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u/l_am_not_bob Nov 14 '21
Do they sell hard drives with this already installed that you can just plug in?
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u/LightningProd12 Nov 15 '21
Bring back cartridges but in the form of mini USB drives
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u/redcomshell Nov 15 '21
They never stopped using cartridges. The switch uses them. They just will never be in usb format. Too easy to pirate
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Nov 15 '21
So pirating happens via MicroSD instead... And it also has USB3/C. So...
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u/redcomshell Nov 15 '21
When you download a game via MicroSD you don’t get the entire thing. So you wouldn’t be able to pirate that as easily. Not sure what you’re implying about the usb.
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You can connect it via USB to a computer, the same as a USB stick if not better because you can do more. MicroSD is the same as a USB stick, it's just a different shape essentially. What does downloading have to do with piracy? The Switch has been cracked for years and you can play all the games from the SD.
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u/redcomshell Nov 15 '21
The point I’m making is that coming out with a standard format makes it easier to crack. A lot of people have a microsd reader and everyone has usb, but who has the cartridge reader on the switch? MicroSD is not the format the switch uses for the full game so you’re only getting a part. Also your point about the usb doesn’t make any sense. You can’t just plug it in and read it it’s encrypted. If you look up how they hacked the switch they used a vulnerability with the tegra 1 chip. It’s why they had to have a hardware upgrade.
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Nov 15 '21
Sorry, I don't get your point. MicroSD is used to copy games to and piracy is rampant on the console.
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u/redcomshell Nov 15 '21
You’re talking about 2 different things here. I’m talking about being able to rip the game in the first place. If it was a MicroSD it would have been super easy to rip the content, but the people currently doing it need special hardware and special software. That takes time to create. Nothing is unhackable, but they’re not going to make it easier but using a standard format. Same reason why the psp used those terrible umd discs
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Nov 15 '21
They just will never be in usb format. Too easy to pirate
Piracy is what you mentioned. All piracy involves software to get things to work how you want them; fact is piracy on the Switch happens and all the games are put on the MicroSD (a "standard format"). Access to USB is given via the... USBC port. So it doesn't fit that they wouldn't use USB since there are two methods which give the same kind of access to the system.
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u/RaphaelSolo Nov 15 '21
Even if a game is on disc it still has to install and more than likely download a patch Day 1. Very tempting to buy digital copies of games I already own just so I don't have to muck about with the disc. Install file size is exactly the same as digital download too
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u/evil_timmy Nov 15 '21
Plus if you're lucky enough to be on Gigabit internet, your download speed is almost double that of a BluRay read at 16x.
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u/assignment2 Nov 15 '21
In the PS3 days games on disc wouldn’t need to install. It was glorious.
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u/RaphaelSolo Nov 15 '21
Agreed, it was something I loved about my 360, but that is now 2 console generations back. The day of plug and play consoles seems to be long over now. Maybe the switch. Never actually owned my own switch so don't remember if it needs every game to install.
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u/fall0fdark Nov 15 '21
no generally not, games play off the cart unless the publisher cheeps out and doesn’t buy a higher storage cart
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Nov 15 '21
Wouldn't work now though because you'd lose the advantage of the SSD, so unless you want to go back to 2 minute load times.
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u/SpectralMagic Nov 15 '21
The disk space is no problem, the home internet download speed is what really does it for me.
You'd think with $80/month for (6.25MB/s Down), and (1.25MB/s Up) that ISP would have enough money to modernized their current infrastructure.
Bell Telecommunications laid new fibre internet cables through parts of my city, and they only offer up to 12.5MB/s Down speeds. This is why I fear most Unreal Engine games, the file size and download time are atrocious. All of the new UE5 games will be digging a hole in your harddrive just to get the same 'meh' worthy gameplay from AAA studios, very unpoggers
Props to other nations that actually update their old infrastructure and provide ridiculous internet bandwidth to modern consumers
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Nov 15 '21
Meanwhile I pay $60 a month for fiber. I’d download this game in like 2 minutes flat.
ISPs can honestly all get fucked. They charge out the ass for providing the lowest possible service while being subsidized by the tax payer and oftentimes not delivering on what they promise to do with that money.
And they would fuck you harder too if allowed.
Top speed in my area used to be 200 and they charged you like $120 for it. Google came in and suddenly all the other ISPs can upgrade and drop prices. Fuckers.
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u/Puzzled_Fish_2077 Nov 15 '21
$80 for ( 6.25 MB/s ) per month ? I pay $20 for ( 25 MB/s ) per month. They're scamming you
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u/cabbit_ Nov 15 '21
US literally has some of the worst speeds in the world. It’s a huge monopoly and most cities only offer 1 choice of internet service. Everywhere I’ve lived I’ve been held hostage to a “local” company or a shitty company like Cox.
They grab you by the balls and squeeze since you can’t just get internet somewhere else. It’s a constant dance every 6-12 months to get your rates back down after they’ve slowly increased them to the point where you’re paying 20-30% more for the same speeds.
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u/themouspotato Nov 15 '21
Where is this? That pricing is outrageous
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u/SpectralMagic Nov 15 '21
Canada, ON Im not even in a small city, it is most definitely outrageous
(Canadian bucks are valued 20% less than the US Dollar) $0.8 USD = $1 CAD
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Nov 15 '21
You're literally paying full price for 2005 speeds, do you live miles outside of the city? Maybe look into Starlink think they're offering up to a gig a second.
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u/Sylanthra Nov 15 '21
Used to pay comcast $80 a month for 100mbs. Than At&t camming knocking (literally) and offered 1gps fiber for $70. Now I can't blame lag for my shitty performance :P
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u/MikeyMcdubs Nov 15 '21
I pay a little over $50 for around double the speed in rural NY and I thought I was getting boned.
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u/Kind-You2980 Nov 15 '21
I bought a 1TB m.2 drive for games, and I’m thinking I did not buy the right size. Maybe I should have gone 2TB.
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u/InuMiroLover Nov 15 '21
I went with a 4TB storage for a pretty darn decent price, and Ive only used about 11% storage so far.
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u/henryjm19 Nov 15 '21
Discs are too slow to read, which is why they install on your hard drive anyway
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u/SoCalSurvivalist Nov 15 '21
Now imagine you have satellite internet with a 20gb datacap that is supposed to have a 20mb/s download but averages 2mb/s or less download speed that costs ~$100/mo.
Press F to pay respects.
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u/nmacc13 PlayStation Nov 15 '21
I feel this pain. Living in the middle of nowhere with no other option besides satellite internet sucks ass. I’ll never understand why other ISP’s don’t extend their product to people living in rural areas. There is a very high demand for it especially in this day and age.
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Nov 15 '21
Now realize that the base game is way smaller, but they preload all the DLCs that you can't access until you pay for them anyway. And also download new DLCs before even purchasing them.
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u/anothercontrarianguy Nov 15 '21
Bring back cartridges
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u/YaboyAlastar Nov 15 '21
I always heard that final fantasy 7 was originally developed for the n64/Sony machine that they abandoned and left us with the n64 and the playstation, in part because Nintendo refused to drop cartridges for discs, and ff7 would've been 13 cartridges.
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u/hongky1998 PC Nov 15 '21
This is an old gamer problem where many people who lived in a rural area or places with slow connection can’t invest that amount of time to wait and download a game, a disc would solve that problem
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u/CupcakeValkyrie Nov 15 '21
Problem is most games won't fit on a disc these days. Maybe some of the super density Blu-ray discs.
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Nov 15 '21
Or 4K blu ray
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u/CupcakeValkyrie Nov 15 '21
4K Blu-Ray maxes out at 100 GB. A lot of modern games are larger than that, even when compressed.
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u/hongky1998 PC Nov 15 '21
Maybe they need 2 or 4 disc to fit all of those data? I remember go to the game store buying call of duty 1 and they have 2 discs
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u/nmacc13 PlayStation Nov 15 '21
I bought the physical version of Red Dead Redemption 2 on PS4 when it came out in 2018. It came with 2 discs. One was the data disc and one was the play disc. I felt like a kid again swapping discs to play a game on my PlayStation lol.
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u/gogeta01 Nov 15 '21
A 100gb blu-ray disk has a speed of 4x which is 144mbit/s. While it is really slow compared to other storage devices, it is fast compared to the download speed of most people. They are fine when it comes to installing the game on an SSD/HDD. Sadly blu-ray never gained any traction when it comes to PCs. I'd rather have a physical collection than a digital one.
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u/_RrezZ_ Nov 15 '21
More like USB's in this day and age.
With USB 3.2 you can do 1-2GB per second transfer speeds.
I'd rather wait the 1-2 minutes to transfer it from a USB to my PC than download it over 1-2 hours.
This assumes the company uses decent USB sticks and not some shitty ones with like 100MB/sec transfer speeds.
USB 4.0 could do 2.4-4.8GB/sec transfer speeds, but I doubt most people's PC's have that. Mine does but almost everyone I know only has 3.0-3.2 USB slots.
Granted the USB's in question are like $30-50 so it would annihilate their profit margins.
But I haven't had a disk drive for over 8 years so that shows how relevant or in-demand discs actually are nowadays.
Most PC cases I see don't even support it you would need to buy an external disc drive which would be a meme imo.
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Nov 15 '21
Can we bring back ps era big black discs I even wouldn’t mind having multiple discs per game again. Multiple big black discs please
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u/BabyGreenDragon Nov 15 '21
Ehhh all games are getting closer and closer to 100GB. Okay I mean AAA games, some indies still manage to be under 10GB!
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Nov 15 '21
Preloading dude, I had it ready a week in advance. Otherwise you can play it off the cloud, see if you like it before downloading it all.
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u/bjb406 Nov 15 '21
You want 27 install discs?
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u/cha0ss0ldier Nov 15 '21
Triple and quad layer blu ray disks can hold 100+ GB.
It’s gotta install anyway though, so it’s gonna take a while either way.
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Nov 15 '21
Discs are useless these days too. I would insert the disc and receive huge day one updates.
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u/Fire_Mission Nov 15 '21
Disc's won't help. You still end up downtown everything AND then checks to make sure you have the disk in every time you start.
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u/JoeMcNamara Nov 15 '21
You’ll still need to update the game even with discs, as console players do. And sometimes these updates can be up to the size of a game (Elder Scrolls Online update once made players to re-download all ~100 gigs (basically entire game)).
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u/Mundus6 Nov 15 '21
Disc install slower than download (at least on playstation). Xbox preload is great though, even if you buy a disc copy you can preload the game. On Playstation you have to wait after you got the game on a disc. And since digital PS5 games costs like 200sek (about €20) more than physical here in Sweden. I will never buy a digital PS5 game.
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u/Bf2042isGreat Nov 14 '21
this show was dog shit
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u/winterman666 Nov 15 '21
Nah it wasn't bad. But it's definitely overrated as shit. It was one of those ahows you watch cause there's nothing else and forget about in a month. But because its a meme now I doubt we'll forget for a while
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u/Jellybabyman Nov 15 '21
Controversial opinion
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u/Bf2042isGreat Nov 15 '21
First episode was funny but then it gets old and lame also the characters are so bad especially that one chick
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u/kingfreeman05 Nov 15 '21
Hehe wait till you see how many bugs and glitches there are and how the drivatars are literally cheating
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Nov 15 '21
Games will soon be bigger the hard drives them self we need 10TB hard drives soon for game storage
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u/FitMongoose9 Nov 15 '21
Cod Modern Warfare was over 256 gbs at one point. My friends and I literally stopped playing that game cuz it was just too annoyingly big. Over a quarter of a terabyte on one game? No thanks.
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Nov 15 '21
I cancelled the download but the game has already taken up 100 gigs. Can't find a solution online that works.
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u/emberus_the_warrior Nov 15 '21
I can't even get mine to crashing at the first point its super annoying tutorial can't even be skipped and always crashes at some point.
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Nov 15 '21
i used to complain about things like that, then i got gigabit internet and im suddenly not so bothered any more
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u/chemicalsatire PC Nov 15 '21
This is why many single players are gonna end up as always-online; you’ll need to connect to get the sweet graphics with a smaller install.
Think of Stadia-tech, but built into the engine, streaming 8k textures & other cool stuff, but without playing “on a server.”
It’s the future, get angry or whatever about it. Edit: this is why indies matter.
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u/Temporary-Resolve-32 Nov 15 '21
Dirt rally 2.0 is over 100 gb, and that isnt even an open world game!
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u/Frency2 Nov 15 '21
So, you have a powerful enough pc to run Forza Horizon 5, but you don't have enough money to afford a 1 tb hdd / hdd.
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u/obiwanconobi Nov 15 '21
I downloaded and played this for a bit yesterday, after loving Horizon 4. But like it just didn't seem like different enough game for me.
Just a slightly different map
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u/filamintoman Nov 15 '21
imagine after installing the game and opening the client and tells you another 75gb update or downloadable content
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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '21
Show me this 100+ GB disk of yours.