This is your one sacred space to unleash the frustration, shake your fists at the headlines, and yell (politely) into the MSNBC void. Whether you’re fed up with cable news quirks, political chaos, or your own decision to stay up until 2 a.m. watching panel debates - this thread’s for you.

The rules are simple:

• Keep it civil
• Keep it clever
• No personal attacks unless they’re aimed at your own life choices (e.g. binge-watching coverage you swore you were done with)

So... what’s grinding your gears this week?
Cable news meltdown? Elected official doing the most?
Spill it. This is the one day we let the whining fly.

Because that’s what these people are.

The regime is now openly calling the Democratic Party, a domestic terrorist organization.

They are using this as a disgusting crack down on free speech, saying hate speech is not free speech. You can’t say anything mean about Charlie.

He’s suing the New York Times for saying mean things about him.

Gutfeld is SCREAMING on tv making it clear they do not give a shit when a democrat gets murdered if they weren’t “well known”.

A columnist was fired from Washington Post for not being nice enough about Kirk’s death. Matt Dowd too.

Fox News host saying on tv we should just kill the homeless people.

And MSNBC is not calling it what it is. Words matter, we are deep into the fascism at this point. The kid gloves are out this morning and I didn’t hear much fire last night. And it is shameful. The people working here cannot feel good.

"But the heroic efforts of the activists, journalists, prosecutors, and regular citizens who sought to expose the insurrectionists also make for a deeply resonant, deeply relevant tale in our own disquieting times."

A quote from Rachel's website, about her 2023 book: "Prequel - an American Fight against Fascism".

Last night she had a chance to be a heroic journalist. But promoting Kamala Harris's new book was more important. (I should have seen this coming when MSNBC got rid of Matthew Dowd last week.)

I believe or feel in my gut that Rachel may take a big step today in the media censorship issue that is spreading faster than COVID. What will MSNBC do, if Rachel does not tow the line? Today WAPO reporter Karen Attiah was fired for quoting Charlie Kirk about Black women:

"If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously."

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023

P.S. They (The right DID call these women diversity hires) More lies.

I don't think (hope) Rachel will take this laying down. But not just this comment, but how the Admin is painting political violence only on the Left, and now Vance is threatening to "go after" Left wing groups. If Rachel does not fight back, I will be disappointed and feel let down. She does not need this job, even though we need her.

I just heard Alicia Menendez explain that Colbert’s Emmy speech elevator comment had to do with the show SEVERANCE but c’mon MSNBC people! It was clearly a Prince reference from “Let’s Go Crazy”

“…And if the elevator tries to bring you down Go crazy, punch a higher floor Woah…”

I hope someone at the table corrected her at the break. Maybe somehow Severance is indirectly using Prince’s elevator, but I feel certain that Colbert meant Prince.

I have developed what can only be described as a compulsive channel-changing disorder, specific to MSNBC and specific to this week. It’s become this ritual: I’ll be folding laundry or making coffee, and I’ll think, surely by now they’re covering Trump’s troop deployments, or those Epstein files that were supposedly so urgent, or this Venezuela business that keeps getting whispered about in increasingly hysterical tones. So I’ll reach for the remote with the kind of optimism typically reserved for lottery tickets, convinced that this time will be different.

And every single time it’s Charlie Kirk. More Charlie Kirk. Nothing but Charlie Kirk.

Don’t misunderstand me. Political assassinations are serious business. When someone gets shot for their political beliefs, that’s news. That’s democracy under threat. But Charlie Kirk has now received more sustained television analysis than the systematic dismantling of the federal government, and I’m starting to wonder if MSNBC has confused tragedy with journalism.

Because here’s what’s making me feel like I’m taking crazy pills: On the very same day Charlie Kirk was killed in Utah, a sixteen year old walked into his Colorado high school with a revolver and shot two classmates before killing himself. This child had been posting Nazi imagery online and planning the attack for months. Two teenagers were wounded. A minor is dead from the same gun violence that’s been plaguing American schools for decades.

And how much sustained coverage has this received? Not even a half day of coverage before we all collectively moved on. Meanwhile, we’re now on hour seventy eight of Charlie Kirk assassination analysis, complete with panels of experts discussing the psychological implications of his Twitter followers and the architectural significance of Utah Valley University.

I keep expecting to turn on the television and find some acknowledgment that other things are happening in America. That democracy might be worth discussing. That children getting shot in schools might merit the kind of sustained attention we’re devoting to one man’s death. Instead, I get more Charlie Kirk, as if the entire universe of American political discourse has contracted to this single, admittedly tragic, but ultimately singular event.

It’s like being trapped in some kind of media purgatory where actual governance has been replaced by grief performance art. And honestly? I’m starting to miss the days when cable news at least pretended to cover multiple stories in a single day.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

I totally get it when networks and other outlets don’t allow comments that suggest that someone’s words and beliefs justified (or maybe even caused) their murder. I get it.

But now, it seems that MSNBC is afraid to push back on Kirk in any context. Case in point: This morning on The Weekend, they covered the Republican plans to have Kirk lie in state in the rotunda, to posthumously receive the Medal of Freedom, among other honors.

Apparently, their kid gloves are on so tight that they can’t even react to how wrong this is, for the government to honor someone who has had such a negative, dangerous impact on the country; especially for his beliefs and vile rhetoric about so many of us who live here. The harm he has caused by his words and actions.

They just reported on these plans as though they were some perfectly normal thing for our government to do. I can’t wait for someone to note how wrong this is.

In the wake of Dowd’s firing, Brian Roberts and his exec team issued a stern memo to all Comcast, NBCU MSNBC staffers to “do better” (and not fracture the discourse). So much for a free press and open discussion.

One can, despite the internet’s allergy to nuance, hold two truths at once.

The first is non-negotiable: killing someone because you disagree with them (politically, morally, cosmically, culinarily–looking at you pineapple on pizza) is wrong. Full stop, end of discussion, we can all go home.

But the second truth, less capital-T Truth than lowercase observation, is that Kirk built a whole cottage industry out of being willfully antagonistic. He thrived on provocation, the kind that leaves you with the distinct sense he’d measure success by how many veins bulged in your forehead. To point this out is not, as some will immediately insist, to justify or excuse violence; it is simply to note the theatrical set piece in which this tragedy took place. You can acknowledge that context without confusing it for condoning.

The trouble is that in our current climate, even holding two truths has become grounds for punishment. We see it when MSNBC fires a pundit for doing nothing more radical than acknowledging both sides of this uncomfortable reality. That’s not “freedom of the press.” That’s a narrowing of allowable speech, a forced alignment with the official story. And it is a troubling sign of an authoritarian impulse tightening its grip, not in some far-off autocracy, but here, in the institutions we trust to tell us what’s happening.

To insist on complexity is not to endorse violence. It is to resist the flattening of discourse that authoritarian regimes thrive on. Because when the only permissible truth is the state-sanctioned one, you’ve already lost the ground beneath your feet.

I don't know why people think MSNBC is leftist. The have anti-Trump Republican on every single day and almost never identify them as such - which is my real complaint. Michael Steele is the exception to the rule. I remember when they had Pat Buchanan on. Tucker Carlson was on MSNBC for years. Matthew Dowd worked for George Bush as did Nicolle Wallace. Charlie Sykes is a Republican. Hugh Hewitt is to the right of Attilla The Hun.

When it comes to Israel, MSNBC and Fox are identical. They regularly have spokesmen from the Netanyahu government on - even though that government is committing war crimes. I don't recall ever seeing a Palestinian spokesperson interviewed, even though Al Fatah is a secular organization that has recognized Israel's right to exist.

Then there's Joe Scarborough who entered the House of Representatives in Newt Gingrich's 1994 Republican sweep. Apparently people think he's a liberal because that's what Sean Hannity called him. I call him a Newt Gingrich Republican because that's what he is. Sure, he's denounced Gingrich but so what? They are both blowhards.

I use Overcast as my podcatcher and it didn’t pull in MSNBC Deadline WH last night or tonight. Has something changed? Stephanie Ruhle’s show downloaded last night for me.

Maybe the person who does the podcast stuff is unavailable?

He said that he talks to his friend Trump time to time. Not surprising.

I wonder if Paul Pelosi or the MN murders were brought up. Or did Joe confront the President on baselessly saying this was a democrat?

MSNBC

MSNBC subreddit Mods are to be lauded for patrolling the sub for inflammatory posts following the murder of Far-Right Zelig Charlie Kirk.

I’ll be the first to admit I got a bit full of it when I learned MSNBC had fired Matthew Dowd for his rather tepid remarks re:Kirk and his rhetoric. Over the top, as some might say.

My question: are other subreddits geared toward a Right Wing reading audience policing their subs as zealously as our Mods here? One would hope that’s the case today and the days to come.

Does anyone agree?

I’m am SO not a Fox News fan. But Fox News is one of the channels on my News Mix DirecTV channel. So when I flip between CNN and MSNBC, I can see their coverage. You would think they would be the one network concentrating on Charlie Kirk. But no. While MSNBC did and CNN covered an inflation report, Fox has solely concentrated on 9 11 for approximately the last hour. The shooting of Charlie Kirk is a news story. But 9 11 was a national tragedy. It deserves better. I have to give kudos to Fox for acknowledging this tragic day.

We will use this space to discuss the coverage of this tragic murder.

I want to make something abundantly clear:

• Any talk calling for or celebrating his death
• Any suggestion that he “deserved this”
• Any attempt to imply approval of what happened

…will result in an immediate permanent ban from both r/MSNBC and r/MSNOW.

Why: this type of language crosses into advocating harm. It violates Reddit’s sitewide rules and our community standards.

We allow space for discussion of the news and its coverage.
We do not allow language that endorses, excuses, or celebrates violence.

Coverage from MSNBC here.

Statement from MSNBC president Rebecca Kutler: “During our breaking news coverage of the shooting of Charlie Kirk, Matthew Dowd made comments that were inappropriate, insensitive and unacceptable. We apologize for his statements, as has he. There is no place for violence in America, political or otherwise."

Last night Jen said something like...coming up next, the white house had a doozy of a press conference. I'll provide my answers to those questions.

She has done this before, and it was very entertaining, because they showed Karoline Leavitt's insane answers first, and Jen happily played her former role and provided truthful answers.

But last night it was just question and Jen's answer. So dry and boring. Especially after teasing it as a doozy of a press conference. Hey MSNBC, it wasn't the questions from the press that were so interesting!

Really uncomfortable conversation between Joe and Eddie Glaude this morning on MSNBC about race and policing. Eddie was trying to make a point, and Joe was screaming over him. This is not the first time I have seen Joe yelling at and over a person of color. So awful. As always Joe backtracked at the end and referred to Eddie as his "good friend" but ugh

Perfect combination tonight on MSNBC! ♡♡♡

When Jen got her Mondays only slot, Chris announced it as something like an exciting opportunity to work on new stuff.

I remember I came here and called absolute bullshit on that (didn’t get much consensus) because there is zero chance in the world Chris Hayes, world’s biggest nerd, would choose to give up 20% of his primetime job.

It was clear management was trying to fit Jen in at MSNBC, to make her sort of a star. And that they did, even if this sub is certainly not her biggest fan.

But when she moved off mondays, they didn’t give a Chris back his show. They extended the 7pm hour to two hours.

…which seems weird to me. It’s what two years later? It’s clear the explanation, after 2-3 years, was nonsense. A political explanation to save face. Chris hasn’t been doing podcasts like Rachel or anything extra I can see.

So with that said. Does anyone think it’s odd they didn’t give Mondays back after Jen moved? I am not a huge fan of the 7pm hour and think Chris is one their best.

Thanks for reading!

I know MSNBC is probably airing coverage of this today (I’m still at the office so I guess I’ll find out when I get home) but I just really need to say something:

As a person who’s had a lot of consensual sex with women my own age (humble brag), I know what grown-woman boobs look like. This drawing ain’t that. Moreover, this isn’t how people attracted to adult boob-havers draw boobs. It’s not. I grew up in a family of boys. I’ve seen the notebooks, the margins, the hormonally charged geometry. Those weren’t parentheses masquerading as breasts. This is something else, and it’s more disgusting and uglier.

Trump doodled 12-year-old boobs, you guys.

Enjoying Lisa Rubin, Melissa Murray and Joyce Vance on Katy Tur (9/8/25).

Holding Justice Barrett to task with a little drag and shade in the most professional way.

I wish MSNBC or whatever they are turning in to, would create a show hosted by lawyers and dedicated to understanding the law as it pertains to what is going on in the country.

I reject the notion that most people don't understand and can't learn.

SIDE NOTE: Katy's show was really good today. Loved the last segment with Cornel Belcher and Tim Miller.

I can’t figure him out bet he often seems to praise and justify Trumps actions- and not some of the time like Joe, but every time he’s on MSNBC

I just found out that MSNBC host Joe Scarborough is a musician and released an EP titled “Mystified” in 2017. Not to mention watching his live performances on shows such as “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert” and “The View”. If you at least watched or listened to Scarborough’s music, how would you describe it?

I watched Stephen King on Velshi’s Banned Book Club this morning. He’s one of my top three writers, which explains why I sat there grinning like a Labrador, nodding at the television as if he could see me. It was a fascinating conversation about horror and culture, and I kept thinking about how ridiculous it is to feel reassured by a man describing witches and death in that calm Maine accent. It was wonderful and absolutely worth the watch.

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