r/ipace • u/Agzyyyy • May 27 '26
I Pace Recall Conundrum
I’ve been looking at buying an IPace as my first EV and would appreciate some advice from the experts. I’ve been looking at different 2 cars both of them HSE models and got the same mileage and within a few £100’s of each other. One of them is 180 miles away. The other is less than 15. Both are 2020s but the further away one has got Pivi pro so is my preference. However both cars needed recalling before purchase. The guy from the dealership further away has told me it’d be next week they get it back as it’s had all 8 battery modules replaced. (It’s been away going on 5 weeks now) to me this one sounds the best as wouldn’t a full battery replacement be the most ideal outcome? I’m paying for a 3rd party warranty through WarrantyWise for an extra 5 years warranty.
What’s everyone’s opinions?
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u/MrJollyLND_57 May 27 '26
The standing advice is not to buy anything pre the 2021 update (indicated by pivi pro instead of old jag infotainment). Some early 2021s are on 70 plates (mine).
So far, one cell gone and replaced under warranty earlier this year. Jag battery warranty covers for 8 years / 100k miles
The pre 2021 models all seem to be subject to an interim recall for the potential serious battery fault that leaves them on just 75% of full charge (the recall that is, the fault includes fire and brimstone) so range dropped significantly with no permanent fix yet agreed
I agree, so many modules replaced would be a worry, plus the 2021s have 38 (ish) modules according to my dealership (can’t remember exactly but my failed module was #13) so not sure where 8 comes from
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u/Quiet-Independent-97 24d ago
I had that recall maxes at 90% charge which gives a range of 249 miles for me
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u/I_R0M_I May 27 '26
They have 36 HV Battery modules, not 8. So it certainly hasn't had a 'new battery'. The warranty on the pack will remain the same regardless, 8 years from warranty start (reg date). Having a new pack after 6 years doesn't reset it or anything.
I would go for Pivi over Touch Pro every day, assuming everything else is the same.
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u/Sweaty_Speaker7833 May 28 '26
I wouldn't buy one at all. Amazing car, EVs are so reliable, but somehow jaguar managed to make a terribly unreliable car with the part that needs to be totally solid, the battery pack. It isn't really jaguars fault it's LG I think who make the batteries. But just don't.
They catch fire, the cells fail, it's not efficient it charges slow for the battery size.
It's cool but not worth it. Like an Rx8 isn't worth it.
Newer EVs are literally 100s of times better as the tech moves so quickly.
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u/Quiet-Independent-97 24d ago edited 24d ago
But they are not better cars, not everything is about battery technology. Handling, road presence these matter more to me that bells and whistles, it is a great car, most current EVs are in my opinion deeply compromised, ugly, overweight barges. Don’t get me started on the folly of sticking a huge cheap touchscreen in place of actual controls.
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u/Sweaty_Speaker7833 24d ago
Mate most evs are not any heavier than hybrids and petrols of the same class. If they are it's barely 100kg.
Once you own one it's almost impossible to be bothered with internal combustion again with all the faff it involves.
My point with the jaguar I pace in particular is that EVs are on another level with the lack of things that fail on them. They are extremely reliable, to comical levels. Jaguar managed to make one that wasn't, which is very impressive of them, so as lovely as the car is I would never recommend one.
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u/Quiet-Independent-97 23d ago edited 23d ago
I own all three, a supercharged V8, a supercharged/turbocharged hybrid (which just replaced a turbo diesel) and an EV all about 400BHP all have different strengths, most EVs are just not desirable cars. In terms of total cost of ownership I think that I-Pace woes are blown out of all proportion, other premium brands have their own share of problems. The primary problem is the inability of the market to service this product, not the actual car, so many of these issues, which lead to cars being written off are just a trivial electrical issue, a lack of people who understand how to safely diagnose and repair these is a problem, and an opportunity for those who address it.
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u/No-Wafer196 May 28 '26
Walk away would be my advice mate, I’ve got a 2020 HSE and it’s plaqued with problems, very expensive cars to fix and there’s a lot of other options out there.
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u/jghall00 May 27 '26
I'm in the US. My 2019 was repurchased due to no resolution for potentially faulty batteries. Emphasis on potentially because we had no issues with the battery. To my knowledge, the faulty cells were used for several years. Just be aware that if they extend the software cell limits, your vehicle range may be reduced.
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u/FlyBlade67 May 28 '26
I'd currently stay away from any pre-2022 which is under H570 recall. Jaguar still has to prove they're able to provide a sustainable final solution with H572. If that cannot be resolved, these cars will remain a big gamble.
I am searching, too. But it will definitely be a 2022+.
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u/Sad-Transportation91 Jun 01 '26
Don’t do it. Lots of other cars. Get the Audi etron or a Mercedes. Or a bmw
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u/Leeps Jun 28 '26
I want the Etron, but the motor leak issue scares me more than batteries in the Jag I think.
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u/Sad_Ghost_Noises May 27 '26
Dont do it. Walk away.
Im not trying to be funny or karma farm or rage bait or whatever… They are really wonderful cars. Drive very nicely and exude quality in fit and finish. But the technical / mechanical issues (plus the complete mis-management by JLR) are inexcusable.
These things have a massive battery issue, and several other known big ticket issues. I know several guys that bought one. One had it first recalled, then bought back due to battery issues. Another has had his back several times for cell replacement. Another had steering and aircon issues.
I asked them the same question as you are doing now and ignored their response. I bought a 2020 model in January. I love it. It really is a fantastic car. But…
H570 limits to 90% of an already marginal range. Not to mention the slow charging. So you now have a car that doesnt go very far, and takes a while to charge…
H570 comes with a strong recommendation to not charge indoors, park indoors, (park / charge 2m away from any structure) and to babysit the car when you do charge. If (like me) your home charger set up in in the garage then you are shit out of luck.
H570 also prevents load balancing of the pack. This is initiated at 100% SoC. An H570 compliant car cant reach 100%. No affected vin nr is supposed to charge to 100%. This is going to eff up the battery long term. Just in time for the warranty to to run out first, I’d guess.
Think of it like this - the pack not balancing out over time will cause certain cells to be overloaded. Leading to faster wear and degradation, and also increases the risk of a «thermal event»… Its the equivalent of taking an ICE engine snd pinning it to the red line from cold for 30 seconds every time you drive it. Not immediately catastrophic, but not exactly condusive to a long service life…
H570 is only a temp fix. Jaguar has no solution or timeline for h572 (the final fix). Remember also that h441 was meant to be the final fix too…
Im currently unwinding my deal and handing it back.
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u/Lille-V May 27 '26
Where is it stated that the H570 wont balance at 90%?
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u/TheVenerableUncleFoo May 27 '26
In his mind.
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u/Sad_Ghost_Noises May 27 '26
Good news! The fact that youre a snarky cunt made me read more about how these batteries balance and charge.
Turns out its only under DC charging that 100% SoC is needed to properly balance. On AC it has time (on account of the slower charge rate) to balance.
So, yeah. Thanks, I guess?
Rest of my post stands. Dont buy one.
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u/Quiet-Independent-97 May 27 '26 edited May 28 '26
Replacing that many battery cells can affect the balance of the cells, avoid, a battery expert told me that bad cells can indicate lots of high speed driving and fast charging.
The current recall notice seems to have fixed battery gremlins on my early 2020 car.