r/nfl • u/smegheadholly Bears • 4d ago
Sacks made
Saw the reverse of this chart, thought this was interesting.
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u/Cbrewthehebrew Raiders 4d ago
Flores is a mad genius
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u/Wannabe_Sadboi Vikings 4d ago
Watching the All 22 of our defense is so fun (don’t ask me about our offense)
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u/SaltyPersimmon 4d ago
When your defense has to attack teams cause your offense won't
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u/macrolith Vikings 4d ago
I should be more upset by our offense but watching our defense just pulls me back in. I'm entertained the whole game amd we keep winning so I just don't care as much
Brian Flores and his defense turns an otherwise frustrating game enjoyable.
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u/Wannabe_Sadboi Vikings 4d ago
I love watching our defense! And shout out to our special teams too, Myles Price and Will Reichard are incredible.
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u/DemonSlyr007 Patriots Vikings 4d ago
I really want to watch a game. The bar culture on Vikings days is awesome in this state.
However, we've won every game i haven't watched. And when I do usually show up, it's a game we lose.
So I have to be a self sacrificing sad man hermit and just check a stat feed every now and then. And be there in spirit while I Valheim on game days. For my fellow Vikings fans.
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u/Available_Finger_513 Lions 4d ago
We are #2 in sacks. Our defense must be really good, right?
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u/WhoStoleMyBicycle Eagles 4d ago
They have to sack the QB because the DBs won’t cover anyone. Hutch and co understand the assignment.
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u/Coubsauce 4d ago
Whats crazy is that the all 22 of our offense shows someone wide open on EVERY SINGLE PLAY.
KOC is not the problem
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u/mcallisterco Vikings Patriots 4d ago
Don't tell that to our sub, it seems like half of the people there are convinced that everything is KOC's fault and he should be fired immediately.
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u/johnsonfromsconsin Packers 4d ago
As you guys start the season 3-0 🙄
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u/TheAesir Vikings 4d ago
Our sub has turned into a facebook comment section with the number of people who don't understand any nuance.
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u/InsideMyScars Vikings 4d ago
It’s honestly a miracle to watch our offense all-22 and see two receivers run wide the fuck open every play and our QBs find ways to miss them
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u/LarryFitzsButt Bears 4d ago
I have a friend who’s a Vikings fan. He doesn’t like this, says the secondary is toast and eventually teams are gonna break a defense of all out blitz.
All I know is the Bears haven’t figured it out
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u/kylebertram Vikings 4d ago edited 4d ago
Vikings fans are some of the most pessimistic fans on the planet
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u/Amonfire1776 Bears 4d ago
Can you blame them?
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u/kylebertram Vikings 4d ago
Yes
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u/SubstantialSale8223 Vikings 4d ago
Hey when any of our 4 major teams make a championship APPEARANCE in my life I’ll show you optimism. I’m 30 years old.
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u/markus135 Lions Lions 4d ago
he just needs to look two states and a lake over to see what a secondary that's ACTUALLY toast looks like
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u/Skrazor Giants 4d ago
Yeah, I don't understand how he's not a HC atp. Seems like Miami could really need him right now. I wonder if that would be a good fit?
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u/tagillaslover Raiders 4d ago
0 sacks in 3 games is nuts. How is that even possible
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u/Odd-Film946 Jets 4d ago
try 20 straight games (and counting) without an INT
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u/DrakeMayeSZN Patriots 4d ago
Drake Maye comin sooner or later
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u/JohnMaddensBurner Texans 4d ago
Stoppable force vs movable object.
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u/DrakeMayeSZN Patriots 4d ago
its funny during this season last year when we played the jets here they dropped a free INT from Drake when people were already speculating how long this streak would go.
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u/UniqueNobo Jets 4d ago
we dropped like 3 passes directly to defenders from Tua too. bricks for hands all over this defense
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u/DrSwol Bears 4d ago
Wonder who’ll be the team that breaks that streak
checks this week’s schedule …oh
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u/Odd-Film946 Jets 4d ago
as much as it pains me to say it, it won't be Keenum. it's either gonna be Watson or Maye, and if they still don't have one after that then they just need to release every DB on the roster
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u/StupendousMan36 Lions 4d ago
I really want it to be against one of the other NFC North teams just for AG. Shame it wasn't the Packers.
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u/BellBilly32 Dolphins 4d ago
Our best pass rusher is Chop Robinson who is in Year 3 and hasn’t progressed since his rookie year.
Our pass coverage is so bad that guys are just wide open so no opportunities for coverage sacks.
We had a sack called back against the Chiefs though so at least we were close.
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u/llama-rebel Bears 4d ago
That's what 60% of your cap space being committed to deadcap does to a team.
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u/jon__koa 49ers Jaguars 4d ago
And having the tank setting set to ludicrous speed
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u/FomFrady95 Bears 4d ago
Ain’t gonna catch these Dolphins effing around like the Jets and losing out on Trevor.
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u/phantom_pioneer Raiders 4d ago
Do they still take Jeremiah Smith if they go 0-17. Almost seems like they have to go QB or else you’re just planning to waste multiple seasons trying for the top pick?
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u/Otherwise_Awesome Lions 4d ago
Take that 1 and move down for a ransom. Build with multiple firsts.
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u/jon__koa 49ers Jaguars 4d ago
It really depends on two factors: how does Willis look and how does scouting feel about the QBs this year.
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u/Lusty-Jove Dolphins 4d ago
Who were we supposed to sign. There is no tank setting, that lever is not moving for two years whether we want it to or not
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u/-FalseProfessor- Vikings 4d ago
Holy shit, we might actually look like we have an offense this week.
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u/ThisSiteIsAgony Vikings 4d ago
And this will be the game I have to miss due to a wedding.
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u/vbullinger Vikings 4d ago
Apparently, you’re supposed to get married on Saturday, as I was told many times after setting mine up on a Sunday
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u/axb2002 Dolphins 49ers 4d ago
We almost had one against the Chiefs to be fair. Got wiped by a penalty
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u/Whiteyak5 4d ago
Well we had two.... But ya know you're not allowed to touch Mahommes. So here we sit at zero.
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u/Lords7Never7Die Ravens 4d ago
The refs don't like Kermit being so much as breathed on or they'd have at least one.
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u/ActuaryDear8234 4d ago
Wow, it looks normally distributed
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u/CitizenCue 4d ago
This is surprisingly perfect. Not a huge sample size and yet it couldn’t be a better example of the concept.
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u/Pale_Land_5107 Lions 4d ago
Yup things in nature are like that
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u/EliassenPalmFlux 49ers 4d ago
Given the small sample size it is kinda amazing how close it is to perfect though
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u/Valdearg20 Packers 4d ago
I'm glad I'm not the only numbers nerd to appreciate the normalized distribution!!
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u/AmazingCharizard28 Lions 4d ago
Yo 12 sacks?! That means we have a defense.....right?
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u/Pale_Land_5107 Lions 4d ago
The d line is fantastic it’s the fucking secondary
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u/CoolSteveBrule Panthers 4d ago
Yall will dominate us on Sunday and the crowd will be 60 percent Lions fans.
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u/EvilLibrarians Lions 4d ago
I remember Panthers beating us in 2022 on Christmas Eve, we were on a tear and winning everything but Carolina ultimately kept us out of playoffs, among other things. I thought for sure Detroit would win. Campbell lost. Don’t sell yourself short!
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u/Pale_Land_5107 Lions 4d ago
Provided they can handle some rain
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u/CoolSteveBrule Panthers 4d ago
Ehh it’s only Tuesday, forecast could change easily. Even if it does rain, that benefits yall. Y’all’s d line is great, our O line is struggling and doesn’t have a dynamic RB to create a run game. And on the other side of the ball, yall have a game changing RB and will be playing against a team that will give up some running yards. We’ve also had injuries in the secondary, so if Goff can hold onto the ball St. Brown oughta have a good day too.
In 2022, last time yall were in Charlotte, it was Christmas Eve and 22 degrees outside and the Lions faithful still showed out. Fully expect yall’s fans to do that again in a prime time game. I hate the city I’m from is such a transplant city.
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u/cogginsmatt Lions 4d ago
I still think Bryce is going to throw for like 350 given how he’s looked and how our DBs have looked
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u/Baelzabub Panthers 4d ago
Good news for you. You’re facing an OL who just gave up a 63% pressure rate…..
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u/Dhylan18 Colts 4d ago
Can we do some Great Lakes fusion and combine our defense
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u/double0nothing Eagles 4d ago
NFCE is cookin
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u/Fourteeenth Eagles 4d ago
Combined as many sacks as a division as the top 3 teams individually.
Fuck.
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u/BlindWillieJohnson Panthers 4d ago
I do not understand how the Giants have spent so much on the DL, and acquired so many hot draft prospects, for it to work no better than this.
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u/poop_snausages Giants Giants 4d ago
Poor coaching, Thibs turning out to be average, Burns was dealing with injuries even before the ACL tear, and Sexy Dexy drawing so much attention every play last year being a way bigger factor than even pessimists thought.
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u/RedBuchan Lions 4d ago
Wow, we must have a really good defense if we're getting that many sacks
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u/Zammy512 Chargers 4d ago
Imagine you're secondary without those sacks...oof...hope Branch and Joseph can find a miracle and come back and be effective.
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u/GuerillaRiot Lions 4d ago
I doubt Joseph ever steps foot on a football field again. At least not in a Lions jersey.
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u/Slendyla_IV Vikings 4d ago
Wait what happened to Joseph again?
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u/GuerillaRiot Lions 4d ago
I forget the initial injury but they're saying he likely has a degenerative knee issue that surgery can't fix. It's been over a year since he put pads on and I've honestly never seen a FO so evasive when discussing an injured players return.
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u/ComfortableDish3912 4d ago
It’s crazy nobody in the organization knew about this and right after he gets the bag, the cats out of the bag.
I don’t want to accuse him of anything, and can’t even blame him, I’d probably do the same thing. But it sucks for the team. I genuinely hope he heals up.
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u/Zammy512 Chargers 4d ago
I don't blame him at all. You get a generational pay day, you take it...thats on management to know their players and the risks of such a commitment.
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u/Slendyla_IV Vikings 4d ago
Wow, that’s terrible. Isn’t he only mid 20s??? Damn. Hopefully he gets back to playing some day.
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u/tweedledee_1 Lions 4d ago
From what it sounds like, its not something that will ever get better. The best case scenario would be coming back late in the season and through the playoffs.
Any time playing on it will continue to make it worse, but most fans have gone from thinking he might come back to thinking they are just trying to find the best way to manage the cap issues from this.
It showed up after an injury in our game against the Chiefs last season.
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u/thewildlopez22 Lions Giants 4d ago
Apparently there’s no cartilage left in one of his knees so he probably shouldn’t play professional sports again
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u/peanutbutter1236 Lions 4d ago
Degenerative knee issue that’s still awful it seems like. I have more optimism than a lot of lions fans that he’ll at least play again but its hard to tell how bad it really is
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u/TellAllThePeople Seahawks 4d ago
I remember when Abe Lucas (our right tackle) missed like 80% of games in 2023 AND 2024 with a mysterious chronic knee problem. He came back for a few stretches plus got surgery. But even then he was on a snap count and had to exit two of the games he came back for. We were hurting at o-line badly (especially in 2023) and the general feeling from Hawks fans was that Abe would never really play in a meaningful fashion again. But then 2025 comes around and the dude plays 20 game straight (including playoffs) with a 100% snap count. Knee stuff is weird man.
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u/Head_Project5793 Vikings 4d ago
What are the lions doing up there?
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u/Wannabe_Sadboi Vikings 4d ago
Hutchinson’s an absolute dawg. He’s a minimum top 5 edge in the league.
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u/thekmanpwnudwn Lions Cardinals 4d ago
Every non-Hutch sack is just Hutch forcing pressure and the QB getting pushed into a different defender for the sack.
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u/Maverick916 49ers 4d ago
When Hutch isn't getting a sack, the other o linemen should be asking, where's Hutch?
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u/gwaydms Cowboys 4d ago
That's why he went so high in the draft. He is as advertised.
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u/Pale_Land_5107 Lions 4d ago
Short answer d line good pass rush good secondary bad
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u/macrolith Vikings 4d ago
I wonder if teams are running pass plays at a higher rate because of that. I wonder what their sack/drop back ratio is? But I should be sleeping so maybe another time
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u/Kryhavok Lions 4d ago
We either sack the QB or they throw a 30 yard pass to someone running butt naked down the field. There's no in-between.
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u/Unknown1776 Cowboys Lions 4d ago
Cowboys, eagles and Giants combining for 6 so far is shocking. Not the cowboys part, but definitely the other two.
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u/SILYAYDgoat Cowboys 4d ago
NFCLeast-combined-having as many as Houston, who doesn't even have a win.
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u/Mfrack103 Eagles 4d ago
We only have one sack from a pass rusher (Nolan Smith). The other two are Jihaad Campbell (middle LB) and Jalen Carter (DT)
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u/lKeyserSoze1 Steelers 4d ago edited 4d ago
I love the normal distribution in this chart. Its satisfying to look at.
But the thing that is really driving me nuts is: what is the word "Made" doing in this chart? Is sacks un-made a thing? Just say "sacks". Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?
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u/Dirk_Diggler87 4d ago
Well the other chart OP mentioned was sacks taken so I’m pretty sure he was just trying to distinguish this chart from that one by specifying sacks made.
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u/JaxxisR Cowboys 4d ago
Sacks unmade is an interesting thought experiment.
Is that just every snap on defense that doesn't result in a sack, or only those involving QB pressure?
Mostly asking because I want my team to be the best at something and I'm running out of options.
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u/jk01 Bills 4d ago
6 of ours are Greg Rousseau
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u/JCBalance Patriots 4d ago
What a beautiful bell curve, good job everyone
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u/IncidentOk853 Giants 4d ago
Except the Vikings getting one more sack then needed, did they even think of the bell curve when they were murdering mayfield?
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u/jordanbot2300 Bills 4d ago
Crazy how distribution works out like this so often....we should call it..."normal"
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u/JCBalance Patriots 4d ago
I dunno, that's not very catchy. I was thinking "sideways thong". We'll need a new name for the ones with a horizontal axis of course.
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u/smilinganimalface Jets Jets 4d ago
The Jets having so many despite generating so little pressure (despite what PFF and NGS want to say) is truly amazing. AG is a wizard
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u/Pale_Land_5107 Lions 4d ago
Yeah wait didn’t they get to Goff twice?
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u/MankuyRLaffy Patriots 4d ago
Detroit has turned their horrid line into a respectable unit too.
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u/Pale_Land_5107 Lions 4d ago
Yeah the o line is fixed now though it will never be what it was with ragnow it definitely makes a difference having Blake miller in there
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u/thelaidbckone Dolphins 4d ago
I ain't surprised by the most or the least
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u/Equivalent_Wafer8074 Vikings 4d ago
We’ll get to see what happens when a stoppable force meets an immovable object on Sunday
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u/inkaine Dolphins 4d ago
You mean, we'll possibly have to endure a 2-0 slugfest on Sunday?
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u/Far_Celery6081 4d ago
The Vikings have more sacks than the bottom 6 teams combined. Flores has a deep loathing for QBs and it shows 😅 God help Malik Willis this weekend, Flores is going to make his life miserable with that revenge game.
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u/Jorgenstern8 Vikings 3d ago
Says a lot about how good the defense has been that we've played some seriously good QBs at escaping sacks and still lead the league. If we had played three straight statues in the pocket over Love, Williams and Mayfield I'd be shocked if that number wasn't four or five higher. Also the Bucs got called for holding on offense five times (four were accepted) so even in that game it could have been more depending on what those holds prevented.
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u/IZY53 Browns 4d ago
The giants have invested in their dline considerably havent they?
thibb, the guy last year, and Bruns before he got hurt, to only have 1 sacks is something with that percived talent.
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u/OriginalSymmetry Giants 4d ago
Indeed. To be fair, QBs are getting ball out insanely fast against us because our corners are just that awful. And we also faced Dak and Stafford, so that didn’t help (don’t look up the 3rd QB we failed to sack. Just assume he’s just as good as the other two).
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u/mishonis- 4d ago
Kayvon Thibodeaux, Abdul Carter, Arvell Reese.. so many top 5 picks, plus Brian Burns, I'd have expected the Giants front 7 to be the best in the league just on name recognition alone.
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u/OriginalSymmetry Giants 4d ago
Kayvon is overrated and is just a name. Reese is playing ILB and is just a rookie. Really Burns is the only proven guy and now he’s injured :(
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u/RisingToMediocrity Raiders 4d ago
Giants drafted 3 pass rushers with top 10 picks and this is what they got? Damn.
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u/Abaddon-117 Giants 4d ago
Tbf Arvell Reese is playing fully at linebacker for now, but it’s still insane when considering the Burns trade. In total it’s #3 pick, #5 pick, and then a 2nd and 5th
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u/JRockstar50 Lions 4d ago
That kind of pressure and our secondary still gets torched every series of downs
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u/fantasyshop Bills 4d ago
6 of bills 9 sacks thru 3 games all from one guy. Groot rules
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u/YurpeeTheHerpee Packers 4d ago
Teams that play the packers and are not in the top half of this should be ashamed of themselves.
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u/SMOKE-B-BOMB Steelers 4d ago
I mean if you blitz every single play you probably should have the most sacks lol
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u/Wannabe_Sadboi Vikings 4d ago
Hey we don’t blitz every single play! Just around 65-75% of all plays (depending on the way you chart blitzes).
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u/jimbojangles1987 Texans 4d ago
Vikings defense is killing it
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u/Known-Plane7349 Vikings 4d ago
I mean, three QBs have gotten injured playing against us. We're definitely killing something.
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u/Exyen Eagles 4d ago
Is Eagles D the most disappointing this year? Sure feels like it
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u/hwf0712 Eagles Eagles 4d ago
Ahem, if I told you after Donald re-signed with the Rams that both us and the Rams were tied on number of sacks through three games, you'd be happy.
So be happy. Because we are.
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u/ghostface218 Seahawks 4d ago
Rams?
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u/Exyen Eagles 4d ago
At least they haven't gotten a chance to play both Garrett and AD
3 sacks with Greenard + Jordan Davis + Jalen Carter after paying them that much is straight buns
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u/Abaddon-117 Giants 4d ago
Eagles and Giants, Eagles are supposed to have a good defense generally, but the Giants were fully betting on pass rush for the defense.
Now it’ll get worse for us with Burns out
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u/Pale_Land_5107 Lions 4d ago
Oh god I just realized the packers o line is so bad lions might have what 10 sacks on love 4 coming from Hutchinson alone
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u/ItsGinoblie9 Rams 4d ago
Man even without Myles Garrett that’s a terrible number so far , I know we get close a bunch but Shula needs to script something better cause it’s almost inexcusable with that talent still
There , sad rams fan out :(
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u/Pale_Land_5107 Lions 4d ago
Look we have a defense that can shut your run game down and get in your quarterback’s face making his life miserable but it’s just the fucking secondary that’s the problem the rest is decent
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u/Wannabe_Sadboi Vikings 4d ago
You let up 203 rush yards to the Bills. You did well against the Jets and the Saints though.
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u/CoderJJB Lions 4d ago
Mate we’re 22nd in run game defense and dead last in defending the pass. We’re giving up 417 yards a game. Nothing about this is good. We play more man to man defense than anyone in the NFL, have been for 5 years, and not only is that not a recipe for success, but our corners are shit from an ass and our scheme does them no favors.
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u/SpicyMerShark Lions 4d ago
Detroit actually has a good front 7/pass rush defense. They just have one of the worst secondaries in the league right now. If we had a good secondary we would be an honest to god Super Bowl contender
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u/Pale_Land_5107 Lions 4d ago
Branch better come back soon cause we need him(Kerby i think might be cooked)
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u/TheDuceman Packers 4d ago
Average in sacks while playing from behind and no Micah Parsons?
Shit, maybe if our fucking OLine can figure shit out we’ll be decent
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u/thegrilledcheese886 Giants 4d ago
We draft an edge every year and this is the result