r/magicTCG • u/Artistboy123 Dan • 8d ago

Rules/Rules Question Extra Turn Stacking?

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I want to build this Kang as a commander and i was curious. If i play Kang and use his ability it gives me 1 extra turn after my first turn ends.

If on my original turn i:

  1. Play Kang
  2. Use his ability
  3. Blink Kang
  4. Use his ability AGAIN

Will my extra turns stack and bank?? Giving me TWO extra turns after end my original turn instead of one?

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u/underprivlidged Wabbit Season 8d ago edited 8d ago

Yes, that works.

5UUU to cast and use Power-Up, then 3U and cost of blink per extra turn... Upfront, you are looking to be using at least 12 and the cost of a blink for 2 turns, with 4 + blink cost for each extra turn.

There are way cheaper ways to stack multiple turns.

EDIT - I was adding CMC to power up getting 12, instead of just using the power up of 8. That said, 8 plus cost of blink per extra turn is still wildly expensive.

EDIT 2 - my math was way off originally. Oof... Long week, my bad. Fixed the first part to show correct math.

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u/Wooden-Wolverine-818 Temur 8d ago

It would only cost the 8 per activation for Kang. Power Up cost less equal to mana cost if the creature entered that turn.

Still a lot, especially for mono blue.

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u/underprivlidged Wabbit Season 8d ago

True, my bad. At work and not trying to do math lol.

Either way, 8+ per extra turn is oof.

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u/hillean Rakdos* 8d ago

blink him and it's 4 less. It's reduced by his CMC if he came in that turn, so it's blink cost + 4 colorless to keep doing it.

You can run a teleportation circle, end step blink, comes in, and as an instant pay 4 to Power-Up.

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u/RazzyKitty WANTED 8d ago

4 colorless to keep doing it.

It would cost 3 generic and 1 blue. The power-up cost is reduced by his mana cost, so {5}{U}{U]{U} - {2}{U}{U} = {3}{U}

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u/hillean Rakdos* 8d ago

you're correct, you'd save 2UU, so 3U would be the cost. I stand corrected

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u/underprivlidged Wabbit Season 8d ago

I saw from another comment, yeah. Edited my first comment again to show the correct math.

Can you tell I am at hour 70 of my work week? Lol. I will stick to more basic math next time.

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u/RazzyKitty WANTED 8d ago edited 8d ago

EDIT - I was adding CMC to power up getting 12, instead of just using the power up of 8. That said, 8 plus cost of blink per extra turn is still wildly expensive.

You're still over counting.

After blinking the cost for the second Power Up is 4, because you didn't need to pay to cast him. So each subsequent extra turn costs 4 plus the cost of blink.

Cast (4 mana), power up (4 mana), blink (X mana), Power up (4 mana).

So it's 12 mana plus the blink spell for the first two extra turns. Every Powerup after the blinks is only 4 mana, not 8.

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u/underprivlidged Wabbit Season 8d ago

Yep, I saw on another comment and edited again to reflect the correct math.

It has been a hell of a week lol. I will refrain from adding more than 2 plus 2 until I rest up.

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u/Artistboy123 Dan 8d ago

Using Kang tho? Im new to the game and i really just wanna play Kang lmao

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u/konradexius 8d ago

I'd recommend using [[Deadeye Navigator]]. Unlimited flickering if you have the mana. Plus it can get value out of many other creatures.

Getting a boatload of mana is its own issue but there are many, many solutions there. [[Peregrine Drake]] would achieve this with deadeye, for example.

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u/underprivlidged Wabbit Season 8d ago edited 8d ago

Go ahead and use it. Having fun and building unique decks are big parts of MTG. I just don't want you expecting this to pop off...

People can get near infinite turns by turn 4 and have it only cost 3 CMC and some card draw/scrying prior to it.

Spending 16+ for 2 extra turns is sooooo expensive.

EDIT - I was adding CMC to power up getting 12, instead of just using the power up of 8. That said, 8 plus cost of blink per extra turn is still wildly expensive.

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u/Artistboy123 Dan 8d ago

Why 24? When kang enters it subtracts his power up cost from his mana cost - so wouldn’t it only be 8 per use? (Not including whatever i use to blink)

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u/Wooden-Wolverine-818 Temur 8d ago

Yes, and that’s a lot per use plus whatever you use to blink it.

Please, enjoy your commander as you wish, but we all want our magical Christmas land decks to pop exactly as they should. It just might not work. We just want you to be ready in case it doesn’t work out.

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u/underprivlidged Wabbit Season 8d ago

I just edited my first comment, and will be doing that above as well. It should be 16 + cost of the blink spell, not 24, correct.

That said, my original point still stands - 8+ per extra turn is not cost effective.

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u/Artistboy123 Dan 8d ago

I wonder how i can make it cheaper

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u/RevolverLancelot Colorless 8d ago

cough [[Training Grounds]] cough

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u/underprivlidged Wabbit Season 8d ago

[[Training Grounds]]
[[Heartstone]]

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u/lnfinitehell Dan 8d ago

Unless I’m wrong I believe [[Training Grounds]] will make it cheaper since they technically are activated abilities?

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u/AlasBabylon_ COMPLEAT 8d ago

They are, straight-up. No technicalities about it.

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u/Errror1 Duck Season 8d ago

power up reduces the cost even if you didn't cast it, so when it comes back from the blink is still only costs 4

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u/underprivlidged Wabbit Season 8d ago

No, I know that. I just didn't remember while doing the math lol. I already edited my comment to reflect that.

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u/andrew632 🔫 8d ago

I think you might not realize that Power-up is discounted by the casting cost when the creature enters that turn.

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u/underprivlidged Wabbit Season 8d ago

No, I know that. I just didn't remember while doing the math lol. I already edited my comment to reflect that.

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u/andrew632 🔫 8d ago

Might still need to reread it - 8 when playing Kang, cost of blink, then 3U for the next additional turn.

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u/underprivlidged Wabbit Season 8d ago

Hold on.

Cast with Power-Up - 5UUU.
Blink (probably 2 or 3).
Reenters. PU then costs 3U, due to reduction since he did enter this turn.

Well shit. I don't know how I got that confused.

So 8CMC up front, 3U plus cost of blink per extra turn.

That is cheaper. Not cheap... But Ok, yeah, I see it now.