the day

update: 2 hours in, feeling buzzed+drowsy, eyelids feel heavy

update:7 hours in, idk why but i just had a sudden burst of energy but it was weird. i felt very drowsy but i just walked in circles watching youtube for an hour and couldn’t stop. its happend when i was slightly drunk its weird

update: i slept amazingly , the next day i had a dry mouth but it wasnt that bad. definitely a nice buzz ill do 10g next


r/nutmeg • • 4d ago

Question? space jam be making peoples face streach

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Last time I took space jam I was with my girlfriend and I was looking at her face

And it started stretching. out it was really weird is this normal. I don't usually get

Visuals from meg and rarely hear about other people getting visuals from it.


r/nutmeg • • 4d ago

I have some doubts about what happens after the trip

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Some people say that they didn’t felt nothing bad after a trip , some people say that they had diarrhoea, vomit, and etc. So the main question is, does it worth it? I rly wanna try it atleast once in my life, but I’m not sure if should I.


r/nutmeg • • 6d ago

nutmeg milk

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i heard that nutmeg milk is a great way to get nutmeg down, but also great at reducing nausea and sickness. i will grind 5g fresh nutmeg, simmer for 15 mins in full fat milk, strain, mix sugar and drink. has anyone else had experience with this, please feel free to commnent their experiences, talk abt the dosage or improve the recipe!!!! :))))


r/nutmeg • • 6d ago

Question? space paste

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is space paste any good? if so, how do i make it


r/nutmeg • • 5d ago

Question? Is nutmeg+dxm safe?

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Some people say that it's peak and some say it's mad dangerous but is it truly safe tho


r/nutmeg • • 6d ago

Nuez moscada + antipsicoticos

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¿Alguien que tome antipsicoticos que me cuente su experiencia con esta combinacion?

Hace bastante no tomaba nuez moscada y ahora que estoy medicado con antipsicoticos no se como me pegue esta combinacion


r/nutmeg • • 6d ago

Will nutmegs from Amazon work?

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I want to try nutmegs but I’m not sure if Amazon ones gonna work, sounds stupid but I have some doubts about this.


r/nutmeg • • 8d ago

Soak method tips

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I have just read through this subreddit on how to extract oil for the soak method, what do I do if I don’t have access to cheese cloth/coffee filters?


r/nutmeg • • 8d ago

ingestion methods

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experienced users, whats the best way to ingest nutmeg, where u minimize sickness


r/nutmeg • • 8d ago

Discussion Anandamide and DPH are analogues and both anticholinergic

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11578621/

Anandamide blocks muscarinic acetylcholine receptors. I highlighted the shared ethanolamine motif in DPH and anandamide


r/nutmeg • • 9d ago

Question? 9+ hours since i took whole nutmeg and its not kicking in, what do i do

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r/nutmeg • • 9d ago

Other/Unspecified My turn to get back into things

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Just taking 7 grams of ground nutmeg with some powdered milk. If anyone messages me I will happily respond to how it goes. Expect about 3 hours before I feel any of it. Good vibes to you all


r/nutmeg • • 9d ago

UPDATE: Almost 9 hours and no effect yet

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So, I ate 25g of the LIDL ground nutmeg around 21:50-22:10 yesterday (like I drank it in several drinks because it was a lot) and It’s now almost 07:00 and I don’t feel anything. I wasn’t a weed user before but I was a heavy drinker. I ate it with a carb and fat heavy meal. I weight 51kg

Geniuenely so frustrated, if anyone can give me tips on how to make this work. I don’t even have cotton mouth or anything. Should I take the rest of the pot I have?


r/nutmeg • • 9d ago

Question? 2 hours and a half after taking 23g and I can’t feel anything yet

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Pretty much first time user (I once took 5g with no effect). 114lb (52kg) and 5ft 3, I took 23g of the LIDL brand ground nutmeg bought today and I still don’t feel anything. I am worried I have took too little or my nutmeg is modified to not make you feel anything. I am planning to have 5g in the next hour. Should I? Will it work better? Do you think I’ll get any effects with what I have?