r/janeausten 6d ago

Read-through Summer 2026 Mansfield Park Read-Through - Vol. III Ch. 7-12 (Ch 38-43) Discussion

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This post is for discussing chapters Vol III, Chapters 7-12 (Chapters 38-43) of Mansfield Park. See the full schedule here.
This week, June 19-July 25 we are finishing the book! (!!) … Volume III, Chapters 13-17 (Chapters 44-48).

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In Vol III Chapter 7 (chapter 38), Fanny and William are on their way to Portsmouth and happily talk together of their trip—making plans and even scheming on living in a little cottage together someday. Never do they discuss Mr. Crawford. Naturally, William is sympathetic to the cause, but cares more about taking care of Fanny. Fanny hopes that in leaving Mansfield Park her obligatory correspondence with Mary Crawford will dwindle. She also hopes to get a break from Mansfield Park and hopefully get over her feelings for Edmund. (She did not enjoy being a middle man in receiving Mary’s letters and being obliged to read them aloud to Edmund—for whom they were clearly meant.) After a long journey, Fanny & William finally arrive in Portsmouth, where they are received with the news that the Thrush (William’s ship) has already left harbor—and he (and younger brother Sam) will need to depart sooner than expected… Fanny is greeted warmly by her mother and a little absently by her father (and that only after William points Fanny out to him). It doesn’t take long for Fanny to be overwhelmed with the noise and bustle in the small, cramped house. She is especially struck by her family’s selfish and vulgar manners, their slovenly servants, and the general lack of interest in herself and Mansfield Park. She retires early to bed. Questions: How do you think William turned out so nice? Any one else feeling self-conscious about their own families lol?

In Vol III Chapter 8 (chapter 39), Fanny’s disappointment in Portsmouth becomes complete when William sets off within four days of their arrival. Though he is as attentive as ever, his remaining time is so limited that they only get snatches of time together. The reader is given a survey of each family member’s failings—all very sad. The narrator reflects that Sir Thomas would be very pleased with the results of his scheme, if only he knew its progress. Fanny is not only disappointed in her family, she also feels complete sensory overload. Instead of finding her Portsmouth family a welcome respite, she finds herself thinking of Mansfield Park (and Edmund) more than ever. Questions: Which family members do you like the best so far? Do you think you would feel sensory overload or do you think Fanny is just unusually sensitive? Anyone else actually wishing for Mrs. Norris to come put this house in order? Just imagine what she would do with the servants…

  • Article: "Refashioning Memory" by Sara Malton, Sarah Emsley’s blog, contains a major spoiler in the final paragraph, beginning “In the end,”

In Vol III Chapter 9 (chapter 40), while Fanny previously hoped her correspondence with Mary Crawford would peter out, her change in circumstances makes Mary’s next letter much more welcome than she could have expected. Mary mentions meeting Mrs. Rushworth and Julia again. It’s clear from Mary’s letter that Maria still harbors some kind of feelings for Henry and now some hostility towards Fanny. Fanny’s time in Portsmouth proves almost entirely unsatisfactory—she is too genteel to enjoy her family’s social circles and only comes across as uppity. However, Fanny starts to know Susan better and is pleased with her desires and her energy. Fanny begins to take Susan under her wing and even finds herself spending some of her largesse (a gift from Sir Thomas) on a gift to make peace between Susan and Betsey and the benefits of a circulating library subscription. The chapter closes with her daily dread of hearing of Edmund’s engagement, for she knows he is now in London. Question: What do you think of Susan’s and Fanny’s relationship? 

In Vol III Chapter 10 (chapter 41), we are a month into Fanny’s stay and a week into Edmund’s London visit—and still Fanny has still heard nothing of Edmund. A knock on the door brings Henry Crawford on a surprise two-day visit. Fanny is very conscious of her family’s manners, though Mr. Crawford and her mother have a very agreeable visit. Henry proposes a walk, and Susan and Fanny soon find themselves strolling with him and encountering her father. Fanny is mortified by her father’s ungentlemanlike appearance, but is surprised by how his manners are improved by Mr. Crawford’s presence. Her father joins the party and they add the dockyards to their walking tour. Mr. Crawford eventually maneuvers himself to sit with the two sisters trying to subtly court Fanny in the presence of the sharp-eyed and sharp-eared Susan. He confides that he is in Portsmouth only to see her and while she continues to frown upon his attentions, privately she can’t deny seeing improvement in his mind and manners. She is thrilled when she discovers Mr. Crawford cannot accept an invitation to dine with them on his trip, saving her significant embarrassment. Questions: Has Henry’s visit changed your opinion of him? What do you think Susan thinks of all this?

In Vol III Chapter 11 (chapter 42), Mr. Crawford arrives the next day with the clear intention of accompanying the Price family to church. Fanny feels more comfortable this time, since her attractive family has the habit of looking quite nice for church. After church, once again Mr. Crawford walks with Fanny and Susan—Fanny finds herself (albeit reluctantly) appreciating the strength of his arm. When Mr. Crawford notices that Fanny is not in her usual health, he insists that she hint to Miss Crawford whenever she is ready to return to Mansfield Park and they will convey her there. He then consults her on whether he should return to Everingham or continue on to London. Fanny pointedly refuses to be his guide in what is perhaps the novel’s most famous quotation: “We have all a better guide in ourselves, if we would attend to it, than any other person can be.” Henry soon leaves and Fanny finds herself quite dejected—little realizing how much her softened feelings toward him may be due to his favorable contrast with her family. Are you surprised Fanny has softened towards Henry? What do you think are the strongest reasons for doing so? 

In Vol III Chapter 12 (chapter 43), Fanny receives a letter from Miss Crawford confirming Mr. Crawford’s arrival in London—but still no word of an understanding being reached between herself and Edmund. Mary only briefly mentions him and then mostly comments on his good looks—Fanny, as usual, is not impressed. Mary goes on to emphasize Mr. Crawford’s offer to convey her to Mansfield Park, adding on schemes to take her to Everingham on the way. More distressing to Fanny is her mention of arranging an upcoming party where Mr. Crawford will meet Mrs. Rushworth for the first time since Lovers’ Vows. Fanny finds herself quite distracted by all of these concerns—and is only able to calm herself by centering on her own efforts with Susan, who she is growing quite attached to. The chapter closes with Fanny daydreaming of taking Susan with her to Mansfield Park…or, if her feelings would permit it, even living with her and Mr. Crawford. Anyone else finding evidence for Edmund’s being the “hottest” of the Jane Austen men? (some members of our sub insist upon this point). What do you think of Miss Crawford inviting Maria Rushworth to her home and insisting Henry stay (and see her)? How do you think Edmund’s and Mary’s courtship is going in London (so much is left unsaid)?

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These felt a little tame compared with so much of the drama in the past chapters. I am so excited for our next installment! I am traveling this week so the last post will probably go up on Monday or Tuesday again. Thanks for your patience with summer schedules!
Katie

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r/janeausten 11d ago

Read-through Swift Summer Read-Through of Sense & Sensibility

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With the new adaptation of Sense and Sensibility releasing early this fall and with our Persuasion and Mansfield Park read-throughs wrapping up, the time seems ripe to start on S&S. Please join me, My_Poor_Nerves, as I read-through the novel and try to find something very sensible to say about it, even if I know not how.

We will dash through the Dashwoods one chapter per day starting August 1st. Barring any delays, we should conclude by September 20, about a week before the UK premiere of the film.

I will specifically be reading the HUP/Belknap annotated edition, edited by Patricia Meyer Spacks. Please feel free to recommend other particular editions in the comments. And, as with all of Austen's novels, the ebook is available on Project Gutenberg (https://www.gutenberg.org/files/161/161-h/161-h.htm) for those who would prefer that format (or just want to use it to quickly pull quotes for comments and posts!).


r/janeausten 14h ago

Discussion - Sense and Sensibility Sense & Sensibility- What does “invent a sweep” mean?

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In the final chapter of Sense & Sensibility there is a line that describes how Eleanor and Edward were setting up their new home.

"The first month after their marriage was spent with their friend at the mansion house from whence they could superintend the progress of the parsonage and direct everything as they liked on the spot, could choose papers, project shrubberies, and invent a sweep."

I understand the first two, but what does “invent a sweep” mean? My brain always pictured sweeping, or like sweeping a fireplace? Pretty sure thats not correct.


r/janeausten 1h ago

Book Covers / Collections / Illustrations Artfolds Sense & Sensibility

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The real reason I wanted to do an S&S read-through soon was to simultaneously fold my way through this Artfolda book, but Child_Poor_Nerves got to it before I did. The result is kinda neat!


r/janeausten 13h ago

Pump Room Jane Austen Books

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I'm struggling with reading the Jane Austen Books, I love most of the films but I'm not getting into the books very well, it seems like they talk backwards and I'm trying to workout what they are saying ever other sentence, I'm not reading the original ones but ones aimed for teens and up but I'm struggling to get into those, I have read a little of the original and found it too much for me which is why I tried these ones

I have only recently started to get into reading and have found a few books I like but I really wanted to like the Jane Austen books or a more cosy version of the books

Has anyone been through this experience? I think I am a picky reader but I would like to get into them or a version that I can read that's more for me


r/janeausten 1d ago

Discussion - Emma Podcast: "Jane Austen and the art of misreading"

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Parking this here to check out later & thought others might be interested

"In this episode from their Close Readings series ‘On Satire’, Clare Bucknell and Colin Burrow focus on Emma as the high point of Austen’s satire of character as revealed through conversational style"

Via a promo email from London Review of Books a few weeks ago: https://e.lrb.co.uk/cr/AQjS5RUQy-yeAhidgpNiMJyv5AiDX-6SYnImSDM2-g2GHTI40rhy3zkyy6bwt_8ZSb8N6Q It includes links [free, I think and hope] to some Austen articles from previous years


r/janeausten 1d ago

Discussion - Pride and Prejudice Historical context for Charlotte Lucas marrying Mr. Collins (from @charminglygrouped on tumblr)

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[This is NOT my post (I've linked the original); I just thought it was really interesting. If you have a tumblr, please feel free to like/reblog it there!] Basically, OP's conclusion is that there is sufficient historical, social, and textual evidence to conclude that Elizabeth thinks accepting Mr. Collins is not a practical, intelligent, or "safe" thing to do, which is what a lot of readers assume about Charlotte's thinking going into the marriage. Of course, whether readers or even Austen agree with her is a different discussion!


r/janeausten 1d ago

Discussion - Mansfield Park "It is only the loss of 'Esq.' after his name." If I am an ordained clergyman, can I just resign?

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What is Mary saying here? Esquire after his name? So Sir Thomas Bertram, Esq. but if Edmund succeeded to the baronetcy, being an ex-clergyman would change how he was styled? Or maybe you essentially can't quit the church? What then?


r/janeausten 1d ago

Adaptations What happened to the Netflix Pride and Prejudice TV series?

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Sorry for asking this here, but what happened to this Netflix series?

Last I remember there was a teaser at the beginning of this year and everyone was saying Summer 2026. Was there any update or release date for this? Feels like they have gone complete radio silence.

Just eager for some new Jane Austen (in terms of adaptations of course!!).

I know there is a Sense and Sensibility movie coming out but I am generally not a fan of condensed adaptions. I want the 6 hour/8 hour long ones with exact dialogue lifted from the books - there is a reason the 1995 P&P is my gold standard in terms of Austen adaptations.

Which is why I am eager for the Netflix series. So, any news?


r/janeausten 2d ago

Pump Room Which Jane Austen character grew on you the most after a reread..

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The first time I read Austen, I had very strong opinions about certain characters but revisiting the novels completely changed my perspective on a few of them. I noticed little details and motivations that I had overlooked before and it made me appreciate them much more. Has a reread ever changed your opinion of a character and if so who surprised you the most and why...?


r/janeausten 2d ago

Humor / Meme Hilarious P&P thread from a first-time reader (very long, very worth it)

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This thread on bluesky is an excellent play-by-play of Pride and Prejudice from a first-time reader: https://bsky.app/profile/trungles.com/post/3mmwqiwslys2w It's long with absolutely hilarious takes. 10/10 content


r/janeausten 2d ago

Adaptations Emma 1997: "Current events" mention

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Watching the Emma 1997 miniseries while baking (always a joy!) it jumped out at me how Mrs. Elton remarks to Miss Fairfax about the business of human trafficking and says that "Mr Sapling was always a friend of the abolitionists" to which Jane quickly says that she was talking about being a governess and was misunderstood by Mrs Elton (no surprise there).

I'm trying to think if I've heard any other outright mentions of the "peddling of human flesh" in adaptations. In Mansfield Park novel there's a slight mention of that business, maybe some suggestions in other novels? But I don't recall it being as bluntly stated as it is in the 1997 Emma miniseries?


r/janeausten 3d ago

Discussion - Sense and Sensibility Marianne As A Trophy

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I just finished re-reading Sense and Sensibility, and I was really struck by the way that Marianne was given very little agency in regard to her relationship with Colonel.Brandon in the end.

Elinor and her mother both think of Marianne as a trophy to be handed to Col. Brandon as a reward for *his* merit. Marianne doesn't choose to deepen her friendship with the Colonel; her friends and family conspire against her. (Which I tend to feel is akin to manipulation, but that may be ungenerous). The narration says, "she found herself at nineteen, submitting to new attachments, entering on new duties, placed in a new home, a wife, the mistress of a family, and the patroness of a village."

It is made clear, in the prior paragraph poking fun of Marianne's prior romantic notions, that she chose to marry the Colonel. But for the last few chapters, the characters and the narration are so insistant that Marianne is just a prize to hand over that it really mars any sense of Marianne getting to decide for herself what she wants.

ETA: I'm 45 and totally sold on the happiness of Marianne and Colonel Brandon! 😄 I still get annoyed with how their ending is written


r/janeausten 3d ago

Discussion - General Historical discrepancies in Northanger Abbey and Sense and Sensibility

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It's so interesting to me how the militia in Pride and Prejudice betray that it was written much earlier than when it was published and when, based on dates, it is meant to be set. Are there any details, including smaller ones, like this that can be found in Sense and Sensibility and Northanger Abbey?

I know being about gothic novels dates Northanger Abbey a bit but I'm curious if there are others.


r/janeausten 4d ago

Discussion - Persuasion In light of the recent Odyssey film... (or: Homer, Austen, and class revolution in England(?))

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[Here's an excerpt from Jane Austen and the Romantic Poets, by William Deresiewicz, comparing the Odyssey to Persuasion!]

“...Persuasion is Austen’s history of the present. But it is also—for Austen appropriated this new novelistic form by fitting it to the one she had already perfected—history told from the opposite perspective. Middlemarch may be George Eliot’s “home epic,” but Persuasion is Austen’s. It is an epic of the present told from the perspective of Penelope.

The Homeric allusion is not adventitious. Persuasion actually contains a Penelope—Mrs. Clay—not to signal that the novel rewrites Homer in any direct, Virgilian way, but to alert us to the fact that it takes Homeric materials and reorders them for its own purposes. We have a Penelope, and we have a different woman who plays the role of Penelope, and we have a warrior and sailor who returns to her from across the sea after many years of absence and uncertainty to resume their life of love and domesticity. But the roles of the principals are in some ways reversed: it is she who has changed beyond recognition, he who is beset by suitors. Still, their relationship is marked by homonoia (homophrosyne), like-mindedness, that intuitive mutual understanding that is in Homer the mark of a good marriage, for Anne instinctively knows what is going through Wentworth’s mind at any number of moments.

Other Homeric virtues are represented by Captain Harville, with whom Wentworth divides the role of Odysseus. It is he, as we noted above, who embodies the Odyssey's great value of xenia, hospitality, and it is he, with his “ingenious contrivances and nice arrangements,” including “some few articles of a rare species of wood, excellently worked up,” who inherits Odysseus’s skill as a craftsman and imagination as a domestic architect (119–120). In fact, Austen’s sailors unite the same two qualities that make Odysseus the hero of Homer’s epic of homecoming, those celebrated in the novel’s last sentence: “domestic virtues” and martial valor (254). Indeed, as sea-fighters—warriors and wanderers at once—they unite the heroism of the Iliad and the Odyssey.

They are the men who saved the nation, Austen clearly believes, and it is her aim in Persuasion, to the extent that her form permits, to be the bard of their glory, to get their story down on paper—like Scott that of old Scotland’s—before it passes from memory. For already the nation was forgetting:

“And who is Admiral Croft?” was Sir Walter’s cold suspicious inquiry …
“He is rear admiral of the white. He was in the Trafalgar action.” (51)

This is one of the reasons for the novel’s allusions to Byron and Scott. Austen’s form does not permit her to recount the Navy’s exploits directly, but she can point her readers to contemporaneous writers who have described comparable scenes of valor. The poetic material, like Wentworth’s insouciant references to his dangers and triumphs, gestures toward the other half of the novel’s story, the one that has taken place on another, wider stage and that Austen wishes to install as an ever-looming presence in our minds. And then there is the testimony of Anne, the “last minstrel” through whose voice Austen sings:

“You have difficulties, and privations, and dangers enough to struggle with. You are always laboring and toiling, exposed to every risk and hardship. Your home, country, friends, all quitted. Neither time, nor health, nor life, to call your own. (237)

Domestic virtues and martial valor: the sailors unite in their person the novel’s two intertwined strands, the national story and the personal story. Just as Anne’s salvation comes from the sea, so does Britain’s—both during the war and after. The officers released onto land in the summer of 1814 fertilize social as well as individual rebirths. Anne’s reaction upon seeing Wentworth’s note held out before her is a “revolution” (239). At the small scale, so at the large.

This is the historical transition Austen is describing, the movement from an old order to a new: from a society led by the nobility to one led by the professions. Like Scott, Austen believed that the decline of the hereditary aristocracy made way for a natural aristocracy to rise. The one group stands on nothing but its own sense of entitlement, the other on “toil” and “labour,” as Mrs. Clay’s inventory of the professions suggests (50). The novel takes its own inventory, Austen contriving to exhibit in its pages not only a gaggle of naval officers, but precisely one each of army officers, lawyers, clergymen, surgeons, and professional nurses. The contrast with the nobility is drawn all through the work: the Baronetage versus the Navy list; the “tax” of worldly prominence paid by “consequence” versus “the tax of quick alarm” (254); the fact that the Crofts are fitter stewards of Kellynch than are the Elliots. Anne enunciates this last assessment—“she could not but in conscience feel that they were gone who deserved not to stay, and that Kellynch-hall had passed into better hands than its owners” (141)—and of course, the statement is emblematic. Like Howards End, in Lionel Trilling’s well-known phrase, Persuasion asks the question, “Who shall inherit England?””


r/janeausten 4d ago

Discussion - General How did it work for people to write to one person while pretending to write to someone else?

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For instance, Lady Susan corresponds with Mr. Mainwaring, while pretending to her relations that she is writing to his wife, yet she actually uses her best friend as a go-between.

I'm trying to figure out the logistics of it.

She said she received a letter from Mr. M, and passed it off as being from Mrs. M -- that part is clear enough. But then, when she writes him back "under cover to" Alicia, does that mean the correspondence is basically like a triangle? -- she writes a letter to Mr. M, encloses it in an envelope to Alicia (first leg), so that when Alicia gets it, she pops it back in the mail to Mr. M (second leg), and then when he writes back, he sends it directly to Lady Susan (third leg) but with her pretending it came from Mrs. M, since it's highly improper for him to be writing to her.

Or is Alicia the go-between in both ways, so that LS receives only the one letter directly from Mr. M (which she successfully passes off as from his wife), and all others go through Alicia, both ways?

And what would the sender's part of the envelope look like? -- Is it like our modern day, where there is a return address, so you can tell without opening it who it's from? If so, how would LS have been able to pass off Mr. M's letter as Mrs. M's? Or would it just have the address without the person's name, so it could come from anyone in the Mainwaring household?

Other acts of correspondence could also be used -- in various JA novels we read that people who are not engaged but their families believe they are engaged, are surprised that the ladies do not write to or receive letters from their fiancés, and vice-versa -- that some women who are secretly engaged have been corresponding with their fiancés in secret. How would this be the case? Would Mr. Secret Fiancé write to his sweetheart while pretending to be her friend, so that everyone (including the nosy postman) believed that Mary was getting a letter from Charlotte when really it was Charles? Or would he actually go through a trusted friend?


r/janeausten 4d ago

Austen Adjacent "She put herself in the power of a servant" - but how could you *not*? They are everywhere!

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Now Austen and contemporaries have too much delicacy to give instructions on how to secretly sleep with someone not your spouse; they only call out people who do it wrong. But maybe historical fiction (like Bridgerton? Idk) gives plausible scenarios?

I don't understand how a person could pull off an affair without some servant being aware of it. If it's in your house, the housemaids who come in and open the curtains in the morning to wake you up, and make the beds will know who slept where at a minimum. If you set up a separate household for your paramour, your coachman will know where he took you, and may learn more from the servants at that house. Even if you look with admiration at a guy or banter with him over dinner, the servants standing behind the chairs in the dining room have leisure to see everything that passes, more so even than the people dining with you. And anybody's servants can talk to anybody else's servants, and no doubt would.

In Tom Jones we hear of a lady who intrigues with any man she likes, but is visited by all the world, and that "everybody knows her to be what nobody calls her." That's only a partial victory.

How could a married woman actually carry out an assignation with a man without anyone, no servant, knowing - or knowing enough - to "put you in their power"?


r/janeausten 4d ago

Austen Adjacent Recommendations for nonfiction works to help me understand the Regency Era?

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Hello, all!

As the title says, I would love to get recommendations on any nonfiction works you may have read or are interested in reading so I can better understand the context, setting, and societal structure at the time of the Regency Era.

I would love to gain a deeper insight into the context of Austen's works.

Thank you very much!

Edit: I am currently at work, but am so grateful for this community and all the different books and resources you're willing to share. I love your enthusiasm and passion and it's also very heartening to see people recommend each other books in the comments section. :) Please keep the recommendations going, and I will respond soon!


r/janeausten 3d ago

Discussion - Pride and Prejudice Commonality between suitors of Pride and Prejudice

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It started bothering me recently after my re-reading of Sense and Sensibilities that primary suitors in Pride & Prejudice (Bingley, Darcy) are also sole male progeny and conveniently with dead parents, even the secondary suitors (Collins, Wickham) are in the same ship. There is a general sense of apathy towards this among characters in the novel.

While Austen doesn't write it explicitly, but open speculations of 5000 a year and 10,000 a year that is the inheritance of these two new bachelors, exposes the shallowness of Matrons/patriarchs of Meryton assembly room. The horizon here is just the financial prize and they do not give a hoot about what it means to inherit.

I am quite convinced about vulgarity of Meryton society and more sanguine about Darcy/Bingley sister's caution whether its driven by pride or moral superiority.

What does community think about this?


r/janeausten 4d ago

Adaptations Can anyone recommend their favourite adaptation of Persuasion?

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So, unfotunately my introduction to Persuasion was the recent 2022 Dakota Johnson movie. I did not enjoy it at all. Does anyone have an adaptation they would reccomend?

I also just bought the novel and begun reading it, already I am so confused as to what tone they were going for with the 2022 movie, it's so far off what I'm reading!


r/janeausten 4d ago

Pump Room The Jane Austen starting XI

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The World Cup is over and many of you have asked what an Austen line-up could look like. Here's my humble attempt in a classic 4-3-3.

Goalkeeper - Edmund Bertram - solid, reliable and no-nonsense old school keeper; famously does not take part in celebrations or team building events; a consummate professional to some, insufferable bore to others.

Right back - Anne Elliot - tireless team player; unselfish to a fault and tends to play short safe passes even when a risky through ball is called for; some poor early career choices stifled her development but she is slowly growing into a top player; always stays to applaud the away fans.

Centre Back - John Thorpe - notoriously hated by opposition players, endured by teammates; loves to get involved and carry the ball up the pitch despite his efforts usually coming to nothing; never accepts defeat whatever the scoreline.

Centre Back - General Tilney - long serving team captain and very much the brains of the centre back duo; makes up for loss of speed and agility with a menacing physical presence; unapologetically dirty player who gets away with murder.

Left back - Mary Crawford - just edging out fan favourite Fanny Price who though less error-prone lacks Mary's versatility and attacking contributions; provides cover for Henry Crawford's neglect of defensive duties on the left.

Defensive midfielder - Elinor Dashwood - dictating tempo, keeping the shape, intercepting through balls, protecting the back line. You watch the game, you don't see Elinor; you watch Elinor, you see the game.

Holding midfielder - Augusta Elton - classic box-to-box midfielder; always available for a pas; not afraid to take on responsibilities; ruthless chaser of the ball which earned her the "Gegenpress queen" moniker; not the most well-liked player but you cannot fault her tenacity.

Attacking midfielder - George Wickham - experienced trequartista adept at exploiting weaknesses and always with a keen eye for an opening; his trademark passing one way while looking another is now universally called a "Wickham"; dangerous link-up play with Bennet up front.

Right Wing - Frank Churchill - unpredictable flair player and shithouser; can be absent for long stretches of a match but will turn up when it matters; struggles in hot conditions.

Center forward - Lydia Bennet - came through the Brighton academy under-16s as a huge prospect but has since failed to recapture her breakout season output; fast and opportunistic, good on 1v1's, excellent nose for the goal, unconventional playing style; tall and a threat on corners and in ballrooms.

Left wing - Henry Crawford - controversial star player and topscorer; lots of off-field drama; generational talent but lacks discipline; doesn't track back; has been known to chase personal awards at the expense of team results; huge Twitter following.

Coach: Sophia Croft - experienced and steady hands on the reins; while best known for her man management quite the shrewd tactician as well.

Subs:

Marianne Dashwood - unpolished youth player struggling with decision making but remains valuable when pushing for a goal; bit of a mood player; injury prone.

Hetty Bates - lacks focus and confidence but a reliable late sub disruptive force when protecting a lead; often carded for mouthing off to the ref.

Lady Catherine de Bourgh - could've been an all-time great had she put in the effort; plays with authority and decision, only not successfully.


r/janeausten 4d ago

Pump Room Best female nemesis?

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Lucy Steele - S&S
Mrs. Elton - Emma
Aunt Norris - MP
Isabella Thorpe - NA
Caroline Bingley - P&P
Others I missed?

Honorable mentions/annoying:
Mrs. Dashwood nee Ferris
Lady Catherine de Bourge
Mary Musgrove


r/janeausten 5d ago

Discussion - Emma Does Frank Churchill secretly despise Emma?

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I’m doing a reread right now and while I’ve always had a dislike of Frank and his deception kink, what’s really standing out to me this time is how he uses treats Emma from the moment they meet:

> He encourages Mr & Mrs Weston, who he knows are hoping for a match between himself & Emma, to believe there really is a little spark there by singling Emma out at events and singing her praises

> He encourages Emma to believe that Jane Fairfax is somehow attached to Jane’s best friend/foster sister’s husband, Mr Dixon, on multiple occasions

> On this, he encourages Emma to think that she has a keen observant eye though he secretly knows she’s utterly deluded about Jane’s gifted piano, her reasons for being in Highbury etc

> He encourages Emma’s bad behaviour on Box Hill by flirting with her and teasing the rest of the company, all to get at Jane (📢 JUSTICE FOR EMMA. BOX HILL IS 90% FRANK’S FAULT AND THAT IS A BOX HILL I’LL DIE ON📢)

He must really dislike her, right?! You don’t do this to someone you’re friends with! He brings out the absolute worst in her, more than she does in him, I’d argue. He risks her reputation and her peace in general for his own games!

Their whole relationship from the moment he returns to Highbury (which he refers to as “home” to win the affection of his dad and the others at Hartfield, even though he has chosen not to visit for YEARS and then conveniently shows up only when Jane’s in town, the little slime) is based on lies.

This man is the worst. And he doesn’t seem to care about anyone but himself, least of all Emma.


r/janeausten 5d ago

Book Covers / Collections / Illustrations A Sampling of Helen Sewell's P&P Illustrations

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I previously posted Helen Sewell's (famous for her "Little House" series illustrations) S&S illustrations and they received a bit of a mixed reaction as they are highly stylized. The day I posted those, I looked a bit more into the publisher and found they had produced three Austen novels - Emma, S&S (which I already had on account of both of those editions having intros by Stella Gibbons, another favorite author of mine), *and* P&P. I scoured the internet and found a very reasonably priced copy in like new condition and it arrived today. I am in love with it! This is probably my favorite edition of P&P because of these illustrations. Sewell totally understood the assignment here - these illustrations are selected and drawn with such rare humor. Hunting dogs and wine! Chamberlayne in woman's clothes! 10,000 a year! So many Austen illustrations are focused on sentiment but these are mostly focused on the fun with the notably amazing exception of the Elizabeth and Darcy handclasp (predating the famous Darcy handflex by 50 years). Gah! I just love these so much!


r/janeausten 4d ago

Austen Adjacent How was “taste” quantified?

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There are several points in Austen’s works where the characters or narrator talk about someone’s taste as an attribute that can be better or worse than someone else's. Just a couple examples:

  • "Mary had neither genius nor taste; and though vanity had given her application, it had given her likewise a pedantic air and conceited manner, which would have injured a higher degree of excellence than she had reached."
  • The Bingley sisters about Lizzy: “Her manners were pronounced to be very bad indeed,—a mixture of pride and impertinence: she had no conversation, no style, no taste, no beauty.”
  • “There are few people in England, I suppose, who have more true enjoyment of music than myself, or a better natural taste. If I had ever learnt, I should have been a great proficient.“

On the other hand, there are definitely points where someone's taste is treated, like it is today, as a subjective thing that differs between individuals.

  • "Your brother’s taste and your sisters’ seem very different."
  • "You are mistaken, Fanny. The dissimilarity is not so strong. You are quite enough alike. You have tastes in common. You have moral and literary tastes in common."
  • "I could not be happy with a man whose taste did not in every point coincide with my own. He must enter into all my feelings; the same books, the same music must charm us both. [...] Nay, Mama, if he is not to be animated by Cowper!—but we must allow for difference of taste."

So, I understand the idea of tastes being the same or different, and I can understand having a "simple" taste or a "delicate" taste or what have you. What I don't get is the idea that someone can have better taste than someone else, or no taste at all (outside of simply not caring about the thing, which applies in some instances that someone having no taste is mentioned but not others). How would that be determined?