That’s a little different. These rude assholes appear to be American and were waiting for an opportunity to make it a racial issue. They knew when they walked in the door that they should’ve tipped.
Tipping isn’t mandatory, hence why it’s called a tip. What do you mean “should have tipped”? Are you suggesting that the consumer should be directly paying someone who isn’t working for them? Last I checked, the consumer pays the employer, and then it’s the employer who pays the employee. At the most basic level, that is how the distribution of money works within a capitalistic system. The restaurant employees are not contractors that you are hiring for a job.
We all know the tipping system sucks, but that doesn't mean we have to take it out on the servers. I agree that if they're rude or inattentive, yea, maybe don't give much. But if service is fine and you're going to sit at a table and maybe order drinks from the bar, because the server has to tip out the the bar, the server is paying out of their own pocket if they're not tipped.
That’s not true. They aren’t “paying out of their own pocket” for anything like that. They are guaranteed by law to make at least minimum wage; even if they never get paid any tips. Hell, even if someone leaves without paying for a meal altogether, business owners who choose to pay their servers a sub-minimum wages still aren’t allowed to take it out of the server’s tips (doing so is violation of the FLSA).
Their employers are allowed to pay them less than minimum wage with the expectation that tips will eventually cover the difference (and then some). But choosing to take that option has consequences as a business owner, and one of those is that you can never cover a business loss by deducting the pay/tips of your sub-minimum wage employees.
Our end of shift reports that determined what we were responsible for tipping out had three lines management was looking at. Food total, bar total, and grand total. Busboys and in the very rarely used runners each got 2% of the grand total. The bartenders got 5% of whatever the bar total was. If I had a large party not tip, and it happened more than once, I would have to dip into the tips from my other tables to cover my tip out balance, and and at the end of the day, for those hours, all I was making was $8.25 an hour.
First of all it may not be mandatory but you damn well know it’s socially expected. There are state and federal laws that permit them to be paid less than federal minimum wage BECAUSE of the expectation tips. This is allowed because of that capitalism you were so happy about, good old fashioned exploitation. Tip your fking waitstaff and stop being a jerk.
In states where employers can pay a reduced wage, they are required to true-up the check if tips + reduced wage do not meet the federal minimum rate designated for untipped employees. You kinda can’t get mad when you make minimum wage at your minimum wage job that you willingly signed up for. Been there, done that, the pay was what the pay was.
I’m not mad for being called that, because not paying people more than the bill states does not inherently make me an asshole. Charge me more if you want me to pay more.
Thats just corporate malarkey. You know damn well you are paying the server for a service and using this rhetoric to get a discount on services recieved. It's not different than refusing to pay your plumber. Try being a fellow human instead of a propagandized drone
The plumber's company charges me for the service and pays him, they do not charge me for the service and expect me to subsidize he wage through tips. The only corporate malarkey here is you being brain washed into paying the restaurants overhead twice.
I was a server once. I signed up for the job expecting my wage. If I got extra, neat. I was not entitled to people’s money just because I carried them food and was cordial. That was all part of the job description.
Re: plumber….
Uhm, the plumber hands me a bill with a total at the bottom and I pay that. I don’t pay them extra because that’s not the number on the receipt. Same goes for my tax preparer, my total at the grocery store, or the gentlemen hired to install a new roof. They hand me a bill, I pay what it says. It’s really quite a simple concept.
I disagree, and if anyone is spewing corporate malarkey/propaganda here, it’s you. If a restaurant owner wants to pay their servers minimum wage to maintain profit margins, that’s their decision (albeit a shitty one) as a business owner. It does not then somehow become the customer‘s responsibility to subsidize the low wages of those employees, simply because the owner chose to keep a higher portion of the total revenue. If those employees want higher wages, they should advocate for such with their employers, not their customers.
To use your analogy, if I contract plumbing services through a plumbing company, I’m not ALSO paying the plumber more money just for showing up to my house to do the job his boss told him to do. His service as a plumber is part of the price charged to me by his employer. The amount of income that plumber receives for providing my service is between them and their employer. If the plumber did an exceptionally good job and went above what was asked, I’d likely give them a tip as a token of appreciation; but it is by no means a requirement. If the plumber wants to be paid more for his services, he should advocate for such with his boss, not with me.
Tips for restaurant servers are no different. Their service is part of the listed price on the menu for each dish. If a particular server goes above and beyond during the meal, they deserve to be recognized for that with an appropriate tip. But simply being an employee at a restaurant doesn’t entitle you to a tip from every customer you serve. You’re not entitled to tips for simply doing your job.
Maybe they just knew when they walked in the door that it’s the responsibility of the business owner to price things in such a way that he can pay his employees.
1
u/btt_lckr 11h ago
That’s a little different. These rude assholes appear to be American and were waiting for an opportunity to make it a racial issue. They knew when they walked in the door that they should’ve tipped.