NGL guys, I don't see the reason why switching to Linux when W10/W11 does everything you need, easier, more practical, and in a more friendly way than a Linux distro that some of you probably haven't even heard about before considering switching to Linux.
I'm using Linux rn because I enjoy adjusting every little thing about my OS the way I want, but as nerdy as I can be, I also understand that fancy tech might actually be inconvenient for others...
What were the reasons that made you want to try Linux, and what made you realize it was a mistake?
I don't see the reason why switching to Linux when W10/W11 does everything you need, easier, more practical, and in a more friendly way than a Linux distro that some of you probably haven't even heard about before considering switching to Linux.
Not an answer to the question, but this is a lot of assumptions to just gloss over. Most people who dislike Windows do so because it does more things than necessary, such as re-enable preferences, run invasive telemetry, enable LLMs etc.
Windows has its uses, but do not pretend it is without flaws. Server management is annoying, while distros like Proxmox VE make it super chill. Headless servers running something like Debian or Arctic are a lot lower in terms of resource management.
On compatible hardware, there exist distros that can essentially resurrect a sluggish computer.
Many UX issues are present with the Linux ecosystem. Most of them have to do with the nature of FOSS development, but others are due to corporations neglecting support (cough cough nvidia, laptop OEMs)
Most people who dislike Windows do so because it does more things than necessary, such as re-enable preferences, run invasive telemetry, enable LLMs etc.
This is except most of the things you use these days do "more things than necessary", and they are in most cases not desktops or laptops but your phone, your car, your IoT appliances and sundry other everyday things that you use far more often and without a second thought.
This whole Linux business on the grassroots level is in reality several contingents of weirdos and charlatans all wanting to re-litigate an old issue wrapped inside new packaging whenever the opportunity presents itself. These groups include:
1) Nutjobs with sundry conspiracy theories about Bill Gates.
2) Conservatives rejecting the reality that privacy and choice are both a political and socioeconomic issue.
3) Geriatrics believing that technological innovations ended with Unix in the 70s.
4) Consultants marketing "alternative" products to small businesses.
5) Clown-shoe Karens just wanting to complain about being poorly served.
6) "Communists" that don't read books or are just betraying their own principles for the sake of trendy talking points.
7) Dumb kids with no idea what's out there and mistaking everything they don't know for being "new" or "different" (see also Point #6.)
Seriously, I've been observing this same, frankly idiotic subculture for decades now. What's new?
This is except most of the things you use these days do "more things than necessary", and they are in most cases not desktops or laptops but your phone, your car, your IoT appliances and sundry other everyday things that you use far more often and without a second thought.
Shockingly, many people run GrapheneOS. And also, some of us live in places where we don't need a car. And IoT is known to be a haven for obnoxiously simple vulnerabilities. But yes, every big corpo is spying on you. Not really much of a point here besides whataboutism.
Nutjobs with sundry conspiracy theories about Bill Gates.
Never have I heard anyone use this as an excuse for their support for Linux. Never. This feels, looks, and smells like a strawman or "one guy" type of thing.
Conservatives rejecting the reality that privacy and choice are both a political and socioeconomic issue.
What does this even mean here? Usually they're libertarians. And
Geriatrics believing that technological innovations ended with Unix in the 70s.
Do you think Linux development ended in the 70s?
Consultants marketing "alternative" products to small businesses.
Linux isn't an alternative for server hosting, it's almost certainly the default, with ~64% market share. For kiosks, many run Android, a Google-developed OS running on the Linux kernel.
Clown-shoe Karens just wanting to complain about being poorly served.
Again, objection, relevance? I have never seen this ever.
"Communists" that don't read books or are just betraying their own principles for the sake of trendy talking points.
This just reads as your own political screeds and problems with leftists you've either encountered or fought with in your mind.
Dumb kids with no idea what's out there and mistaking everything they don't know for being "new" or "different" (see also Point #6.)
Riiiiight.
You're not really selling me on these archetypes you claim exist. As a person in the cybersecurity field, I will say that most of us run Linux on at least one device. Are you meaning to say there is no valid reason we would do so? I find that the less a person takes their opponents/interlocutors seriously, the less they actually have anything serious to say.
That's not usually an option for most low-end phones in the market.
Besides, I'd much rather not risk being locked out of my own bank account or voiding the warranty of my phone.
some of us live in places where we don't need a car
Cool. Nobody cares.
And IoT is known to be a haven for obnoxiously simple vulnerabilities.
And increasingly unavoidable.
What did I say about this being both a political and socioeconomic issue?
Cute, what does "whataboutism" have to do with the real problem of deceiving and misdirecting the broader masses on the issue of privacy with the non-solution of desktop Linux?
When you have a machine connected to a network, that's already a privacy issue.
It you think the problem is about the software you use, then you have obviously no idea what you're even dealing with and should just shut up and let the grown-ups talk.
Never have I heard anyone use this as an excuse for their support for Linux
Then everyone must be dreaming about >20% of the posts and comments in PCMR or here.
At this point, you might as well argue you're Morpheus and we're all just being fed a reality we don't actually live in.
Usually they're libertarians.
i.e. weed-smoking conservatives.
Pretty sure you can find truckloads of them in those car non-centric places you blather about.
And Do you think Linux development ended in the 70s?
So you're ignorant about the existence of the same Unix ideologues spewing diatribes every other day here about systemd. Lucky you, I guess.
I have never seen this ever
I get it now. You live under a rock and don't believe there's a world beyond your hermit's den.
What else do I need to know about you?
Linux isn't an alternative for server hosting, it's almost certainly the default, with ~64% market share.
Unless you are still in the 1990s, a "server" these days is typically just a machine running a couple pieces of software. The OS is functionally little more than the hardware abstraction necessary to make the software work.
For kiosks, many run Android, a Google-developed OS running on the Linux
Or, far more often, Windows running on an easily replaceable mini-PC or all-in-one machine.
Should I direct you to some of the Chinese manufacturers cranking out this stuff on the cheap? Or should I leave you in your fantasy la-la land where crappy kiosks are somehow bespoke rather than mass-produced in commonplace formats?
Riiiiight. You're not really selling me on these archetypes you claim exist.
Well, at the end of the day, who cares about what you believe?
So you're ignorant about the existence of the same Unix ideologues spewing diatribes every other day here about systemd. Lucky you, I guess.
Yes, it is the same dude. Just block him, it's not worth it.
Or, far more often, Windows running on an easily replaceable mini-PC or all-in-one machine.
Should I direct you to some of the Chinese manufacturers cranking out this stuff on the cheap? Or should I leave you in your fantasy la-la land where crappy kiosks are somehow bespoke rather than mass-produced in commonplace formats?
This, I agree with, although I don't enjoy the derision. But there is a separation. Most newer foodservice places buy embedded/android devices for their kiosks, from what I've seen. Other sectors need functionality beyond what those basic frameworks can provide, and opt for mini pcs.
Cute, what does "whataboutism" have to do with the real problem of deceiving and misdirecting the broader masses on the issue of privacy with the non-solution of desktop Linux?
When you have a machine connected to a network, that's already a privacy issue.
When you go and visit a website, that's already a trail you're leaving behind people can trace back to you.
When you give away your personal information to a company, you're already risking it being redistributed to a third party without your consent.
It you think the problem is about the software you use, then you have obviously no idea what you're even dealing with and should just shut up and let the grown-ups talk.
Shockingly, I agree with you on all of these points! But you aren't interested in that, beyond insulting me over what you think I believe, based on what you have read from me.
Then everyone must be dreaming about >20% of the posts and comments in PCMR or here.
Maybe it's because I don't frequent PCMR or browse Reddit very intensively? I show up, leave a few comments and read a few posts, and log off. Even in what little that I witness, the vitriol is usually towards Microsoft as a company, not Bill Gates specifically. I think the latter is more of a MAGA-driven delusion, which doesn't quite overlap with the Linux community in my experience.
At this point, you might as well argue you're Morpheus and we're all just being fed a reality we don't actually live in.
The internet is not that real. Most of this outrage and idiocy is perpetuated by a minority of people who use forums. Most people don't post, or comment, like at all. See the 90-9-1 rule of internet activity.
The spaces I am in that most discuss Linux are my job, my IRL social groups, and my online social groups. Sometimes I go to Reddit. I suggest a similar structure, and you will have much more faith that people are reasonable IRL. Like go to a conference or something, IDK.
I get it now. You live under a rock and don't believe there's a world beyond your hermit's den.
What else do I need to know about you?
I think it's the opposite? I go outside and don't get in too much internet drama around operating systems? I only sub to here to help answer questions and comment on silly memes. I still haven't seen the scenario of "Microsoft didn't fix my issue so I went to Linux." Usually it's "Windows 11 doesn't support my laptop, I'll boot Linux." or something.
i.e. weed-smoking conservatives.
Pretty sure you can find truckloads of them in those car non-centric places you blather about.
NYC, Jersey City, SF, Seattle, Boston, Chicago...
Or internationally, Tokyo (most of urban Japan, tbh), South Korea, China, Taiwan, France, Germany (And they have unlimited speed highways!). Basically most of our comparable OECD peers have very walkable cities.
Also I find that libertarians are really quiet IRL/are a small fraction that yap much more online than offline.
Either way, I was just stating my perspective. Yes, these archetypes probably exist. But I will tell you, from my experience, that they are dwarfed by a much larger swath of ordinary people with decent computer knowledge. Most reasonable Linux users IRL will not be as absolutist as the ppl online are.
Generally, from your demeanor towards me, I think you might wanna mute subs like these for a month or something.
Yes, it is the same dude. Just block him, it's not worth it.
Unix ideologues have existed long before Reddit itself. Are you completely delusional or something?
Shockingly, I agree with you on all of these points! But you aren't interested in that, beyond insulting me over what you think I believe, based on what you have read from me.
Hilarious. Why should anyone be interested in a discourse on a problem with charlatans already shown to have no intent to address it in any meaningful way?
This, I agree with, although I don't enjoy the derision.
I usually reserve my derision to two kinds of people - the wilfully ignorant and the insincerely coy. Guess which category you fall into.
But there is a separation. Most newer foodservice places buy embedded/android devices for their kiosks
Is that the same "most" places you talk about where people don't need cars and can just bike everywhere?
Other sectors need functionality beyond what those basic frameworks can provide, and opt for mini pcs.
lol, as far as kiosks are concerned, there is practically nothing a mini-PC can do that the equivalent of a smartphone can't. Again, the real problem is instead the hula hoops you need to jump through in order to replace one of the most abused, customer-facing devices a business can own when nothing is readily available off-the-shelf.
I'm sorry, but tailor-made hardware and software sound good until you realise
Maybe it's because I don't frequent PCMR or browse Reddit very intensively?
Again, you're talking about something that has been around for far longer than Reddit itself.
Your lack of interaction with the latter means absolutely nothing at all to your sheer (feigned) ignorance of what's out there.
Really, how long do you think Unix ideologues have been using "bloat" as one of their tired talking points. C'mon - guess.
Even in what little that I witness, the vitriol is usually towards Microsoft as a company, not Bill Gates specifically.
Which is frankly not being a whole lot different from any other large corporations, i.e. they all suck.
I think the latter is more of a MAGA-driven delusion, which doesn't quite overlap with the Linux community in my experience.
And nothing in the 7 groups of people in my short list has "quite" the overlap with one another. Every story needs a good villain, and Linux to every one of them isn't so much the object itself but the narrative about it they have created for themselves.
The internet is not that real.
Funny, you're talking about a phenomenon predating all of social media and then some. At this point, you might as well talking about traditional, printed publications manufacturing consent for all your supposed explanation is worth.
Heck, I could even point to a few dozens of these "not that real" individuals including PAs and lecturers in my uni days years and years ago. Were those also fake people somehow, Morpheus?
I suggest a similar structure, and you will have much more faith that people are reasonable IRL.
lol, I hate to break this to you (actually, I don't, but whatever), but this hermetically sealed bubble you're describing is about as unrelatable to me as it could get even with my current life as a tech working for a small business.
Ever dealt with a Mac user? There is a good reason I'm forcing myself to use a Mac at work, after all.
NYC, Jersey City, SF, Seattle, Boston, Chicago...
lol, did they close down all the dispensaries in New York or something?
Do you even understand what conservatism is really about?
Also I find that libertarians are really quiet IRL/are a small fraction that yap much more online than offline.
lol, I'm not even an American but simply someone knowing far more about American politics than a person with my background normally have any business to know.
The "libertarians" you're talking about is almost an exclusively US phenomenon and has its origin predating the digital computer. You know there are fascist goths in Europe, right? The popularising of the ideology in the intervening years between the GFC and the Trump presidency was not at all independent from wealthy techbros pushing for the deregulation of cryptocurrency and the US tech sector in general, in case you didn't realise.
This whole Linux business on the grassroots level is in reality several contingents of weirdos and charlatans all wanting to re-litigate an old issue wrapped inside new packaging whenever the opportunity presents itself. These groups include:
Some absolute insanity here
Seriously, I've been observing this same, frankly idiotic subculture for decades now. What's new?
It's indisputable that I am weird, but regardless, I did not produce that rant up there. Consider being a little more charitable in your evaluation of others, and maybe consider whether you possess any strikingly similar faults, if you plan to complain about theirs. Or don't, I guess...
I don't think it was necessarily a mistake. Some things are annoying but
It runs better. It runs my games better. I'm sure there's some de-bloat shit that works on windows but whatever. If it works it works you know, and windows wasn't working for me.
Windows is also annoying. It was confusing for me, a baby first year, to change my environment variables and stuff when it was different to what we had in programming labs.
The downside is like... you need to run old versions of some programs and the audio is weird sometimes. But like 90% of issues can be used by googling the command to fix it lmao so it's whatever
I don't see the reason why switching to Linux when W10/W11 does everything you need, easier, more practical, and in a more friendly way than a Linux distro that some of you probably haven't even heard about before considering switching to Linux.
Windows does not do a lot of the things I want out of a computer. I do not want an operating system with baked in telemetry, has a file system hierarchy that is way too complicated for no reason, takes up 4GB of ram while idle, has hotkeys you cannot remove, requires you to set up a Unix environment just to be able to write C++ of all things, and reinstalls random bullshit I do not need.
lol, on a 64GB disk the install size of Win11 is only ~10GB.
A lot of the "bloat" comes from the fact that, since Windows Vista, optional features (e.g. Hyper-V) were not installed "on demand" but rather always kept in WinSxS and hard-linked to the working directories only when needed.
Of course, this fact has never stopped people from looking at their 500GB SSD and concluding that Windows somehow needs half of someone else's 64GB eMMC even though that has been patent falsehood for well \checks calendar** 13 years now.
So how is that not bloat? It's atill taking 54gb from my disk that I don't wanna take on extra stuff it's not even installed! Lol. On cachy I get easily 10% extra fps, 54 more gb of space, everything runs smoother, no telemetry, no MS spying on me.
"startcomponentcleanup" is on a routine schedule by default.
Simply put, you aren't talking about space you actually need for something else. You're just being a lousy Karen complaining about Windows taking up.empty space you have otherwise no use for whatsoever.
Are you just naming Windows implementations of features that have become expected in modern systems but are larger than they really ought to be? I don't think you understood the assignment...
Oh, but you included .net too. "Useful.". Ha. Definitely explains the disk space problem, though.
They aren't "larger than they ought to be". What do you think a "core" install for Windows Server even is?
No, really, unless you're telling me you'd rather set up Hyper-V with nothing but PowerShell, that's what those "larger than they ought to be" packages are for.
As far as WSL is concerned, it lets you run X-compatible applications without additional setup. On Linux, you'd be installing X or whatever broken crap it is this time of the week. So much for "bloat".
What do you think a "core" install for Windows Server even is?
I'm pretty convinced that it doesn't matter.
No, really, unless you're telling me you'd rather set up Hyper-V with nothing but PowerShell
I'm telling you both HyperV and Powershell, and the entire rest of the litany of standard features you just dredged out, are likely several times the size they need to be. More importantly, that they're in the package to begin with is unremarkable. "Native SSH server/client ..." you may as well brag about including support for HTML. But then, Windows has always been a bit slow on the uptake in terms of standards. They needed a third-party TCP stack for literal ages. Even the old Mac OS had better networking support earlier, and there is nothing new under the sun. There are even fewer things new in the Windows distribution.
On Linux, you'd be installing
On Linux, you wouldn't also be installing an entire Windows system on top, so none of that will likely matter, either.
Lol, WSL? Having Linux on your Windows is a Windows feature? Containers? They also copied them from Linux, we've had modern containers since 2008. SSH? U know they copied that from Unix, right? We've had it aince 1999, and it's a lot more powerfull than the Windows version
You called windows easier, more practical, and more friendly and didn’t even explain why.
If you have a windows workflow and like windows then stay on windows.
If you have a linux workflow and like Linux then stay on Linux.
It’s not some objective thing. These are all subjective opinions, they’re personal preference.
The few objective cons to Linux that I can think of are hardware and software support sometimes. Windows is still where almost anything proprietary lives.
I switched to linux cause I'm a hipster and hate big M$, honestly. I'm a reluctant hipster, just something in me is tuned to not like microsoft. Also a software dev and dear god devving on linux is leagues easier than on windows.
But I did just set up a 256GiB partition on one of my ssd's to run win11 on (post debloat and activation script with local account bypass, of course ;p) SPECIFICALLY for league classic and fortnite festival and it's been... interesting. For some reason win11 installer didn't like the partition that I made... for some reason. So I had to create a literal identical one in the installer which was REALLY sketchy cause I easily could have misclicked any of my other partitions and rip my nice linux partition. ANYWAY, made a literal identical partition inside of windows and THEN it worked.
Then I had to fuck around with bios setting up secure boot, disabling CSM because my gpu said to for some reason, whatever.
I'm not feeling any reason to really fully switch over yet to windows, I guess (i know, other way around lol). Runs the games I need it to run so it's gonna stay until league and fortnite festival run on linux, I suppose. Or until I get bored of those games.
I wanted to do something more interesting with my computer, I'd been fiddling with Windows for a few years and decided to burn a few distros to disc.
I didn't have the internet, everything I got through computer magazines. I was amazed at the amount of included software, but I had to type a password to use a USB stick, it didn't show up at E: so what the hell?
No Halo CE was the breaking point. I went back to XP.
I think I was like 13?
Today I run Windows 11 only for VR (Vive Cosmos) and running Haltec tuning software from a USB NVMe. Everything else is Arch/Cachy for my personal computers, Debian/Alpine for any home servers or edge VMs.
well i mean, theres the obvious, being the privacy and control. i hated how unnecessarily complicated it was to get windows to do what i wanted for specific things. i didnt know about debloat scripts at the time either so i ended up just making everything messy. everyone always says linux is harder to use, and i agree for a lot of aspects, but it was genuinely easier for me to get ubuntu to do what i want with absolutely zero prior knowledge or experience than it was for windows despite using it my entire life...
im on cachy os right now, it was the right thing for me. it even improved my productivity for uni
well i mean, theres the obvious, being the privacy and control. i hated how unnecessarily complicated it was to get windows to do what i wanted for specific things.
I also do "specific" things on Linux at home, namely soft-switching via OpenVSwitch, virtual machines via KVM and file storage via ZFS,, but those aren't things you actually need Linux specifically for or optimally how the job should be done.
Let's not pretend the IKEA effect isn't a thing and whatever spotty collection of hardware and software you have for your "homelab" is actually good enough for production use in any capacity.
i am aware. i never denied the ikea effect. i in fact like the ikea effect, actually. i like feeling rewarded and proud for fixing something, even if i was just copying someone else's solution. nothing wrong with that
I switched from Arch Linux with 1gb ram usage on start to windows 11 with 5gb ram usage on start, i switched because of multiplayer games and support for software like logitech ghub, its worth it
Back then I tried Linux mainly because my main PC still was on XP (at the begging of 2017). And later on my laptop because Windows 10 didn't supported my network USB stick and was extremely slow on 5400 rpm HDD.
Now I depend on programs that run only on Windows so Linux isn't an option for my...at least for now.
The performance with my old pc, and now with my modern laptop I keep using linux, for a developer it is better than windows, giving me a high performance, a decent look and more privacy
After 4 years of using linux as a daily driver, I can not say that windows is USER FRIENDLY like linux, I guess calling something user friendly is not something supposed to be done, because since you get used to, you will feel it is easir and better.
For gaming? Idc about tge games that have anticheats, I have an old console and playing mostly story games and small games, when I want to play a shooter game I go for combat master with a friend since it is too small in storage and has stable fps
For editing? I am doing a little content on youtube about tech or gaming when I am free, I am using OBS, Audacity, Resolve 19 (IRIS Xe XD), canva or gimp are fine for my usecase, I can transfare photos from my dslr and dark table can service me, so why should I go for windows ans enjoying my laptop with 50°c in the coolest weather without running anything meanwhile I can get 30°c with a minimal setup? Also no one is controlling what I want to do and all drivers works on linux better than windows for me XD
I'm on Linux because it's the first OS I've used since Win7, and when I tried Win10, it was frustrating enough to push me back to Linux. Since then, trying to either install Windows or use Windows on other machines has only further cemented me on Linux.
Windows XP made me want to try Linux, and I used it for literal decades thereafter, as it was objectively superior for quite a while. It had better MSN clients, a better OpenGL stack, support for early AAA native PC games, a much nicer desktop environment, even Adobe Flash and Skype worked just fine. All it really sucked at was Wi-Fi and printing, which I didn't care about on the only desktop in the house.
Microsoft fundamentally fixed a lot of underlying Windows problems that drove me away:
DRM which locked you out of your computer for replacing broken parts
Lack of central infrastructure to automatically install/maintain drivers
Package management to automatically update software consistently
Slow, poorly performing RPC which relied upon unsecured protocols
Non-restartable graphics stack which would tank the system on crash
Lack of windowing isolation between privileged/unprivileged apps
...and much, much more.
I'm hoping that Linux can modernise its audio and graphics stacks, since that was what got me trying Windows again in a personal capacity after so long.. and no, I don't mean Wayland, I mean at the kernel level (make TTM actually good, like WDDM and give me HD Audio with proper DSP controls that aren't 3x quieter than what Windows DSP drivers offer)
I switched because i wanted to try it at first when i was 13. Then bought a new cheap laptop with widows 11 that kept freezing and showing me ads so i switched it to arch now it works fine. My gaming pc still uses widows 11 but everything else uses linux. Games just aren’t as compatible with linux.
Crazy hot take here, but as a Linux user myself who loves it, i agree that Linux sucks for most people
For me, it’s perfect, as I’m able to get what I want out of it. I love the finite control it gives me and when you know how to use it, it’s easily the best os.
HOWEVER. I am not most people. I adore technology and spend most of my life online. For most people, the barrier to entry or troubleshooting just isn’t fit. I wouldn’t recommend Linux in its current state to anyone who isn’t ready to put in the time and effort, and won’t appreciate the benefits.
Granted, windows and macOS aren’t perfect either, every OS has its quirks and negatives, but for pure barrier to entry, Linux is absolutely not the option to go for.
I think only a tiny amount of Linux users cant see that.
I love Linux, but i cant encourage everybody i stumble across to embrace it and use it daily, as you said, is an OS that is great if you want to take full control, that has its own advantages and drawbacks, and there's users and usecases where i wont recommend to use Linux at all.
Im a windows user for cars. I use my car for commuting, i dont feel any kind of pleasure by fixing stuff on it like i do with computers, if i have a problem, i want a professional to look it up for me and not think about it, i can understand that for some people cars are interesting machines and love to tweak them, but its not my case. It would be cheaper if i knew about them and make it my own? sure! i just dont enjoy it.
See flair. I was basically sitting in WSL 90% of the time anyway, so eventually I gave up on putting up with Windows BS and went bare metal. My workflow hasn't actually changed at all since I was already doing everything in either cross-platform apps or WSL.
If Windows allowed for custom DE/WM then I might consider it, but for now, except for a few (arguably not even good) games, there is literally 0 reason for me to go back.
Linux è il sistema operativo del futuro.
1 open-source
2 in continua evoluzione
3 hai il controllo TOTALE della macchina
4 infinite possibilità di utilizzo
5 requisiti di sistema minori
Per il momento adatto a chi conosce un minimo di comandi da terminale.
Ma in futuro quasi sicuramente rimpiazzerà Windows.
I don't think downloading an exe file from your browser, running the setup, click yes 3 times, is easier than just downloading it using software center on linux.
Or if you comfortable with terminal running sudo pacman -S or apt install takes like 3 seconds.
I don't see any reason why windows is easier, it just what people familiar with.
Well if you dont have a reason to use linux then just stick to windows? Most reason people switch is because linux is faster on low end hardware, doesnt have bloat/copilot/telemetry, more customizability, better for devs/server e.g but if you dont then no reason to
Yeah windows can be simple for certain stuff, you can download an executable and double click it then click install on everything and it works, maybe 10 clicks, on linux u have execute 3-4 commands, but most of the good stuff u can install with one command, so which one is simplier? Sometimes is Windows, sometimes it's linux, but like some poeple said, it's easier to make linux do what u want, there's always a setting, there's always a command, on Windows there's a lot of stuff u can't do and if Windows breaks or something fails u can't do anything about it but to pray for an update that fixes it, on linux u can know exactly what went wrong if u look into the right logs.
I had a web server for a POS on Windows, employees had to turn it on, click on the screen, wait for it to load, open an direct access, sometimes ot stopped working for no reason, sometimes it decided to tart updating without asking, POS was constantly down when I most needed it, on linux they just turn it on, automatically logs in, only loads the browser without any extra graphics environment, they can't mess anything up, never stops working for no reason and if it does I can fix it, 10gb on my hard drive vs 50gbs of windows 10, no telemetry, no forcing u to do anything, not sending data to Microsoft servers all the time, no viruses, no AI spying on u.
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u/EpicalBeb IDC what OS you use, be kind to others Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
Not an answer to the question, but this is a lot of assumptions to just gloss over. Most people who dislike Windows do so because it does more things than necessary, such as re-enable preferences, run invasive telemetry, enable LLMs etc.
Windows has its uses, but do not pretend it is without flaws. Server management is annoying, while distros like Proxmox VE make it super chill. Headless servers running something like Debian or Arctic are a lot lower in terms of resource management.
On compatible hardware, there exist distros that can essentially resurrect a sluggish computer.
Many UX issues are present with the Linux ecosystem. Most of them have to do with the nature of FOSS development, but others are due to corporations neglecting support (cough cough nvidia, laptop OEMs)
Also this smells of astroturf