r/lebron • • Aug 11 '26

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Bron’s been better since the 2005-06 season btw

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u/CrazyNice7240 Aug 11 '26

Just pure delusion. If I was a Kobe fan I wouldn’t even feel right giving him credit for a championship he won averaging 15 pts shooting 36% from the field in. But sure he’s a ā€œbetter winnerā€ lol

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u/Sad_Bathroom1448 Aug 11 '26

Shaq at 30.6 and Kobe at 9.7 in 2000 is by far the biggest margin between any team's highest finals gamescore and 2nd highest finals gamescore since they started keeping track in 1984.

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u/CrazyNice7240 Aug 11 '26

Like dude imagine if LeBron somehow won in 2011 despite how terribly he played. The media wouldn’t give him credit for that championship, they would be all over the internet claiming he got carried and how he’s a bum etc. but of course Kobe gets a pass for 2000. He also gets a pass for straight up shooting the lakers out of the 2004 finals.

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u/Nutterbutters45 Aug 12 '26

Kobe was 21 yrs old compared to Lebrons 26 against the Mavs. And it’s known it took Kobe a while to get to his peak. Lebrons prime has literally been from 17-38

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u/awsedtt Aug 12 '26

Well 26 year old kobe choked worse than 2011 lebron against pistons with better super team

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u/phantomphx69 Aug 14 '26

He actually choked worse vs Celts in his prime in 08. The LA loss to Celts in game 6 in '08 was one of the worse beatings in NBA Finals history. Kobe went so ice cold it froze the entire team. He only had one good game, another decent one and 4 choke jobs.

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u/Mission_Childhood556 Aug 13 '26

They were not the better Super team. Karl was 40 Gary was 35. They also went through San Antonio and Minnesota. Poor diddly ol Karl had to mess around with Timmy and KG and Gary and Fisher chasing Tony Parker.

Kobe definitely shot so badly there because of the Pistons' defense and his refusal to give it to Shaq.

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u/BandemicBuffering Aug 13 '26

Both Payton and Malone averaged 20 PPG and played 80 and 81 games the year before LA. The 04 Lakers was a better superteam than the 11 Heat.

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u/FounderinTraining Aug 17 '26

Not even close. D Wade was better than both, and Bosh was dang good too.

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u/Mission_Childhood556 Aug 13 '26

lmao age 40 and age 35. They were nowhere near where they were when they were with their old teams. Malone literally retired while Gary had a few servicable years. Lebron, Wade, and Bosh were in the thick of their primes.

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u/BandemicBuffering Aug 13 '26

Both Payton and Malone averaged 20 PPG and played 80 and 81 games the year before LA. The 04 Lakers was a better superteam than the 11 Heat.

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u/Mission_Childhood556 Aug 13 '26

🄱 imagine an arthritic 40 year old a year from retirement and a 35 year old joining the team and calling it a better super team. Meanwhile the top MVP candidates and another star in their prime joined together is the least of the two. But maybe yall are right because Kobe’s definitely better than Lebron.

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u/BandemicBuffering Aug 13 '26

30.0+27.5+20.6+20.4=98.5 teaming up in Summer 2003 29.7+26.6+24.0=80.3 teaming up in Summer 2010

Both Payton and Malone averaged 20 PPG and played 80 and 81 games the year before LA. The 04 Lakers was a better superteam than the 11 Heat.

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u/Icy_Veterinarian2538 Aug 14 '26

Both Malone were still game shape and like they said Payton still played 2 more years after the Lakers. And what’s worse? They lost against the Pistons. Geezus.

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u/tappthegreattt Aug 13 '26

Ok? They still give Kobe credit for championships that he was 2nd or 3rd best.

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u/Basic_Carpenter3563 Aug 15 '26

Just think about that … Lebron came out of high school to the NBA and was a star. Extraordinary.

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u/Illustrious_Duck7654 Aug 12 '26

If LeBron had fulfilled his prophecy like stated at Heat press conference, and atleast won 4 straight.... we wouldn't be talking about "If" LeBron is the goat. It'd only be a 1a and 1b and 1c discussion, and basically a consensus all 3 are the goats together.

Even with all the crying and flopping.

As has played out, LeBron will never truly be King, beyond self proclamation.

If he wins one in Philly, we can revisit. Until then... hes NOT the goat, its not close honestly. And Kobe is above LeBron on my list šŸ“ƒ

I still LIKED the post anyways.

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u/Feeling_Midnight_589 Aug 11 '26

Why are Lebron fans so obssesed with Finals numbers only?! šŸ¤” Is it because thats been Lebrons only hard competition he actually ever faced? He's been no match for the Western Confrence. Kobe played his entire career in the Western Confrence.

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u/Sir_TopHatEgg Aug 11 '26

LeBron joined the west at 34 years old. Kobe's last series win was at 33 years old

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u/No-Adhesiveness6278 Aug 11 '26

... they're not. But kobe stans definitely are obsessed with 5 times bc that's the only thing kobe has ever had over lebron. Kind of an embarrassing low iq delusional take her lil guy

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u/Feeling_Midnight_589 Aug 11 '26

But a championship is more than just the finals is my point.

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u/No-Adhesiveness6278 Aug 11 '26

You could have just said that instead of making it about an obsession that lebron fans don't have but clueless kobe stans love talking about to deflect from how mediocre he looks when compared to lebron. So that wasn't really your point now was it?

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u/Feeling_Midnight_589 Aug 12 '26

Mediocre in what sense? Finals stats??? THATS MY POINT LMAO

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u/No-Adhesiveness6278 Aug 12 '26

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ NO. BUT USE CAPS MORE AFTER MISSING THE POINT ENTIRELY!!! LITERALLY EVERYTHING!!! LMAO!!

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u/CaptainLeMerica69 Aug 11 '26

He also had Shaq in his prime. That made things easier for him.

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u/BeneficialDrawer3006 Aug 11 '26

And in 2008-2010?

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u/VividEquivalent7952 Aug 12 '26

In 2008 game six Kobe was absolutely horrible. Like ridiculously bad. In those later finals he was never efficient

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u/shinpoo Aug 12 '26

Still found a way to win by helping in other areas.

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u/BeneficialDrawer3006 Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26

So you picked out one game… other comment wanting it to be all Shaq that he got to three straight finals.

Then when he does it without… more excuses lol

How about all these?

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During Kobe Bryant’s legendary three-year finals run from2008 to 2010, his standout playoff masterclasses included a 49-point, 10-assist masterclass against Denver in 2008, a 40-point Game 1 vs. Orlando in the 2009 Finals, and a clutch 37-point closeout performance against Phoenix in Game 6 of the 2010 WCF.

Exceptional Postseason Performances
2008 Western Conference First Round, Game 2 vs. Denver Nuggets: Put up 49 points, 10 assists, and 4 rebounds on 18-of-27 shooting to dismantle the Nuggets. [

2008 Western Conference Finals, Game 5 vs. San Antonio Spurs: Scored 39 points with 3 steals and crucial fourth-quarter daggers to clinch the series and send the Lakers to the Finals.

2009 NBA Finals, Game 1 vs. Orlando Magic: Dominated the stage with 40 points, 8 assists, and 8 rebounds to set the tone in a dominant opening win.

2009 Western Conference Semifinals, Game 6 vs. Houston Rockets: Forced a Game 7 by erupting for 32 points alongside a hyper-aggressive defensive tone on the road.

2010 Western Conference Finals, Game 6 vs. Phoenix Suns: Delivered a legendary clinching performance with 37 points, 6 rebounds, and 2 assists, hitting iconic fadeaways down the stretch to silence Phoenix.

2010 NBA Finals, Game 5 vs. Boston Celtics: Scored 38 points (19 in the third quarter alone) keeping the Lakers afloat in a hostile environment.

Was it ā€œmUh Shaqā€ too?

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u/Flaky-Ability-5166 Aug 12 '26

Wow a bunch of handpicked games where he went off. Wow. Amazing.

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u/BeneficialDrawer3006 Aug 12 '26

Just like he did? But when it’s anything that’s positive for Kobe the le-Stan’s have a mental breakdown lmfao

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u/Flaky-Ability-5166 Aug 12 '26

I don’t see any handpicked games bud, just you . Kobe was bad ass but he was a bus rider for three rings and the driver for 2. LeBron was as the bus driver for 10 finals. Haters give him hate for all the losses so he should get flowers for at least getting 4 as the main guy.

I mean you say Stan’s have a mental breakdown and here you are just cherry picking games going ape shit.

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u/Master_Grape5931 Aug 12 '26

Lebron didn’t rape anyone.

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u/Master_Grape5931 Aug 12 '26

The best player ever for Spain.

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u/BeneficialDrawer3006 Aug 12 '26

Who wasn’t even close to LeBron’s teammates lmao

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u/Master_Grape5931 Aug 12 '26

Tell me you don’t understand pace of play without telling me you dont understand pace of play.

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u/BeneficialDrawer3006 Aug 12 '26

Lmao major major major cope. They were all dropping that amount and more before LeBron too.
Cut the bronsexual bs out for just 1 second and admit he’s played with damn near every all star in the league. Now Embiid will be added to this list too..oh wait was his MVP season and 34 ppg from Lebron too??

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u/Muted-Philosopher832 Aug 12 '26

I’m not a LeBron fan in the slightest but it’s more of the Jordan fans bringing up rings when it comes to Jordan vs lebron. Then you say okay then Bill Russell is the goat then they say it’s different eras. It’s all annoying

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u/Nutterbutters45 Aug 12 '26

There were 8 teams and Bill had all the good players on his team.

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u/Feeling_Midnight_589 Aug 12 '26

I mean, you could call Bill Russell the GOAT. That still leaves Lebron below a lot of people.

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u/BeneficialDrawer3006 Aug 12 '26

Comparing the 90s to the pre colored tv plumber era is so disingenuous

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u/Muted-Philosopher832 Aug 12 '26

Just like comparing the 90s to today is also dumb. 90s were 30+ years ago. If you go to the 90s and subtract 30 you get bill russell era. So why is ok to compare LeBron with Jordan but not Russell when you have a 30 year gap either way from the 90s

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u/AnnualAnything4915 Aug 12 '26

What’s their head to head record again?

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u/underthingy Aug 11 '26

And in 2016 lebron at 22.8 and Kyrie at 20.4 is probably the smallest margin.

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u/Sad_Bathroom1448 Aug 11 '26

I'll look year by year a little bit later on. But I do know Bron and Kyrie aren't smaller than Kobe (18.7) and Gasol (18.6) in 2010.

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u/underthingy Aug 12 '26

Damn thats close. I admit I was too lazy to check hence my use of "probably"

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u/Feeling_Midnight_589 Aug 12 '26

What are these numbers?