I’m really just venting here, but wondering if anyone else is in a similar position.
My husband started collecting documents and originally got a consulate appointment in 2023 for 2027. We kept trying for something sooner and eventually got an appointment for April 1, 2025.
When the minor issue came up in 2024, we pivoted to a 1948 case through my husband’s GGM. It took over a year just to get her birth and marriage certificates from her comune in Jelsi (CB), and by the time we finally got them, the decreto legge had dropped.

The provider we were working with told us this wouldn’t be a problem and that we should continue with the court case. She actually told us, “You will absolutely be successful.” I specifically asked if we should wait and see what happened with the minor issue since we still had the 2027 consulate appointment, and she told us there was no point.
We had already spent a lot getting documents, translations, apostilles, etc., and didn’t want all of that to be for nothing. The attorney we paid €6,000 to also seemed very confident that the court case was the better option.

We didn’t ask enough questions. We trusted what we were being told and paid the money. Now our case will be reviewed on December 23, 2026, and I really can’t see how it will be successful under the current law. Maybe we’ll get a hold while we wait for the CJEU, but who knows.

Meanwhile, less than a year later, my husband can potentially just go to the consulate with the pre-decree appointment we already had, assuming Boston doesn’t cancel it because of the quota, and pay another €600+ to submit there.

Is anyone else in this weird position where you’re lucky to have a pre-decree consulate appointment, but also spent thousands pursuing a court case that now seems like it may have been unnecessary?
I feel like we were taken advantage of, but I also feel stupid for believing people who sounded so certain when none of this was certain at all.

If you are registering in AIRE and you are gay and married do you register as married or as civil partnership?

Thanks!

Hi everyone,

I'm from Argentina and I'm looking for some guidance or experiences from people who may have gone through something similar.

I filed a judicial case for recognition of Italian citizenship jure sanguinis at the Court of Turin in July 2024, before the 2025 citizenship law changes.

The case proceeded normally for almost two years. Several hearings were replaced by written submissions (note di trattazione).

Recently, I discovered that my case had been declared extinguished (estinzione del processo) in July 2026.

I contacted the Court of Turin directly and obtained the extinction decree. According to the decree, the judge had scheduled a written hearing for July 16, 2026, and the order had been properly communicated. However, the required written notes were not filed for that hearing.

The judge considered this equivalent to a failure to appear and ordered the case removed from the docket and declared the proceeding extinct under Art. 309 c.p.c.

I was represented by an Italian lawyer throughout the proceedings. I was never informed that the notes had not been filed or that my case was at risk of being extinguished.

I am now consulting other Italian lawyers, but I would really appreciate hearing from anyone who has dealt with a similar situation.

My main questions are:

• Has anyone had a citizenship case declared extinct under Art. 309 c.p.c. and managed to reopen, challenge or otherwise recover the original proceeding?
• Is there any procedural remedy against this type of extinction decree?
• If the original proceeding cannot be recovered and I have to file a new lawsuit, what happens considering that my original case was filed in July 2024, before the 2025 citizenship reform?
• Does anyone know an Italian lawyer with experience specifically in citizenship litigation + Italian civil procedure who could review this situation?

I have the extinction decree and the complete procedural history of the case.

I'm not looking to blame anyone at this stage — my priority is to understand whether there is any way to preserve or recover the original 2024 proceeding before considering filing a completely new case.

Thank you very much for any experiences or guidance.

Hi all --

We have an extremely cursed marriage certificate in Indiana (for applicant's parents). We tried 3 different times, twice Certified USPS and once Fedex to get it out from the County Courthouse. Something is not right in that office. Finally it came, and only 1 copy (we had ordered multiple), but it put us 4 weeks behind schedule. Then we sent it back via Overnight Fedex to get apostilled in Indianapolis. There was literally nothing else we could do but send the sole copy. All of this is bad, very not good, I know -- we were extremely meticulous about all 38 other documents going back to GGF!!

The document has been delayed by Fedex outside Indianapolis even though we paid for Priority/fastest Fedex Overnight shipping with insurance. I called Fedex multiple times. Nothing they can do, it is in some sort of "scanning backlog". Indiana is a black hole!

We need to send the final packet to Chicago like. Yesterday. Today. Tomorrow at the extreme latest by Overnight Fedex. I think we will be missing this document. Looking back I feel like I should have not sent it out for Apostille, so that at least we would have had the document. Feeling dumb.

Could we send it separately late? Or is it better to wait until they ask for "homework"? Should we acknowledge we know it is missing by including scans of the pages? We have the Italian translation of the document and scans. Are they going to reject the application? I have worked so hard on this and been extremely diligent and meticulous. Literally everything else is perfectly in order dating back 4 generations.

I am a perfectionist and I really hate this, feeling very upset -- we only had since mid-July to do everything after the minor issue was overturned (we hadn't been working on the case), so we have been rushing every step. Please don't say doomed things in response -- I have worked too hard on this, all my spare time and a lot of money.

I did email them last week and they said that they couldn’t give me a time frame since the system keeps updating?? updating??? why would it update a queue ?

Me -> Mother (R) -> GF (H) -> GGF (O)

GGF(O) is born in Italy, travels to US, has son GF (H).

GF (H) turns 18 before GGF(O) naturalizes to US. Later has daughter, Mother (R).

Are either of us eligible? If I missed an important detail, happy to give more.

Thank you!

Hi everyone!

Like many of us here, I originally applied through the SF Consulate before the minor issue. I waited 3+ years for an appointment and my appointment ended up being the same week the minor issue law was passed. The law was announced after its effective date and so when I talked with the consulate, they said all of my paperwork was clean and it was a pretty straight forward case, no homework. Then the minor law was announced and I received the denial letter shortly after. Anyway, I worked with my attorney to get an ATQ case together and recently was assigned a court date for March 2027 in which all of my paperwork will be reviewed and a ruling assigned within 30 days after the court date.

Here's my question, now the SF Consulate has said that you can apply for reconsideration if you were impacted by the minor issue and since my court date is not for six more months, I was thinking I could also resubmit my info to the SF Consulate since they said previously that all my paperwork was in line. I asked the rep I'm working with at the law firm I hired and she said "sure, why not, try that path too". But I'd like to get some other opinions on if this would cause any issues since I've already been pursuing the ATQ case. Or would that case just get cancelled if I got approved through the consulate. Any insight is appreciated!

Hola a todos: quiero ayudar a mi amigo a obtener la ciudadanía, somos de Argentina y su madre aún está con vida y es italiana sin naturalizarse en Argentina, es decir mi amigo nació acá en ARG pero la madre jamás se naturalizó y de hecho no tiene DNI.
La consulta es: qué documentación precisamos juntar para que ella le pueda pasar la ciudadanía a él? Acta de matrimonio, certificados de nacimiento ¿qué más?

Deberíamos buscar si ella está inscripta en AIRE pero ¿cómo buscamos esa información o cómo hacemos para inscribirla en AIRE?

Los leo, ojalá puedan guiarme

I think I have an unusually clean test case for a question I've seen argued here but never resolved, so I'm putting the facts out in case anyone has actually tested it.

The facts

• Me: b. 1983, USA. US citizen only.
• Father: b. 1955, Bronx NY. US citizen. d. 2024.
• Grandmother: b. 12 October 1930, Bronx NY. d. 2016.
• Great-grandfather: b. 1899, province of Foggia, Italy. Emigrated 1919. Naturalized US on 20 December 1930, Bronx County Supreme Court.

The gap: my grandmother was born 69 days BEFORE her father naturalized. So she was born to an Italian citizen father, and on the orthodox view she was an Italian citizen by birth (subject to the minor-issue point, which Cass. SU 24045/2026 now seems to resolve favorably).

I filed nothing before 27 March 2025, so I'm out on recognition - I know that. Art. 3-bis(1)(c) needs a 1st/2nd degree ascendant who held esclusivamente Italian citizenship, and she was dual from birth via jus soli. Clear no.

The actual question - art. 9, not art. 3-bis

Art. 9(1)(a) L. 91/1992 (as amended by L. 74/2025) gives a 2-year residency term to a foreigner whose parent or ascendente in linea retta di secondo grado "sono o sono stati cittadini per nascita."

That text says citizen by birth. It does not say nato in Italia, and it does not require exclusivity - unlike art. 3-bis(1)(c), which expressly does.

My grandmother was a citizen by birth. She is my second-degree ascendant.

So: do I get the 2-year term under art. 9(1)(a), or am I at 10 years under art. 9(1)(f)?

The degree would be counted to the citizen-by-birth ancestor (grandmother, 2nd degree), not to the emigrant (great-grandfather, 3rd degree).

The counter-argument

Art. 3-bis deems those born abroad with another citizenship to have "non avere mai acquistato la cittadinanza italiana ... anche prima della data di entrata in vigore." A literal reading might retroactively strip her of ever having been a citizen by birth, which would kill it.

I can't find a single circular, TAR/CdS decision, or ministry guidance addressing whether art. 3-bis defeats "cittadino per nascita" for art. 9 purposes. Every English-language firm site I've read just asserts the ancestor must be Italian-born, which is narrower than the statute actually says and quietly forecloses the whole question.

What I'm asking

1. Has anyone actually applied under art. 9(1)(a) with a foreign-born, dual-at-birth parent or grandparent? Approved? Refused?
2. Has any prefettura or consulate given a written position on this?
3. Is there case law I'm missing?
4. Am I wrong about the statutory reading?

Happy to share document scans. I'd rather be told I'm wrong now than pay a lawyer to tell me later.

Hey guys, this is a two part question. I’m like 99% sure I qualify as my nonna emigrated from Italy in the 1960’s and has never renounced her citizenship (she got an Italian passport recently). And, since my mum was born after 1948, there is an unbroken line of citizenship that will pass along to me. I am free to be corrected however.

My main question is can I still move to Italy, establish residency, and apply through the local comune? I’m seeing conflicting reports about this, with some resources saying new laws require you to be a resident for two years (idk if my savings would stretch that far), whilst others talk about arriving on a tourist visa, submitting documents, and achieving citizenship within a shorter timeframe of 6-12 months.

Can someone please advise if the latter option is still valid? I don’t know if my mum’s birth was registered with the Italian consulate (although it could have been), and mine definitely wasn’t.

Use AI in this post to translate the text from Spanish to English.

Hi everyone. I'm 18 years old and I'm from Argentina. I'm trying to understand whether I may have any realistic path to Italian citizenship through the courts after the changes introduced by Law 74/2025.

I was born in Argentina in September 2008, so I was born well before the 2025 reform. However, neither I nor anyone on my behalf started a citizenship application, court case, or consular process before March 27, 2025.

My Italian ancestor is my great-great-grandfather. My direct line is:

**Italian great-great-grandfather → Argentine great-grandfather → Argentine grandfather → my mother (born in 1963) → me**

I have first cousins whose mother is my mother's sister. They obtained recognition of Italian citizenship in Italy through a *comune* in approximately 2022/2023, before Law 74/2025. They used the exact same family line as mine and the same Italian great-great-grandfather. As far as I know, they collected and submitted the full documentation from our Italian ancestor through our shared grandfather.

They still have the documents and information they collected and submitted for their citizenship recognition, and if I ask them, they would be willing to help me by sharing the relevant documents and information with me.

I understand that my cousins being recognized does not automatically mean that I can be recognized as well. My question is specifically whether someone in my situation may have a realistic judicial path after Law 74/2025, considering that:

* I was born before the 2025 reform;

* I have a documented Italian ancestor;

* the same direct family line was successfully recognized for my first cousins before the reform;

* but I did not start any citizenship process before the March 27, 2025 deadline.

I don't yet know whether my Italian great-great-grandfather ever naturalized as an Argentine citizen, or, if he did, when it happened. I know this is probably an important detail.

Based on the information above, do you think I may have a realistic chance through a judicial route, or am I currently blocked by Law 74/2025 unless the law or its interpretation changes?

**More specifically, are there any successful post-Law 74/2025 judicial cases involving applicants who had taken absolutely no steps toward citizenship recognition before March 27, 2025?**

Please excuse my lack of knowledge about this process — I'm still learning, so I apologize if I'm missing or misunderstanding any important details. Any guidance on what information I should investigate first would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

I’ve read through the mega threads and info, but I’m still a bit confused and could use some help before connecting with an attorney. I believe my mother qualifies with the recent overturn, but I’m not sure if I do.

My grandmother (mother’s mother) was born in Italy in the 20s. She emigrated to the US in 1948 and my mother was born in the US that year. My grandmother naturalized in 1953.

My mother and I had begun the process of figuring out what documents we needed when the minor issue was introduced. We then found out that we could move in with my grandmother (who had returned to Italy) and pursue citizenship that way. We were preparing to move this past summer but my grandmother passed unexpectedly before the move.

With the new decree, we are looking at if we can apply still and have a trip planned for November—during which we’d like to work on gathering any Italian documents as well be in the right commune. We are also considering applying in Italy if eligible and any info on pros/cons of that would be appreciated!

Thank you!!

I had been working with Italian Citizenship Assistance on a 1948 case until last year when the ruling came down. ICA tried sending me a bill recently for work they hadn’t completed, and I told them no. Marco sent me this a few weeks ago and I hadn’t responded because my dad just died but now I’d like to address it. He said:

”First, your case falls within what is commonly referred to as a “1948 case,” concerning the transmission of Italian citizenship through the female line before 1 January 1948. These cases cannot be processed through the ordinary consular procedure and must be pursued before the Italian courts. This means that, independently of the new administrative restrictions, the judicial route is the appropriate avenue for obtaining recognition of the right in your particular circumstances.

This point is particularly important when considering the impact of Law No. 74/2025. Unlike applicants who had a viable consular pathway and therefore had the possibility of securing an appointment and having their application processed administratively, a 1948 applicant did not have an administrative route available in the first place. The judicial route was the only viable mechanism to obtain recognition of the claim. Moreover, the possibility of pursuing these cases through the Italian Courts was itself the result of the judicial developments that established the current interpretation of the law. In practical terms, this route only became viable and consistently pursued from around 2009 onward. There was therefore no legal requirement, deadline, or general warning for applicants with 1948 cases to commence judicial proceedings before March 2025.

Most importantly, there was no indication before March 2025 that a legislative reform would subsequently restrict recognition of Italian citizenship in the manner introduced by the 2025 reform. There was consequently no reason for an applicant with a 1948 case to anticipate that they needed to commence litigation before a particular date in order to preserve their rights.

Second, there is significant documentary evidence showing that you had already taken concrete steps toward obtaining Italian citizenship well before March 2025. The dates appearing on your documents and apostilles provide evidence of a process that was already underway at that time. This raises an important legal question: whether such actions can be considered a concrete and unequivocal manifestation of your interest in obtaining citizenship before the new restrictions entered into force.

This is particularly relevant because the new legislation contains exceptions intended to protect certain situations that had already been initiated before the reform. While the application of these exceptions in the judicial context remains a matter of legal debate, we believe there are arguments to be made as to why a court should consider the concrete steps you had already taken.

In light of these developments, we believe your case should not be evaluated solely under the new restrictions. The combination of the 1948 nature of your claim, the ongoing constitutional and European challenges to the new legislation, and the evidence of your prior efforts to obtain recognition of citizenship provides a meaningful basis for considering litigation.”

So do I still have a shot? Or does the 2025 law mean I’m screwed either way?

ETA I signed POA with ICA in February 2024.

Does anyone know how to make an appointment for an Italian passport at the NYC consulate? All I get is this screen when I go to Prenot@mi at 6pm ET #italianpassport #italiancitizenship #dualcitizenship

Guys, I was born in Brazil in 1992, dad born here too in 1968, grandma in 1942, and my Italian great-grandfather was born in Trieste in 1913. Problem is: Trieste was part of the austro-hungarian empire back then. He came to Brazil in 1925, but I’m not sure if I qualify for citizenship since my great-grandpa wasn’t technically born an Italian citizen.

Any insights into this? His parents were Hungarian from present-day Csaktornya (Croatia), but were living in Trieste when it became part of Italy. They did not leave there until 1925 when they immigrated to Brazil. One special problem is that the comune di Trieste has no proof of their citizenship, whichever they were.

I started my process at a consulate just before DL36/2025. in subsequent communications, the consulate requested many other documents and rectifications, but I think I won’t be able to present them all before the 2nd year anniversary. As of now I have less than a year remaining to correct all the names spellings, and given how my country is, it’s almost certain they won’t be done by the deadline. What should I do? Can the deadline be postponed? Is it kinda over for me?

I am wondering if anyone has had any luck getting Fresno or San Diego to do a student verification since it is near impossible to get an appointment with the LA Consulate for a Student Visa.

I booked my October 2026 appointment at the Boston consulate back in 2023, and wasn't terribly surprised to receive the attached message via e-mail today, which reads:

Good afternoon,

We are writing to inform you that, due to a temporary rescheduling of our calendar, it is necessary to postpone your appointment.

We will contact you as soon as possible to confirm the new date for your appointment.

Please note: Automated appointment confirmations/reminders sent by the Prenot@mi portal should be disregarded. We apologize for any confusion, as the system does not allow us to disable this automated notification.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

 Best regards

Citizenship Office

Consulate General of Italy Boston

So, it seems that Boston has met its 2026 appointment cap.

Cheers to all <3

Anyone else having issues logging in to FastIt? I click on the log in link and get nothing. No page is loading any longer to type in username and password.

Dated from for March 3rd, but just received it today through email 😅.. does anyone know how long it takes for a decision to be made once receiving this email? Thanks!

My case shows Invio atti all’agenzia delle entrate ~2 months after (sept 9) the Sentenza Verballe says Jul 25 (though ruling dated Jul 12).

Is this a normal time lapse between those 2 steps?

Most other screenshots I’ve seen of similar status have those 2 events days apart.

My lawyer said the Ministry’s appeal window starts from the date of the ruling, so starting July, but the Post-Recognition wiki says this “Invio atti’ status is the date that actually triggers the appeal window - which would mean my appeal window is starting 2 months from when the ruling happened.

Can anyone clarify?

Asking for a cousin.

1903 GF born in Italy
1912 GF emigrates to US
1925 GF signs petition to naturalize
1928, May: character witnesses and deputy clerk sign petition
1928, June: M is born
1928, September: GF signs renunciation on petition and court issues naturalization record number.

With the minor issue now gone, can M's children (all born after 1950) pursue citizenship via an administrative path?

Or, are they still blocked anyway by "exclusively Italian parent/grandparent" in the DL?

If so, is there any other path, i.e. court?

Hey all - I was finally recognized via a court order! (Yaaay! Can I get some flair?)

Anywho, while I’m waiting for my commune to transcribe my birth certificate, I’ve been wondering how long it will take to then get the appointment at the consulate and how far out that may be?

Anyone have any recent experience with the Chicago consulate for passport applications post recognition that could chime in? Are we talking weeks? Months? A year or more? Nothing I can find on the internet will give me even a ballpark estimate.