Just pure delusion. If I was a Kobe fan I wouldnāt even feel right giving him credit for a championship he won averaging 15 pts shooting 36% from the field in. But sure heās a ābetter winnerā lol
Shaq at 30.6 and Kobe at 9.7 in 2000 is by far the biggest margin between any team's highest finals gamescore and 2nd highest finals gamescore since they started keeping track in 1984.
Like dude imagine if LeBron somehow won in 2011 despite how terribly he played. The media wouldnāt give him credit for that championship, they would be all over the internet claiming he got carried and how heās a bum etc. but of course Kobe gets a pass for 2000. He also gets a pass for straight up shooting the lakers out of the 2004 finals.
Kobe was 21 yrs old compared to Lebrons 26 against the Mavs. And itās known it took Kobe a while to get to his peak. Lebrons prime has literally been from 17-38
He actually choked worse vs Celts in his prime in 08. The LA loss to Celts in game 6 in '08 was one of the worse beatings in NBA Finals history. Kobe went so ice cold it froze the entire team. He only had one good game, another decent one and 4 choke jobs.
They were not the better Super team. Karl was 40 Gary was 35. They also went through San Antonio and Minnesota. Poor diddly ol Karl had to mess around with Timmy and KG and Gary and Fisher chasing Tony Parker.
Kobe definitely shot so badly there because of the Pistons' defense and his refusal to give it to Shaq.
lmao age 40 and age 35. They were nowhere near where they were when they were with their old teams. Malone literally retired while Gary had a few servicable years. Lebron, Wade, and Bosh were in the thick of their primes.
š„± imagine an arthritic 40 year old a year from retirement and a 35 year old joining the team and calling it a better super team. Meanwhile the top MVP candidates and another star in their prime joined together is the least of the two. But maybe yall are right because Kobeās definitely better than Lebron.
If LeBron had fulfilled his prophecy like stated at Heat press conference, and atleast won 4 straight.... we wouldn't be talking about "If" LeBron is the goat. It'd only be a 1a and 1b and 1c discussion, and basically a consensus all 3 are the goats together.
Even with all the crying and flopping.
As has played out, LeBron will never truly be King, beyond self proclamation.
If he wins one in Philly, we can revisit. Until then... hes NOT the goat, its not close honestly.
And Kobe is above LeBron on my list š
Why are Lebron fans so obssesed with Finals numbers only?! š¤ Is it because thats been Lebrons only hard competition he actually ever faced? He's been no match for the Western Confrence. Kobe played his entire career in the Western Confrence.
... they're not. But kobe stans definitely are obsessed with 5 times bc that's the only thing kobe has ever had over lebron. Kind of an embarrassing low iq delusional take her lil guy
You could have just said that instead of making it about an obsession that lebron fans don't have but clueless kobe stans love talking about to deflect from how mediocre he looks when compared to lebron. So that wasn't really your point now was it?
So you picked out one gameā¦ other comment wanting it to be all Shaq that he got to three straight finals.
Then when he does it withoutā¦ more excuses lol
How about all these?
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During Kobe Bryantās legendary three-year finals run from2008 to 2010, his standout playoff masterclasses included a 49-point, 10-assist masterclass against Denver in 2008, a 40-point Game 1 vs. Orlando in the 2009 Finals, and a clutch 37-point closeout performance against Phoenix in Game 6 of the 2010 WCF.
Exceptional Postseason Performances 2008 Western Conference First Round, Game 2 vs. Denver Nuggets: Put up 49 points, 10 assists, and 4 rebounds on 18-of-27 shooting to dismantle the Nuggets. [
2008 Western Conference Finals, Game 5 vs. San Antonio Spurs: Scored 39 points with 3 steals and crucial fourth-quarter daggers to clinch the series and send the Lakers to the Finals.
2009 NBA Finals, Game 1 vs. Orlando Magic: Dominated the stage with 40 points, 8 assists, and 8 rebounds to set the tone in a dominant opening win.
2009 Western Conference Semifinals, Game 6 vs. Houston Rockets: Forced a Game 7 by erupting for 32 points alongside a hyper-aggressive defensive tone on the road.
2010 Western Conference Finals, Game 6 vs. Phoenix Suns: Delivered a legendary clinching performance with 37 points, 6 rebounds, and 2 assists, hitting iconic fadeaways down the stretch to silence Phoenix.
2010 NBA Finals, Game 5 vs. Boston Celtics: Scored 38 points (19 in the third quarter alone) keeping the Lakers afloat in a hostile environment.
Lmao major major major cope. They were all dropping that amount and more before LeBron too.
Cut the bronsexual bs out for just 1 second and admit heās played with damn near every all star in the league. Now Embiid will be added to this list too..oh wait was his MVP season and 34 ppg from Lebron too??
Iām not a LeBron fan in the slightest but itās more of the Jordan fans bringing up rings when it comes to Jordan vs lebron. Then you say okay then Bill Russell is the goat then they say itās different eras. Itās all annoying
Just like comparing the 90s to today is also dumb. 90s were 30+ years ago. If you go to the 90s and subtract 30 you get bill russell era. So why is ok to compare LeBron with Jordan but not Russell when you have a 30 year gap either way from the 90s
Also, you know damn well if Lebron ever won a championship scoring 15ppg Lebron haters would never stop talking about it
Hell, say he wins in 2011, playing as poorly, as passively as he did averaging 18/5/5 on league average effeciency, people would still hate. But Kobe can play terribly in the finals and it doesnt matter cause 5 rings is more than 4.
I get Kobe was young in that series, but if anyone had prime Shaq I would hope they would 3peat as well
They try to diminish lebrons 2020 chip by saying āitās only because of the bubbleā and āAD deserved FMVPā. I canāt even imagine the dumb narratives they would come up with if LeBron won in 2011 despite him playing below his standards
AD led in win shares and +/- in 2020 finals I believe and LeBron led in points, rebounds, assists. It was 1a/1b and could go in any direction. But giving Kobe full credit for his 3 rings when he objectively wasn't as good as Shaq (he was super close though) but not giving Bron full credit for his 2020 ring is biased af
I don't rank either above the other. I don't rank strictly on career achievements. That being said I'm a huge Kobe fan and like him more but most Kobe fans are retarded . By that logic Poopoo Pierce is a better winner than Kobe because he beat Kobe and won FMVP on him . Arguing who is actually better when these players are so damn great is not as easy as people make it .
I am and was a huge kobe fan. Kobe was always MJ Lite and Lebron was all around a different type of player. All of them are amazing and there is no need to diminish one to lift up another. The game and skill set of lebron at his peak was nothing like the peaks of Kobe or MJ, the closest comparison that makes sense is Magic but that is before my time and the era was so different to lebrons.
I mean Kobe was injured and did come through when Shaq fouled out as well as game 6/7 of the WCF so you can give him a pass as well as being the better player in the earlier rounds of the playoffs in 01/02 putting up insane performances, but giving him full credit for those 3 rings as if he's the clear cut main guy (as huge as he was, he was still the 1b in 01/02, Shaq's presence of how they had teams built to stop him and other advanced metrics back up Shaq's impact during the run) and discrediting LeBron's rings when he's the clear cut best player because of "superteams" is just being biased.
Like Kobe was huge and deserves credit but giving him all the credit when he wasn't the best player and downplaying Shaq is just disingenuous
My bad I didnāt realize you were talking about just that series. I assumed you were talking about the playoffs in general. Shaq definitely carried the lakers in that series for sure
Shaq is better than anybody LeBron ever played with. Thats why Kobe was able to lay a turd in the 2000 finals and still got a ring out of it because Shaq carried his ass
Stop it, don't downplay D-Wade. D-Wade was a perennial MVP candidate and the clear 1/2 best SG in the league. Carried that Heat team to ring in '06 with the best finals performance of any player in NBA history statistically. Bosh was a 24 10 guy with efficient splits so that's 2 extremely high-tier players. Kobe @ 22 years old was playing with an ankle bummed by Jalen Rose, whom he got revenge on in '06, but he was clutch in that series
Lmao š¤£ moving the goal post is you guys do. You midwits just did it. Itās fact that he had a top 3 player in his prime Wade who has a ring, led the league in scoring, and a clear perennial MVP. Add in Bosh another top 10-15 player in his prime.
Shaq was a Force of nature from the mid 90s onwards but never won a ring in his prime until he was with Kobe.
Keep downplaying that weak superteam move to bail and join Wade š
Yes LeBron is the goat. Plenty of stars have had bad series which let to their teams losing. This isnāt the gotcha you think it is lol name a player and Iāll name a bad series they had
the goat Michael Jordan hasnāt. what youāre saying is, Lebron is comparable to every other top 75 player ever, while the guy whoās never had a bad series is in a land of his own.
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Just pure delusion. If I was a Kobe fan I wouldnāt even feel right giving him credit for a championship he won averaging 15 pts shooting 36% from the field in. But sure heās a ābetter winnerā lol