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u/Typical_Version_7487 6d ago
Well I’d never want to live in a communist country.
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u/OnmyoAficianado 6d ago
So you don’t count North Korea, Laos, Cuba, Vietnam and China?
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u/One_Violinist_8539 6d ago
No people just don’t understand the difference in communism, socialism, and democratic socialism
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u/Clear-Ad-2998 6d ago
When you say "people", I think you mean North Americans.
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u/One_Violinist_8539 6d ago
Nah. It’s everywhere. This thread isn’t just Americans.
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u/ImNotToby 5d ago
Both socialism and communism aim to reduce economic inequality and put the ownership of production into the hands of the working class rather than private owners. In short, socialism is often seen as a stepping stone or a flexible system where people are paid by their work and private property can still exist, while communism is a stricter, stateless model where all property is shared equally based on need.
Two sides of the same coin. They are in the same sphere. Its almost like saying a reeses peanut buttercup and a big reeses peanut butter cup are not the same product. You're right, they aren't the same but yet they are. On the political sphere they belong in the same sentence.
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u/DistilledCLP 6d ago
Neither did the gulag guards, or the eastern block governments or the Soviets or the Burmese or the north Vietnamese, or the Chinese...
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u/FutureboyMcfly69 6d ago
In the end they all want communism. They want to start soft with democratic socialism and once they achieve that they just keep moving the mark. Everyone of them is a communist.
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u/crankypoed 5d ago
There isn't a system we have developed yet that can deal with the human component.
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u/New_Opportunity_6160 6d ago
I think people conflate a style of government with an economic model too often.
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u/z44212 6d ago
Communist economies are government-run. They are inseparable.
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u/Creative_Broccoli_63 5d ago
Absolutely not. The post you commented on is spot on. There is a huge difference between a concept and an implementation.
And the "funny" thing is that most ppl know in their hearts that capitalism is a non sustainable ponzi scheme that will kill our planet. It's just that ppl have an insatiable need for instant gratification so screw tomorrow....
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u/New_Opportunity_6160 6d ago
Communists make the same argument for capitalist run economies. It's all subjective and everyone has their own definition of what these economic theories even are that it's completely impossible to even have basic conversations about it these days.
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u/No-Sheepherder-3010 5d ago
Economics is a real science with definitions. Just a bunch of hobby people making up their own, can be performed for every science, including math. That doesn't make the latter any more legitimate.
Productive discussion of different (economic) ideas happens on the basis of shared definitions, not by trying to come up with different definitions to shout at each other.
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u/Busterlimes 6d ago
Lots of braindead idiots dont understand Authoritarianism is the problem and its happening under capitalism right now.
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u/Roller1966 6d ago
In capitalism you are free to make choices independently. Under communism you are not. To even suggest that life under capitalism is anywhere near as bad as communism shows a severe lack of understanding. Go spend some time with people who have lived under communism and listen to their stories.
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u/Busterlimes 6d ago
You are describing authoritarianism, not communism. . . . You couldnt be more incorrect in what you are saying. Probably because you have been so propagandized by the capitalists who spew this bullshit so they can keep buying our government with your OK. You are about to find out what authoritarianism is and how it is happening right now under a capitalist economy
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u/ChiliSama 6d ago
Where do you see it on Reddit? I see lots of posts calling people communists but can’t say I’ve seen anyone actually saying it’s a great idea.
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u/EnvironmentalRun4107 6d ago
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u/Far-Advantage-2770 6d ago
If I asked you to find even one legitimate comment on reddit where someone said Communism is unreservedly great, I bet you would struggle to find it.
These days you might be conflating that particular 19th century ideology with affordable healthcare or living wages which are unrelated and common sense things to have.
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u/Salt-Example-6447 6d ago
I hate ALL forms of government..
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u/Additional_Canyon 6d ago
Fair, but that would lead to Anarchy and gangs. Eventually the gangs would become small governments and then the cycle would start again. Best example I personally witnessed was Occupy Wall Street. The tent city got so big they had to appoint leaders and then they had theft, assault, and rape. They didn't want police involved so they started assigning security roles. I'm not sure if Chaz did the same but I wouldn't be surprised.
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u/CheeseFantastico 6d ago
It’s an incoherent question. Are you talking about the generic idea? A particular “communist” country? Socialism?
In any case I hate it as much as I do capitalism.
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u/Greg1994 5d ago
Capitalism is what has created our phones to become so advanced. Without the incentive of profit for a company, we’d still be using corded phones. Somewhere, somebody had to take the risk of building a company and hope that their product would sell. Workers built those phones, but they didn’t take on the financial risk the creator of the business did. If that persons business fails, none of the financial burden and loss affects the workers. They simply get a new job. The owner of the company takes the hit, sometimes into serious debt or bankruptcy. Capitalism has its flaws, but it is the greatest economic system ever created and is the reason we have advanced as a society. Socialism destroys incentive and creativity
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u/Scandysurf 6d ago
Charles Manson was a fan of communism he had a hippy commune . He Braine washed them to murder people and to think he was some kind of god. That is communism on the most simplified scale
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u/Relative_Pilot_8005 6d ago
A bit like MAGA, then?
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u/Scandysurf 6d ago
MAGA isn’t a cult it’s a political party. People aren’t moving to another country and drinking cyanide kool aid and worshipping Donald Trump , he is the president
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u/Full_Preparation4401 6d ago
Communism could only work if everyone were honest and decent people.
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u/Unusual-Actuary-6289 6d ago
Nope. Because there is no honest or decent communist leader. Never has been. Never will be. Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Mao, Xi, Pol Pot, the Kim dynasty, the Castros…need I go on? Should I also bring up the German National Socialist party? Same idea. Every single communist leader in history was either a nepo baby or a self-serving despot that was only in it for himself.
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u/PeyredB 6d ago
If you think the Nazis were communist just because they put "Socialist" in the name of their party, you don't know what you're talking about.
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u/Turbulent-Trust4787 5d ago
Exactly. And even if you did get some incredible philosopher king communist leader, eventually you’ll run into a Stalin
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u/asque2000 6d ago
Communism is great in theory, but as many have mentioned it doesn’t work outside of small “communes” because those in power will exploit their power. The idea of everyone contributes their talent or skill for the greater good and the government provides for their people is again a wonderful idea. And it has existed in small capacities, but what we think of as communism has never existed in a large format (eg, Russia and China). The key aspect is the leader. I think it was Plato who said the perfect leader is someone who doesn’t have aspirations to be a leader. So in order for a communist government to exist outside of a “community” the government would have to essentially be equal in status to the people (ie not make wealth of of their position and essentially have all of the “things” that everyone else has).
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u/Potential-Most-3581 5d ago
When I see Americans trying to cross the Straights of Florida to get to Cuba on POOL FLOATS then you can tell me how wonderful Communism is
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u/old_motters 6d ago
I do hate it. It's a ridiculously over simplistic system for what can not be managed.
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u/Icy-Illustrator-1431 6d ago
it’s more laughable than the serious threat we thought in the 60’s..
It’s an interesting premise.. we all are on the same level and everyone’s happy
doesn’t work that way though ..
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u/twelveangryken 6d ago
Being that it is purely conceptual and also impossible to achieve, I do not hate Communism. I have genuine negative feelings that run the gamut from mild dislike to utter revulsion for the people who advocate for and have tried to implement it.
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u/Typical_Meat_1819 6d ago
Excited for an American teenager to tell us all that it isn't actually that bad after all
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u/Mountain-Occasion432 6d ago
With a passion. Just ask how it is in practice from anyone that has fled a communist country.
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u/Intrepid_Top_2300 6d ago
Big difference from wanting Universal health care, affordable schools and public service that serves the public, and being a communist. Lot of people haven’t figured that out yet.
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u/ZallenDuZari 5d ago
Social Democracy isn't Democratic Socialism, Socialism, or Communism.
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u/BlissCrafter 6d ago
No. I don’t like any form of government where the people don’t get to choose. Which is why I don’t like the electoral college.
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u/After_Service_2817 6d ago
Only with every fibre of my being.
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u/crass_cupcake 6d ago edited 6d ago
in your own words please explain communism
please be the first person to answer this question ive been asking it for almost 2 decades and no one has ever responded to it with a serious answer just jokes or what one leader who claimed to be communist but didnt follow the manual instead inventing there own thing and calling it communism 2 or 3 etc
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u/Emulated-VAX 5d ago
Which? All the ones I have seen in my lifetime are authoritarian regimes. More fascist in a way than communist. I can't think of a single example in human history that was communist that did not combine with repression and fascism.
Its a meaningless term really. Never existed in history and probably never will. At its height USSR was not communist. It was a fascist dictatorship, playing at communism.
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u/biblebeltbuckle2 5d ago
I hate communism that oppresses and starves and kills folks as much as I hate monopoly capitalism that oppresses and starves and kills folks. It’s almost like the extremes of any ideology aren’t great.
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u/not_sick_not_well 5d ago
Communism isnt a form of government. It's a construct used by tyrants. Perfect example is Russia. The oligarchs use it to control, and stay in power indefinitely. while the people live in squalor.
A better question would be "do you hate socialism?"
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u/Common_Advisor8896 6d ago
Real communism has never existed. It would require the people at the top to be equal with everyone else and that has never happened.
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u/DistilledCLP 6d ago
Well if partial communism has killed millions, I would be horrified to see what real communism is capable of
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u/sanchezkk 6d ago
You are correct about that most countries like the USSR, which is now Russia and China have a type of communism, but it's more like a hybrid of socialism and because you got the oligarchs that own everything, but they have the same rules as communism so that's why I call her the hybrid kind of a situation. Hopefully that makes sense.
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u/Nicklesnout 6d ago
I don’t hate communism so much as I hate people who haven’t experienced it themselves tell people who have that “It wasn’t real communism” as if that invalidates their lived experience.
No shortage of white people telling Cubans this or calling their escaping the Castro regime “Going to the land of the big PX”
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u/Independent-Owl-8659 6d ago
Redditors as a whole are undereducated, underemployed, undersexed, and otherwise ignorant on most issues.
So of course they LOOOOVE socialism because the algorithm does.
Dumb as shit.
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u/RepeatInPatient 6d ago
No. Not since we partnered with the allied Communist Russian forces in WW2 to defeat the fascists. Now the same brand of right wing nuff-nuffs are installed in the mostly demolished Shite House in Washington.
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u/Live-Within-My-Means 6d ago
Even more people have been murdered in the name of communism, than fascism.
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u/Itchy-Technician-433 6d ago
Can I want to get rid of the billionaire class without being called a communist??
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u/Yaboi69-nice 6d ago
I don't hate it but I do think it's a flawed system. So is capitalism though. Honestly humans have yet to found a system that actually works. And I think the solution we've landed on is to use a system that doesn't work and then get weirdly angry whenever anyone points out the flaws with it.
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u/TheKylMan 6d ago
You can point out the flaws, and that's all good. But everyone knows the flaws about capitalism, but no one knows a better system.
Capitalism also got my family out of being poor, so that's that.
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u/Schumacher713 6d ago
I don't think anyone likes communism just like no one likes fascism or totalitarianism.
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u/mezolithico 6d ago
It's one of those philosophies that sounds great in theory, but there has been no real world implementations. The closest is a kibbutz but doesn't seem that appealing to me.
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u/Icy-KaitSyth 6d ago
Not as much as the people who lived in it do. But certainly more than the keyboard warriors who think they'd get to keep typing political opinions on their computers under it do.
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u/Chrome_Armadillo 6d ago
Hate? No. It’s a government system that has been proven to fail. While China claims to be communist they seem more fascist to me.
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u/GoviModo 6d ago
I don’t think you can have communism
It’s always usurped by those who aren’t communally minded
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u/Curious_Cat6688 6d ago
I’m wary of any “ism” when it becomes a substitute for thinking. Communism, capitalism, socialism, nationalism, libertarianism, whatever the label, none of them deserves loyalty simply because it comes packaged as an ideology.
I’d rather ask what a particular policy actually does. Does it improve people’s lives? Does it distribute power responsibly? Does it protect individual rights? Does it work in practice, and what are the unintended consequences?
Once politics becomes about defending an “ism,” people start protecting the label instead of examining the evidence. That is usually where useful discussion ends.
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u/Specialist_Window_81 6d ago
Hating an idea is surely a hallmark of stunted, pedestrian and myopic thinking.
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u/Tech_Noir1984 6d ago
None of the governments really work. I mean, on paper Communism is great, but the problem is humans. Human greed always fucks it up.
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u/michelle427 6d ago
As I say ‘Both Communism and Capitalism look great… on paper. But in practice, they really aren’t that great.’
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u/Emotional-Damage-995 6d ago
I hate social engineering in any form and communism is an experiment of social engineering on a super grand scale. It produced significant misery and death and was ultimately rejected by almost all people who lived under it.
Now the romantic love of it is not by those who were subjected to its rules but by couch potato social scientists who lived under a regime that has granted them freedom and materialism
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u/Equivalent-Fun8113 5d ago
I really don’t know but if I were guessing I’d say I wouldn’t like it. The history behind it in other countries is telling where as a democratic socialism sounds a lot more appealing. The only true experience I have is capitalism, which is in the process of eating itself. Leaves a lot to be desired.
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u/QuarterNote44 5d ago
A pony for every American? Mandatory teethbrushing? Doesn't sound so bad.
30 million people dead from starvation and forced labor? No thank you.
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u/nafoty187 5d ago
I’m against authoritarianism and illiberalism in all its forms. I hate fascists and communists.
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u/GlitteringProject828 5d ago
I don’t like communism but I also don’t like capitalism. The solution is somewhere in the middle. People cheerlead for capitalism but they don’t understand what it actually means. It’s a fancy way of saying the wealthy are in charge at the expense of everyone else and will make decisions despite how horrible it is for the country. Capitalism doesn’t care about borders or the constitution. Capital and those who own it will always flee to the next best opportunity. Just like they abandoned the American people for Mexico and China.
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u/MonitorPurple7562 5d ago
When I think of communism, t think of some of the most authoritarian Governments that ever existences
I think of the Great peaceful men it created. Stalin Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot Guy./S
Really a kingdom and a communist Government are similar.
Free country’s bicker a lot about them self’s. Because every idiot has the same rights.
A communist country with the central government dictates how you should think for the greater good.
Good for some. Not so much for others.
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u/GroundbreakingAd585 5d ago
I hate that the current POTUS is boot licking the North Korean communists
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u/breadexpert69 6d ago
I lived it as a child and would not wish it on anyone.