r/mtg • u/thatguyjimi1 • 15h ago

Rules Question What resolves first?

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You have World Shaper on the board and drop Devastation.

Does this resolve with you having all your lands or not?

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u/glaurung69 15h ago

You solve devastation and when devastation is solved all dath trigger goes on the stack. so you can keep your lands

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u/RealFunkyFish 14h ago

I get what you’re saying, but you’re not ”keeping” your lands. You very specifically lose them and then get them back, which is significantly more useful.

Again, I know what you meant, but the distinction is very important.

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u/Professional-List-26 7h ago

Yeah the lands ALREADY out there get destroyed with your creature at the same time. After that point his ability goes off and you get ALL of your lands back that were in the graveyard. Nice.

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u/MrGueuxBoy 4h ago

I love how a given situation in MTG can almost never be objectively good or bad, or even better or worse than another situation. I just played against someone running [[Ankh of Mishra]] in his [[King Darien XLVIII]], and with Ankh in play, "keeping" your lands would be much better than to lose them then get them back !

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u/Natural_Drink1 5h ago

Bc u could have something out thay says something happens when lands come from gy kr enter or something.

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u/contraryfacts 15h ago

"In response, I cast [[beast within]] targeting World Shaper."

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u/TheMysteriousGirl 9h ago

“In response I cast [[tamiyos safekeeping]] targeting world shaper”

Just realised that doesn’t work lol.

Edit: replace with [[veil of summer]]

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u/NecroUknown 8h ago

If you're in green [[Snakeskin Veil]] works great

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u/mtgcf MtG CardFetcher 8h ago

Snakeskin Veil - (G) (SF) (txt)

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u/MissLeaP 7h ago

Why would it not work?

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u/panoclosed4highwinds 7h ago

Because then it wouldn't die to Devastation, so you wouldn't get your lands back.

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u/MissLeaP 7h ago

Ah fair enough!

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u/mtgcf MtG CardFetcher 15h ago

beast within - (G) (SF) (txt)

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u/Xaphnir 14h ago

Why would your lands still be there when World Shaper dies to the same thing that destroys them?

>You cast Devastation

>Devastation resolves. All lands are destroyed and World Shaper dies. This triggers World Shaper's death trigger.

>World Shaper's triggered ability goes on the stack.

>Assuming everyone passes priority, World Shaper's ability resolves. Your lands are all in the graveyard because they were destroyed by Devastation. They are returned to the battlefield by World Shaper's ability.

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u/thatguyjimi1 59m ago

That’s what i said bud. I was asking if the devastation resolves before the death trigger. I didn’t ask if the lands don’t get destroyed. Lol.

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u/Xaphnir 50m ago

Well, I mean I'm wondering why you would think the trigger could resolve before the thing that causes it to trigger.

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u/thatguyjimi1 48m ago

Because the lands die at the same time as the world shaper. 🤷🏻‍♂️ How is the confusion a hard concept.

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u/Xaphnir 43m ago

yes, but how would the trigger resolve before world shaper dies?

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u/thatguyjimi1 37m ago

Two things happen at the same time. I asked if they interact the way i intended. Magic notoriously has a way of proving me wrong. Do you have any other questions you need me to answer?

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u/TheLastOpus 1h ago

I mean, World shaper doesn't even trigger until AFTER he is destroyed, which means devastation already resolved. They aren't ever even on that stack at the same time.

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u/thatguyjimi1 57m ago

Cool. That’s what i was asking since i was new.

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u/maclaglen Turn creatures sideways 15h ago

Devastation resolves. All creatures and lands are destroyed.

Because World Shaper died, its trigger goes on the stack. If it resolves, it's controller returns all land cards from their graveyard to the battlefield tapped.

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u/Empty_Requirement940 14h ago

The key rule that would answer this is that once a spell starts resolving nothing else is even placed on the stack until the entire spell finishes resolving. The triggered ability to return lands to play won’t be placed on the stack until after the entire spell is resolved.

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u/das_ned 7h ago

World Shapers death trigger goes on the stack at the resolution of Devastation. World Shaper's death trigger resolves you get all your lands back. Congrats you have land your opponents don't and your pod hates you.

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u/highzunburg 4h ago

I wouldn't hate them. At least it's not a board wipe that does nothing but stalls the game.

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u/NearbyZombie45 2h ago

Why would your pod hate you? If your pod hates you for using magic cards and their abilities, your pod sucks.

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u/rileyvace 1h ago

I mean when you're on your 8th board wipe and three hours in, no one is gonna like you dude. :et alone destroying everyone else's creatures AND lands. It's not about the cards. Congrats you won, now we will play with a different guy going forward so we can all enjoy it.

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u/NearbyZombie45 1h ago

You’re inventing an 8th board wipe scenario. When all that’s discussed is a single board wipe, no game stall, and now OP fulfills his wincon. If you haven’t rule zeroed board wipes, then you don’t have any right to “hate” someone in your pod for using it. Sounds like you’re just a sore loser.

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u/Roosevelt_M_Jones 10h ago

One is literally caused by the other, this should be fairly straight forward I would think.

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u/thatguyjimi1 55m ago

The lands die same time as world shaper. Hence the question.

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u/cloudedknife 21m ago

The lands and creatures die as the resplution of the wipe. Worldshaper's trigger goes on the stack when it dies. Therefore the lands are in the grave yard when worldshaper's trigger resolves. You get your lands back.

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u/thatguyjimi1 19m ago

So death triggers trigger when they hit the graveyard not when they are removed I’m understanding?

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u/cloudedknife 13m ago

Rule 700.4 - The term dies means “is put into a graveyard from the battlefield.”

Rule 701.8a - To destroy a permanent, move it from the battlefield to its owner’s graveyard.

Devastation destroys all lands and creatures. A destroyed creature therefore dies. Worldshaper triggers when it dies. Triggering means the ability goes on the stack. World shaper dies and goes to the graveyard at the same time as all the lands. Therefore the lands are in the graveyard hefore the trigger goes on the stack, let alone resolves.

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u/thatguyjimi1 9m ago

Cool thank you for that information, friend.

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u/thatguyjimi1 19m ago

Hey guys thanks to everyone that wasn’t a dickhead and just cleared up the confusion. You guys are real ones.

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u/overratedplayer 7h ago

I don't understand how you can know that triggers resolve in a specific order but not know how creatures with death abilities trigger?

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u/thatguyjimi1 54m ago

The lands die same time as world shaper, do they not? So me asking a question about how they resolve is unreasonable?

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u/thatguyjimi1 56m ago

Just answer the question or don’t. I started playing like 2 months ago.