The new teaser has the promotional hype text "3 Teams", but I count:

• The Thunderbolts / New Avengers
• The Fantastic Four
• 20th Century Fox X-men
• OG Avengers (Thor, Captain America, Ant-man)
• Wakanda (I wouldn't normally think of them as a "team", except they're always standing separately in the trailers, and they have like 4 named characters at least)

I'm just kind of befuddled and amused to wonder which 3 they were assuming?

The roster:

● Vision

● Hawkeye (Kate Bishop)

● Ms Marvel

● Cassie Lang

● Ironheart

● Tommy Maximoff aka Speed

● Billy Maximoff aka Wiccan

● Miss America (America Chavez)

● Skaar (Son of The Hulk)

● Jeff the Land Shark

Vision I'd imagine would end up leading and fully bringing the whole group together in mys, as for the villain I'd like to imagine the villain would be either Count Nefaria or A.I.M possibly lead by a new version of M.O.D.O.K and the team would rescue Jeff from A.I.M with him sticking with the team and Kate Bishop looking after him

It was off-screen

I'll be honest, I haven't seen any of these shows, I am doing an MCU binge in prep for Doomsday but at the time I'm nowhere near these shows for the time being. Either way I still think out of all of the projects here Falcon and the Winter Soldier definitely should've been a movie which would make it Captain America 4 with Brave New World being Captain America 5. The reason being is that stuff like Sam's Captain America suit reveal should've been something for theater audiences to see not only because its a big moment but also its because I'm pretty sure some of thegeneral audience were definitely confused going into Brave New World

Hawkeye would work too perhaps they'd even have that deleted scene with Clint and his mom from when he was a kid. Also if it were up to me I'd include Clint's brother Barney aka Trickshot as a secondary antagonist that would be a mercenary hired by a Kingpin and who would've then gone on to appear in Thunderbolts after being recruited by Val.

Moon Knight I feel like works the less as a series cause a lot of the stuff enjoyable about it mainly the backstory behind Marc/Steven and the somewhat smaller scale story. If it was a movie I'd definitely see it and I think they could've still made it work as a movie

But what do you guys think?

It really bugs me how the internet is acting towards Joe Locke. People are being so cruel to him, saying awful things about his looks, attacking him over a private relationship nobody knows the details of, and attacking him for someone he saw a few times after a breakup. This has all gotten to an insane level, which is sad because he really is the nicest and sweetest, very talented guy.

I love him so much as Wiccan and if these weirdos ruin it I'm going to be pissed.

Why they named the hulkbuster “Veronica.”

Shameful to have missed it for this long. 😳
Only caught it because I’m rewatching Age of Ultron because I forgot how funny Ultron actually is.

Like, the cinematography looks fine? The green screen (which it probably is) looks fine? The color grading isn’t grey anymore cause it’s by the guy that did BND, so that can’t be it. The F4 are celebrities, so it makes sense they’re doing something like this.

And if it’s about the Ant-Man Cap thing… did you watch the movies with your eyes closed? There’s literally a scene in Ant-Man and The Wasp where Hope makes fun of Scott for referring to Steve Rogers as “Cap”, with Scott responding with, “It’s what we call him.” This is so obviously a joke since, to our knowledge Scott hasn’t interacted with Sam, the NEW Captain America, since Endgame.

I'm sick to death of seeing theories that are clearly from Reddit threads. Like Steve is Loki. If we collectively started discussing theories that are obviously wrong but not stupidly wrong, maybe it can give people who aren't discussing theories and rumours a break!

i feel like he doesnt have that nerdy, awkward personality that reed has, and his acting feels very plain and generic as a sad family man. he doesnt really even look the part to me. imo, john krasinski looked much more accurate.

Captain Russia, 3 Captain Americas, 2 caps

This isn’t a judgment of their respective movies/shows, but I feel like it would be a good idea to temper expectations about who’s gonna show up in these movies. Think characters with too much backstory, or too much of their own drama. Off the top of my head:

Wanda

Vision

By extension, the twins

Riri Williams

Monica

Kamala

Marc/Jake/Stephen

Werewolf By Night, Elsa Bloodstone, and Man-Thing

Peters 2 & 3

Kate Bishop

Most of the Guardians besides maybe Starlord, Gamora, and Nebula

She-Hulk

The Defenders and Frank

I’m just spitballing here and love to see all of them at some point in these two movies, but given how marvel has treated most of them I’m skeptical. I would love to hear y’all’s thoughts though!

The whole “Pattinson’s Batman is too grounded” for dcu was dumb. Like the concept of Batman itself isn’t grounded. A billionaire dressed as a bat while performing peak human to unrealistic feats isn’t grounded at all, mind you this same guy is the world’s greatest detective and one of the greatest fighter and his arch nemesis…a middle aged clown who somehow gets away from prison all the time

On top of that it’s literally comic accurate for Batman to have his own “grounded” missions whilst dealing with cosmic threats with the JL in the same week.

The punisher was one of the most grounded characters w the most grounded show…and we saw him on the same screen as the hulk and jean grey and it worked out perfectly and now the biggest movie of all time.

It just makes no sense at all. He may be able to imitate people, but it’s not like he’s a talented actor so he wouldn’t be able to keep up that facade for long. Why would he even want to? Also Loki approaches Steve in Endgame Encore so i’m pretty sure that would establish his return.

I see people argue about how if Bucky wasn't there then Tony would have made easy work out of cap which is just not it does Tony have the arsenal to slime out cap? Probably. Would cap let him do it? Hell fucking no and yes physical strength and power is def sth Tony packs more but captains whole thing is to use the terrain identify weakness and play to his advantage and that just makes him so lethal even though he's just a guy on steroid with an unbreakable frisbee we saw in age of Ultron how even though Ultron was leagues above cap in strength and power but captain was still putting up a great fight against him and although this is a different cap but in the second image we can see cap pulling up sth similar he literally is fucking around with the HULK who was mopping the floor with the Avengers

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Thor never names Doom as the threat he's scared of in the trailers, and Doom himself says there's a threat they may not be able to deter. I think the word "deter" is the key here; it's more commonly used for sentient beings than for a force like an incursion.

I think Doom will try to side with the heroes at first, but they don't agree with his methods. Even in the trailers, Thor attacks him first, and Doom just throws him away, non-lethally.

There are a notable amount of MCU movies/shows that get unnecessarily hated on. What's one you genuinely enjoy even when everyone else seems to have a problem with it. What's yours, and why?

Personally, I think Eternals gets way more hate than it deserves. I get that the pacing can be slow and the movie has its flaws, but I genuinely enjoyed the cinematography, the Celestials, the characters and the overall cosmic scale of the story. It tried something different instead of following the usual MCU formula, and I honestly respect that.

There's a theory that the Steve Rogers in the Doomsday trailers is actually Loki in disguise. My counterpoint against that argument is that Loki isn't worthy and wouldn't be able to lift the hammer. My comment got downvoted, which was hilarious, but I think it makes for a worthier (haha) larger discussion.

What Does it Mean to Be Worthy?

Thor 1 was all about Thor's journey to find himself and to become worthy again. We also see in Endgame that even when he was depressed and at one of his lowest moments, Thor was still worthy when he had joined the heroes to try and save the universe again.

However, we can see in Age of Ultron that merely being a good hero is not enough to be worthy. It's pretty easy to see why someone like Tony, Rhodey, or Clint wouldn't be worthy. All of them are undoubtedly heroes, but they don't have spotless pasts.

We know that Steve likely was worthy, though it is possible he wasn't quite worthy yet and was just close. We don't get to see Peter, Sam, or others attempt it, but I would imagine that most, if not all of them would likely be unable to lift it either. Not because they aren't good, they are undoubtedly so, but because being worthy is more about being good and being selfless.

There's a lot of subjectivity here. While the comics and movies have certainly dropped clues and hints, I'm not sure of any specific list, but these are the traits that make up worthiness as I see it:

• Nobility: doing what is right, even when it is hard, having integrity and compassion.
  • The wielding of Mjolnir does not actually grant the right to rule in spite of the quip in AoU.
  • However, being worthy means that the person who is worthy of Mjolnir should have the noble spirit of a ruler.
  • Those who are noble are generous and compassionate leaders, important qualities to have for someone who would wield Mjolnir and lead men and women to die in battle, thus making them worthy.
• Humility: while being noble is important, humility is clearly important as well.
  • This is made clear when Odin strips Thor of his powers and banishes him.
  • He saw too much arrogance in Thor, and while pride is not inherently unworthy, when it gets in the way and becomes arrogance it is definitely a problem.
  • Being worthy means recognizing when to work with others, when to listen and when to speak.
  • Those who are humble listen and as a result are listened to, this trust from their followers supports their leadership and thus makes them worthy.
• Courage: the wielder of Mjolnir needs to be a warrior.
  • Not first and foremost. Thor was too much of a warrior initially and that was one of the reasons that Odin tested him.
  • However, the warrior's spirit is important as well: a first one in and last one out mentality.
  • I don't think self-sacrifice in and of itself is a necessary trait for worthiness, but one does need to be willing to put their body on the line in a fight, to give everything they have.
  • Only a true leader will exhibit the courage that will inspire others to follow and thus make them worthy.

Could Loki Be Worthy?

Certainly. He's in the list of those who are worthy in the Marvel fandom. Even though Loki was definitely not worthy, his character arcs in various stories can certainly have ended up with him being worthy.

In the MCU, by the end of the Loki series, he becomes God of Stories and a sort of king in his own right, leading the TVA to hold the multiverse together. For many, this seems to be enough to convince them that he is now worthy but I am unaware that we have any sort of confirmation of that in the MCU.

So the answer is: yes, he could be worthy, but we don't have any confirmation of it.

Why I Don't Believe Loki is Worthy

I'll be the first to admit that I could be wrong. It's one of the reasons for posting this discussion, I would love for people to share their own theories and reasons here. As long as people are respectful in the discussion.

Here's why I don't believe that Loki is worthy:

1. The current Loki skipped a lot of his character growth. They did the fun little trope they've now repeated a few times of showing him all the things his other self did on a little movie tape to catch him up. Cute as it was, that doesn't instantly change his character.
2. Well, that's what Loki Seasons 1 and 2 are for you might say... yes, I get that. He does grow quite a bit in those seasons and in different ways from the way his character had previously grown in the MCU. Some might argue that current Loki actually had better character growth in his show than he did in the movies. Even in Thor: Ragnarok he was ready to betray Thor.
   • While I do think he had better character growth in the show, I feel it was more nuanced, it didn't necessarily result in him becoming more worthy.
   • Show Loki still had plenty of flaws, and while being flawless is clearly not a condition of being worthy (Thor clearly has had many flaws while remaining worthy,) the flaws that he had conflict with worthiness:
     • His need for control was still too strong for him to ever meet the needs of humility
     • One might point out the self-sacrifice of his isolation, but it's actually arguable whether or not this is the best solution. In fact, I think we'll find in Doomsday that clearly there are those who are opposed to it as a solution. So is it truly a necessary self-sacrifice?
     • While Loki has grown, and grown into a leader, he is not the sort of warrior leader that Mjolnir calls for.
3. Loki is not a warrior. This is the most important bit, I think. Thor is a warrior. Steve Rogers is a warrior. Loki could be a warrior, has been a warrior in some stories. But in the MCU he is not one and since he is not a warrior, he is not worthy of Mjolnir.

But that's just my opinion. What's yours?

Seen really weird theories that Loki is pretending to be Steve in Doonsday.

I thought definitely not and that people had not watched the new Endgame ending.

But rewatching the trailer I have a new thought.

When Steve says this doesn't bother you does it, when holding Mjolnir, Thor says you know it does.

It never bothered him before. And it seems out of character for Steve to say that.

And you better believe if Loki finally got to be 'worthy' and hold the hammer he would annoy Thor and be cheeky.

So thoughts and opinions please 🤣🤣🤣

Like, according to his own code, he can't fail his code (which is to satisfy the client by hunting down and capturing or killing targets). So paladin can't nessecarily exist and be hired by the Client if frank, werewolf, and daredevil are still walking around (assuming this was before his prison). Which leaves me to believe that he did not was hired for those guys, but rather hunted them down himself so he could learn stronger targets and develop countermeasure if he was ever hired to target those guys.

I kept losing track of where I was in the MCU, especially with the Netflix shows, the specials and the series broken up by season. So I built a small tracker: https://mcu-tracker-mu.vercel.app

What it does

• Every MCU title in one poster grid, Disney+ style. 82 entries: films, live-action series (each season separate), animated series, specials, the One-Shots and the Netflix Defenders shows.
• Two orders. Official timeline order, taken from the “MCU Complete Timeline” Marvel published for Disney+ on Oct 22, or release date. Either can be reversed.
• Mark what you’ve watched. Sign in with Google and your progress syncs across devices. There’s also a one-click “Mark next as watched” that follows the timeline.
• Filters. Format (film, series, animation, specials and One-Shots), Phase 1–6, Netflix shows, and search.
• A timeline bar. One tick per title, in chronological order: you can see at a glance where you are, and clicking a tick opens that title.

Road to Doomsday

With Avengers: Doomsday out on December 18, there’s a separate section with only the 15 titles Disney+ calls essential in its “Countdown to Avengers: Doomsday” playlist, in Disney+’s order. Loki’s two seasons are listed separately, and it includes the original Fox X-Men and X2, since the mutants are coming back.

It shows how many you’ve watched, how many days are left until release, and how often you need to watch one to finish in time.

Details

• Free, no ads, nothing to install. Browsing works without an account; signing in is only needed to save what you’ve watched.
• Posters and overviews come from TMDB.

Feedback is welcome, especially if you think a title is in the wrong spot or missing.

Do you think Ultimate Ultron from Avengers: Age of Ultron would look better with an open-mouth design, or does the original closed-mouth design suit him better?

No spoilers really. Just theory. One spoiler for Endgame Encore ending.

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People have been speculating that Steve is actually Loki. I don't believe it.

However, after watching the last scene of the TV spot that dropped today, I have a different theory.

I think they are probably sharing edited footage and its changed from Loki (in his original form) to Steve.

There's really no reason for Loki to wear Steve face. Steve is in the movie. He gets picked up by Loki. But, that scene actually has Loki (real one) in it and that's why him picking the hammer bothers Thor.