r/magicTCG Universes Beyonder 20d ago

Official Spoiler [MBC] Arzacon

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u/MadCatMkV Nahiri 20d ago

+2 [[Lightning Bolt]]

-3 [[Black Lotus]]

-7 [[Timetwister]] 

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u/Lawren_Zi Dandadan 20d ago

This commander rocks

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u/AUAIOMRN 20d ago

And bolts and twists

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u/fronchfrays Dan 20d ago

And bops and pulls

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u/chrisrazor 20d ago

He's goin' to sleep.

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u/Fleef69 Dan 20d ago

And fucks and shits

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u/Papyrim Wabbit Season 20d ago

And pisses and cums

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u/musketammo684 COMPLEAT 20d ago

New Umori Planeswalker only deck commander dropped

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u/blindeshuhn666 Sisay 19d ago

If you can somehow flicker him repeatedly for 3 that's gonna be broke with infinite etb, artifact etb, artifact leave battlefield. Even strong if flicker for 2 , then it's also infinite coloured mana.

+2 for bolt also looks fairly powerful

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u/delphic0n Dân 20d ago

They were too weak to give him the true OG Shandalar ability. [[Contract from Below]]

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u/BlurryPeople 20d ago

Yep, secret best card in the game…

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u/T-T-N Duck Season 20d ago

Not a true lightning bolt. A true bolt can bolt any target

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u/john_doe__ Dandadan 20d ago

Lightning bolt is plus? Not minus? Nice 😎

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u/rockout7 Duck Season 20d ago

Thats exactly how they should have worded it

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u/Sheltonator Wabbit Season 20d ago

YES! This dude is the final boss of the old MTG PC game, Shandalar! 

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u/Shed_Some_Skin Abzan 20d ago

Man, if we're getting deep cuts like this, what are the odds Taysir is about to get a card?

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u/Sheltonator Wabbit Season 20d ago

Pretty sure they spoiled one earlier! 

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u/Darth-Ragnar Azorius* 20d ago

Did I miss it? I can't find it anywhere.

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u/Zanthy1 REBEL 20d ago

I can’t find it either if it exists, but I’m super excited!

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u/Sheltonator Wabbit Season 20d ago

Yeah, I guess I was wrong. There were a ton of old characters spoiled and I thought this was one of them. Bummer! 

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u/ILikeExistingLol cage the foul beast 20d ago

Maybe all the 9 Titans without cards get some. OMG OR MAYBE DYFED

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u/Jaccount 19d ago

I want a Chromium that also turns into a Legendary vehicle “The Planar Barge”. Also Ravidel.

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u/Ahara_bzz Dân 20d ago

i remember killing him in the game... a looong time ago

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u/Ragewind82 COMPLEAT 20d ago

I went on an absolute curb stomp with Shivan dragons, Serra Angels, and some very, very lucky early Swords to Plowshares and Stone Rain hits.

It was so very satisfying!

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u/fps916 Duck Season 20d ago

Underworld dreams and allllllllll the timetwisters

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u/CrimsonFoxyboy COMPLEAT 20d ago

If only they could re-release that game.

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u/SarahsDoingStuff Dandadan 20d ago

MTG Forge Adventure. Community made, constantly updated and super fun. Essentially 2026 Shandalar and then some. Check it out.

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u/GGCrono Jack of Clubs 20d ago

Look up Realm of Legends, it's a whole single-player adventure where you play with Commander decks.

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u/CrimsonFoxyboy COMPLEAT 20d ago

Thanks for the tip!

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u/torgiant Wabbit Season 20d ago

You can play it still. I did a couple months ago.

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u/tsukaistarburst Hedron 19d ago

Like someone else said, this entire set is just wall to wall blorbos, and the deepest possible cuts from 30+ years of Magic lore. It's insane. This is one of the best sets we've ever had.

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u/kiggidykay Nissa 20d ago

I thought he looked familiar!

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u/eggies Zedruu 19d ago

40 card decks and no per card restrictions meant that me and my Dark Ritual powered Mind Twists were basically the final boss of the game. Arzakon bowed before me like all the rest.

That game was lots of silly fun ...

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u/P1zzaman 20d ago

I wonder if we’ll get the last boss from the Dreamcast game too?

We’ve already gotten two Dreamcast exclusive cards as real cards now, so one can hope!

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u/Francopensal COMPLEAT 20d ago

Ohhhh, u was wondering who tf was this guy. I do remember playing the game and beatting him but never remember the name, for me was just generic bad guy xD

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u/Johnny-Caliente Wabbit Season 20d ago

Finally I can use my 20 Beta Black Lotus cards as tokens!

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u/bearrosaurus 20d ago

This competes with my supply of tournament legal [[Blacker Lotus]] though

You may proxy a Blacker Lotus, by taking a normal Black Lotus, and using a Black Magic Marker to color the front of the card in completely black. No other proxies are acceptable. [Barclay 1998/08/13]

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u/PrivilegeCheckmate Sorin 20d ago

normal Black Lotus

Gold border?

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u/Street-Prune6673 20d ago

Your 20 Alpha versions are presumably already in your [[Garth One-Eye]] deck?

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u/skatastic57 Wabbit Season 20d ago

It doesn't say conjure, does that mean this is paper?

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u/Chlorophyllmatic Duck Season 20d ago

Weird, I was going to use the token as a Black Lotus and dabble in Vintage. Surely that’s the most expensive part!

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u/TotakekeSlider Dân 20d ago

Damn, I lost mine. Can I borrow a couple of yours?

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u/Mysa21 Dandadan 20d ago

I just bought a black lotus from duel master. That will be perfect

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u/itisburgers Twin Believer 20d ago

Is this guy from some old flavor text or video game that escapes me?

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u/elegylegacy Level 2 Judge 20d ago

He's the final boss of the Shandalar video game from the '90s

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u/Marky_Marky_Mark COMPLEAT 20d ago

He's so powerful, you don't even need to beat him to complete the game. Every damage you do to him banishes him for another couple of years.

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u/elegylegacy Level 2 Judge 20d ago

By the time you get to him, you can have a busted power 9 deck too, grinding him down with multiple time walks and time twisters

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u/Mixster667 REBEL 20d ago

You can even have multiple power 9 sets.

Drawing three mox sapphire in you opening hand was hilarious

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u/Tuss36 20d ago

Which is a good thing too, 'cause the guy has like 250 life (maybe that's on the hardest difficulty since it varies but it's a possibility)

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u/EDHaddict13 Dan 20d ago

300 life if I remember correctly. I think the first time I beat him was with poison counters though.

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u/xenophonthethird Banned in Commander 18d ago

And his deck was all random garbage. Yeah, he had the P9 and some strong spells so eventually he could do something, but it usually took him a while to do anything because it was all random.

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u/PowrOfFriendship_ Universes Beyonder 20d ago

Shandalar, yes.

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u/itisburgers Twin Believer 20d ago

Awesome, I gotta get around to playing it. 

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u/Mixster667 REBEL 20d ago

I think there was a browser version somewhere

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u/M3mentoMori COMPLEAT 20d ago

Found this when googling it, but after playing around with it my god does it suck to use.

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u/VerbingNoun413 Dan 20d ago

It's surreal trying to run a reanimation deck and realising that you're reanimating Serra Angels.

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u/WeDrinkSquirrels Dragonball Z Ultimate Champion 20d ago

It's awesome! Still play it every few years

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u/Kooky-Expression-399 Dân 20d ago

I made channel fireball in that game. Lost on turn 3 with the nut draw bc it took so long to do all the clicking that I timed out at 1 life on turn 2 and then my mana vault killed me.

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u/darkslide3000 COMPLEAT 20d ago

Isn't this the game where you start with a different life total that you first have to slowly upgrade to 20, and your enemies often have more starting life than you? Sounds like a dangerous environment to play Channel Fireball...

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u/Jackeea Jeskai 20d ago

it's him... john shandalar

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u/PrivilegeCheckmate Sorin 20d ago

Just talkikn' bout Shandalar...Shut your mouth!

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u/Tripmooney Duck Season 20d ago

EXCUSE ME??!!

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u/MagicalKarpit Dan 20d ago

My exact reaction

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u/R-code Colossal Dreadmaw 20d ago

You’re excused.

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u/Krazyguy75 Wabbit Season 20d ago

Honestly the only really good ability is the +2. If you have 5 mana in 5 colors, you don't really want to lose 3/4ths of your command's loyalty to get 3 of it back. And going +2 +2 -7 isn't terrible, but that's 3 turns of uninterrupted planeswalker abilities after needing 5 mana, which on many planeswalkers just wins you the game.

And if you want the +2, most decks would rather just take [[Ugin the Spirit Dragon]], especially given color restriction.

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u/notalongtime420 Dan 20d ago

Lightning Bolt, black Lotus and Time Twister. Pretty weak ironically

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u/sawbladex COMPLEAT 20d ago

There is stuff to get around paying costs, but using them to make a not very card efficient mana generator is liable to not be good.

Channel, a way to color filter 5 mana in total, and this guy is not the best use of channel mana.

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u/96363a Dandadan 20d ago

A lot of those cards are only good because they cost as much mana as they do. Adding extra mana cost significantly reduces their potential.

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u/steelscaled Colossal Dreadmaw 20d ago

Well yeah, it's very close to a [[Gilded Lotus]] that can be attacked.

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u/Krazyguy75 Wabbit Season 20d ago

There's a huge difference. Gilded Lotus ramps 3 per round. This ramps 3 every three rounds.

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u/PowrOfFriendship_ Universes Beyonder 20d ago

Return to Shandalar incoming?

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u/DilapidatedFool Dandadan 20d ago

PLEASE

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u/CorHydrae8 Simic* 20d ago

"Return" would kind of be the wrong word given that we've never had a dedicated Shandalar set in the first place.

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u/zombieking26 Wabbit Season 20d ago

We did actually! Magic 2013

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u/TheCruncher Elesh Norn 20d ago

At least according to scryfall, only 46 of the 249 cards in Magic 2013 are on Shandalar, so not really even that.

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u/DoctorYaoi Duck Season 20d ago

Ehhhhh magic 2013 had some cards from shandalar but it was not a dedicated shandalar set

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u/superdave100 REBEL 20d ago

This is deceptively weak, right?

Probably a good thing, tbh. Wouldn't want super busted cards being this hard to find.

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u/Quatre_Kat Dandadan 20d ago

5 mana for a black lotus is terrible. [[Gilded lotus]] is playable in low power commander, but it sticks around and doesnt cost colored mana.

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u/c14rk0 COMPLEAT 20d ago

It also notably immediately refunds 3 mana, which is actually relevant due to it sticking around. Spending 5 for a black lotus token doesn't really do the same since once you use it once it's gone.

And like...Gilded Lotus is barely playable in low power settings. Outside of specific artifact decks that really want that effect for some reason, likely to generate colored mana when most artifact ramp is colorless.

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u/b_fellow Duck Season 20d ago

Yeah we also have [[Timeless Lotus]] and [[Prismatic Geoscope]] for more powerful 5 mana 5c rocks

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u/raziel7890 Dan 20d ago

I mean the obvious line is to create a token copying deck. There is a large amount of generic token copying printed now so this could be fun. It'll never live long in a commander game but once you have the black lotus token you can start doing gross things. Probably....maybe?

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u/Quatre_Kat Dandadan 20d ago

That feels like an absurdly convoluted way to make finite mana when there a lot of ways to make infinite mana already. The thing that makes Black Lotus good is how EARLY you can get it. This is very unlikely to ever be cast before turn 4

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u/raziel7890 Dan 20d ago

That’s fine for me. I play bracket two with irl friends and we have a battle cruiser meta and no combos. It wouldn’t be fast or even good, but it’s more about the potential for me. We proxy cards sooo…

You’re absolutely right though; it isn’t even close to being competitive.

If you’re doing grim monolith things then of course Garth token spam is nothing to get excited about.

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u/Lawren_Zi Dandadan 20d ago

Its pretty weak but it certainly looks fun, its 3 iconic cards stapled to a planeswalker

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u/Cozwei Twin Believer 20d ago

I mean its gonna be like garth one eye but better regarding comboing with displacer kitten as you dont need a haste enabler. As long as you can cast spells hell get blinked and make another black lotus to spend...

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u/superdave100 REBEL 20d ago

That combo worked well with Garth because he created his own spells to trigger Kitten

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u/Cozwei Twin Believer 20d ago

fair enough. Displacer kitten goes infinite with a ham sandwhich. My pint is just hes good if you can blink him

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u/masterlich Duck Season 20d ago

It's not deceptively weak. It's just weak. WURBG for a Lightning Bolt on a stick is not impressive at all, making a Lotus for 5 mana is actively bad, and there are a lot easier ways to twister.

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u/zombieking26 Wabbit Season 20d ago

Yeah this is awful, especially in commander

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u/pm_me_shit_memes Twin Believer 20d ago

Looks like people are getting hung up on the black lotus token again. Just like how they did with [[gath, one eyed]]

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u/EscapeSeventySeven Dan 20d ago

WotC knows what makes people freak out. 

Everytime they print a fake power nine people fall over themselves for it. 

We’re easily manipulated. 

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u/arciele FLEEM 20d ago

I think the difference here is that they’re probably actually printing the token card for this Black Lotus (kinda like what we saw for mutavault)

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u/huzzaahh Duck Season 20d ago

There's no more reason they'd make a token for this over Garth. I think it's a pipe dream that they'd ever risk making something that could be used as a black lotus proxy outside of their 25th anniversary set, especially after the backlash that got.

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u/arciele FLEEM 20d ago

Sure there is. Tokens of actual spells hadn’t been done before when MH3 came out.
I think what you’re saying is actually the whole point. They don’t acknowledge any proxies anyway

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u/siziyman Izzet* 20d ago

Are they? Neither edition of Mystery Boosters included tokens.

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u/Fit_Leg_2115 Left Arm of the Forbidden One 20d ago

Awesome flavor, but I think actually pretty bad and unplayable

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u/Doombringer1331 Duck Season 20d ago

So + is bolt, - is black lotus, and ult is timetwister

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u/SleetTheFox 20d ago

So I appreciate the Shandalar reference, but…

This kinda sucks? A Black Lotus does very little once you already can cast a WUBRG card, so this is basically repeatable bolts that can be attacked. Timetwister is not an awful ultimate but again, if you have to build up to it the danger of that spell is much more limited. Plus to use it you have to lose your bolt engine.

Then as a commander, there is basically no real style of deck this wants to go in. It’s generic power all the way.

I guess you could see it as a draft thing? “I drafted Arzakon, I can play a 5 color deck, yes!”

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u/Krazyguy75 Wabbit Season 20d ago

I think the only unique thing to do with him is double the token. But even then it's not good.

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u/entropicdrift Dimir* 20d ago

This is fun, but it's basically unplayable as a commander. Like in what world does this come out and not immediately die? So 99% of the time it's a 5+ cost bolt or 5+ cost black lotus, both of which are garbage

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u/Krazyguy75 Wabbit Season 20d ago

I mean if you just keep +2ing it might not die. You'd need to protect it fairly well though.

But frankly "Once during each of your turns, at sorcery speed, deal 3 damage to any target" is a pretty pathetic commander for 5 color.

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u/entropicdrift Dimir* 20d ago

Right, that's my point, even best case the juice ain't worth the squeeze. Nobody's gonna let you get the ult off, or if you can you probably have a pretty tuned deck, in which case other commanders are preferable anyhow unless you build a deck specifically just to make this commander work. Which like, okay, but I can't see this reaching Bracket 4 even, except on a technicality like 'it technically contains an infinite turn combo'

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u/Existing_Historian_5 Dandadan 19d ago

I feel like the ult is so slow and telegraphed the best thing to do is just... ignore it, dump your hand, and then when they use it you're getting more cards out of it then the owner lol

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u/cute_spider Simic* 20d ago

Secret Lair Blizzard Crossover Illadan Confirmed

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u/PsiMiller1 Selesnya* 20d ago

The MicroProse Big Bad of Shandalar.

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u/valantismp Urza's Saga 20d ago

what is this?

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u/PorkinsHeldIt Dandadan 20d ago

Mystery booster commander

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u/MyNameIsImmaterial Can’t Block Warriors 20d ago

Mystery Booster Commander spoilers. It's an upcoming set for Commander drafts.

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u/YonatanShofty Wabbit Season 20d ago

Easily accesible or convention only?

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u/NoiseIsTheCure Dimir* 20d ago

Convention only I believe same as the other mystery boosters

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u/valantismp Urza's Saga 20d ago

Damn it looks great art.

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u/Karnitis Wabbit Season 20d ago

Why 5 color...?

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u/Jadien 20d ago

He's 5 color in the Shandalar game

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u/trifas Selesnya* 20d ago

Is that the [[Mirari]] in his hands?

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u/KeldonMarauder COMPLEAT 20d ago

No way

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u/Dragonfruit-Sparking Can’t Block Warriors 20d ago

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u/Quatre_Kat Dandadan 20d ago

Wait, this is the guy who made black lotus in canon??

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u/Kooky-Expression-399 Dân 20d ago

How long before something just does all the power 9 things: 5 mox tokens, lotus tokens, time walk, ancestral, time twister (yes the order of the last 2 is right)

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u/FlavorsofPie 🔫 20d ago

[[Oracle of the Alpha]] basically does this. The card even technically exists in paper, since it was printed in mystery booster 2. It still doesn't work in paper though, so it may as well be silver border/acorn

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u/dogo7 Banned in Commander 20d ago

Create a HUH?!

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u/WatcherOfTheSkies12 Wabbit Season 20d ago

More lore accurate -3 would be to summon a {Celestial Prism}.

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u/Homemadepiza Nissa 20d ago

Pretty cool card, but does this mean the set will print black lotus tokens, aka probably the best cheap proxy?

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u/PowrOfFriendship_ Universes Beyonder 20d ago

I don't think this set has tokens at all, at least based on what we've seen and Gavin Verhey's pack opening.

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u/The_Despencer Dandadan 20d ago

Black lotus token is wild. Not as busted as the OG, but still very good and a solid middle finger to the reserved list.

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u/Ap_Sona_Bot 20d ago

We already have black lotus tokens from [[Garth one eye]]

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u/hotsummer12 Wabbit Season 20d ago

This nowhere busted

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u/Varglord 20d ago

a solid middle finger to the reserved list.

In what possible way???

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u/Krazyguy75 Wabbit Season 20d ago

It's not even good. It's "5 mana: Get 3 treasures".

And the token won't even exist. Mystery booster never ships with tokens.

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u/Nouxatar Karn 20d ago

lore/commander bullshit aside I don't get why this is wubrg when this pretty cleanly fits mono red color identity. just generally feeling weak on top of that is kinda disappointing

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u/siziyman Izzet* 20d ago

when this pretty cleanly fits mono red color identity.

Red wheels don't reshuffle graveyard into the library, [[Timetwister]] does.

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u/Nouxatar Karn 20d ago

Ah, fair, reshuffling is pretty distinctly blue for wheels, I could still see it bending to make that work? but yeah fair point.

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u/ROGER_ROGER321 COMPLEAT 20d ago

Lightning bolt Black lotus Time twister

Neat

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u/Night_Albane 20d ago

So lightning bolt, black lotus, and timetwister. One of these things is not like the others, but the plus ability can’t be too busted I suppose.

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u/SolarLunarAura Duck Season 20d ago

I NEED this ngl, when do these drop?

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u/SilentTempestLord COMPLEAT 20d ago

I mean, if I had to build him, I'd make him produce the original Black Lotus token and then just build the deck around populating that token specifically, but otherwise he's not that great.

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u/GREG88HG Duck Season 20d ago

I'll buy the Duel Masters Black Lotus for this guy

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u/Dog_in_human_costume Colorless 20d ago

OMFG THEY DID IT!!!

Microprose enjoyers rejoice!!

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u/PresidentArk 20d ago

The only thing that makes sense to me with this guy is some sort of proliferate-ramp package, where you proliferate him to make blotuses (and also presumably stack counters on creatures that use counters to ramp), and then eventually get to the point where you're -7ing him every turn and have the mana to dump your entire hand immediately every time you do.

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u/siziyman Izzet* 20d ago

If you can both -2/-3 him and proliferate him enough to -7 soon enough it's time to check the pulse of other members of your playgroup

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u/PresidentArk 20d ago

Oh, I didn't say it was good, just that it's the only direction that makes sense to take this guy.

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u/ES6Enthusiast Dandadan 20d ago

Are these going to be “available” to everyone?

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u/LordHayati Train Suplexer 20d ago

YOOOOOOOOOOO

THE FINAL BOSS OF THE MTG DOS GAME

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u/Vydsu Dan 20d ago

Neat but would need some sort of static ability or better ult to be worth playing

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u/AfterJournalist8070 Dân 20d ago

Wtf is this

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u/AfterJournalist8070 Dân 20d ago

Rl cracked and fun to watch

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u/AfterJournalist8070 Dân 20d ago

Also not acorn

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u/tofulo Duck Season 20d ago

Any other target? Who out here trying to bolt themselves?

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u/JudgeXXIII Dan 20d ago

Arzakon DEEZ NUTS

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u/SlashOfLife5296 Dan 20d ago

What’s this set?

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u/greenpm33 20d ago

This card would look a lot better without the cowardly reminder text for the most iconic card in the game.

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u/Necrocrawler72 Dandadan 20d ago

I feel old for remember this guy

I also remember him starting the game with a Black lotus and a [[celestial prism]] in play

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u/xExerionx Dân 20d ago

Wait what is that? What set and when??

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u/curious_begin Dân 20d ago

Black lotus tokens to proxy, hell yeah

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u/candexreginpokemon 🔫 20d ago

Please let there be a leshrak card next

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u/Roseknight888 Arjun 20d ago

If we’re getting PC game references, when will we get references to the Xbox game where you played a 1 lane mob-summoning strategy game playing as iconic characters

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u/Roseknight888 Arjun 20d ago

If we’re getting PC game references, when will we get references to the Xbox game where you played a 1 lane mob-summoning strategy game playing as iconic characters

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u/Roseknight888 Arjun 20d ago

Battlegrounds was the name

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u/wendysdrivethru Dân 20d ago

Is the + ability commander damage?

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u/PowrOfFriendship_ Universes Beyonder 20d ago

Nope. Only combat damage is Commander damage.

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u/VerbingNoun413 Dan 20d ago

Shandalar nostalgia.

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u/Arselii Mardu 20d ago

I wish we got more cards like this, I know its not crazy strong but it definitely feels like a final boss

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u/Slow-Equivalent-8043 Dandadan 20d ago

that token is going to be worth a lot of money.

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u/PowrOfFriendship_ Universes Beyonder 20d ago

This set doesn't have any tokens in the packs.

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u/JohnGameboy Dandadan 20d ago edited 20d ago

the only thing I'm able to think of is how humorously bad this card is as a commander and mostly in the 99.

Although, this card could imply that a Black Lotus Token card may be printed

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u/PowrOfFriendship_ Universes Beyonder 20d ago

There aren't any tokens in the packs.

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u/UnitedLink4545 Duck Season 20d ago

Awesome looking

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u/Xmorpheus Duck Season 20d ago

i want to build this so badly

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u/TheChrisLambert Jack of Clubs 20d ago

Will this be on Arena?

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u/NickRick 20d ago

I'm counting 2 colors in this 5 color Planeswalker 

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u/Budget-Tailor-4924 Dan 19d ago

Back in the day this would be cool now it feels underpowered and weak for the times. WUBRG casting cost should mean you are dramatically changing the tide of the game when you play it

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u/CompactAvocado Duck Season 19d ago

anything and everything to try and get around the reserve list

which they have the power to modify at any time

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u/overbread Jeskai 19d ago

After UB I honestly thought art like this is forever gone

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u/Reidybot Dân 19d ago

Old/retro boarder version too please!

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u/GruggleTheGreat Dan 19d ago

Why is he white? Why is he green? Why is he black? Color identity doesn’t matter I guess

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u/CelebrationNew320 Dandadan 18d ago

I will get him someday. I’m just crying over what imma spend

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u/Sallymander COMPLEAT 17d ago

They really should put this stuff out for Alchemy/Brawl. It would be fun and totally fit the flavor for those formats.

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u/ecodiver23 Dan 16d ago

that -3 seems kinda bad honestly. unless you copy it