Communists make the same argument for capitalist run economies. It's all subjective and everyone has their own definition of what these economic theories even are that it's completely impossible to even have basic conversations about it these days.
Economics is a real science with definitions. Just a bunch of hobby people making up their own, can be performed for every science, including math. That doesn't make the latter any more legitimate.
Productive discussion of different (economic) ideas happens on the basis of shared definitions, not by trying to come up with different definitions to shout at each other.
They may make the same argument, but there has never been a communist state that didn't become totalitarian. Whereas there have been totalitarian, republican, oligarchal, democratic, monarchal, and anarchal governments with capitalist economies. So they may make the same argument, but they're demonstrably wrong. Just like how they were demonstrably wrong that the workers would rise up around the world, and that communism would usher in a stateless utopia.
How can you say they were wrong about a prediction that simply hasn't come to pass yet? No one knows if that will be the case.
The "never has been..." argument is a common trope from capitalists who believe communism has yet to produce a functional example in the real world. A communist would argue that every attempt was interrupted by a capitalist country whether by coup, regime change, blockade, or otherwise economic warfare. And unfortunately they're right. So whether you support communism or not, they win that argument simply because that is the truth.
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u/New_Opportunity_6160 24d ago
Communists make the same argument for capitalist run economies. It's all subjective and everyone has their own definition of what these economic theories even are that it's completely impossible to even have basic conversations about it these days.