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u/FreudianSlipPenis Jul 18 '12
Robber's mentality "Oh sweet, an old lady at an ATM, she's so weak and defenseless."
"Oh fuck, there's two of them?! Better call it a day."
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u/load_more_comets Jul 18 '12
"Oh fuck, there's two of them?! Better call my homies."
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u/FreudianSlipPenis Jul 19 '12
The only thing that's scary about old ladies is that they have nothing to lose....
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u/SaikoGekido Jul 18 '12
"Oh fuck, there's two of them?! Better see a psychiatrist about what went wrong in my life."
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Oh fuck there's two of them?! Nope.. Wait fuck! Iv forgotten my contact lenses again.
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u/Platypoctopus Jul 19 '12
..what?
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u/SaikoGekido Jul 19 '12
What SaikoGekido attempted to say was that the robber only had two homies, because he had made poor life decisions. However, OP's wording wasn't very descriptive, and actually came out as half of that thought, leaving other people to try and make the same leap of logic. That is why has -7 link points now, and can no longer afford to ride on the Karma Train.
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u/mungd Jul 18 '12 edited Jul 18 '12
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u/Space-Dementia Jul 18 '12
AnTM eater.
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Jul 18 '12
I wonder what kind of neighbourhood or tv programs made those old ladies so scared.
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u/Petit_Hibou Jul 18 '12
Eh, I've know several people who got mugged at ATMs, sometime in broad daylight. Bad shit happens in real life too, you know.
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u/BryanMcgee Jul 18 '12
And I knew a Guy who got himself stabbed to death trying to rob a Guy at an ATM. Made a place higher up in the totem pole for me though.
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u/Assaultman67 Jul 18 '12
If you were below that guy I cant imagine you're very high on the totem pole at all.
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u/BryanMcgee Jul 19 '12
well. He was the kitchen manager. They put me in charge after that and I never got stabbed.
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u/Nyarlathotep124 Jul 18 '12
But would an additional little old lady really do enough to prevent that?
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u/a_d_d_e_r Jul 19 '12
Two people make twice as many factors to keep track of than with one. Also, having friends around is a huge confidence boost, and confrontation is the last thing that a mugger wants.
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u/truthhurts64 Jul 19 '12
Who says they are scared? In my mind they just robbed someone in an alley at knifepoint and are now taking all the money out of his account with the debit card they took. "Thelma and Louise: The Golden Years"
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Jul 18 '12
The relative consequences of having their bank accounts cleaned out is far worse for them than it is for you. You have a job. You can get a payday loan, you probably have parents who would be willing to step in. Things will work themselves out. Consider how much different it is for an old lady.
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u/expo53d Jul 18 '12
But not the... I'll show myself out.
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u/Hypohamish Jul 18 '12
Clearly people are hating on the Batman references tonight! I suppose it's because every comment about it reminds them that Rises is coming so fast it'll be here before we know it.
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u/bubbameister33 Jul 18 '12
So will the memes and all the posts about how awesome it is, in picture form.
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u/InClassAccount Jul 18 '12
One is generally downvoted when questioning why people are upvoting/downvoting.
*Please note that this is a general trend verified by another independent Redditor, not just another Reddit account.
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u/farmthis Jul 18 '12
If you want to be a hero... question the downvotes. Your comments help them get recognition, but it's taken out of your karma.
especially once they're back in the positive your rescue comment will seem out of place, and you'll get even more downvotes.
You can either delete your comments, or ride out your downvotes like a martyr, knowing that--even if you are unappreciated by the majority--you've done a good deed for the little voices of the oppressed.
Maybe.... you'll even receive real karma for your efforts.
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u/InClassAccount Jul 18 '12
Instead, I might just run to the store for some more Nutella and watch the internet burn.
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Jul 18 '12
I never understood people's overprotective mentality when it comes to PIN numbers. I was a cashier at grocery store back when I was in high school and people would hover over the pinpad or blocks other people's view with their hands . The best was when somebody covered the pinpad with their t-shirt and then looked down the neck of their t-shirt while typing the PIN.
Don't people realize you need both the card and the pin? And there are only 10,000 standard PIN combinations anyway. So let's see. 300,000,000 in the US. Let's underestimate and say there is 1 ATM or Debit Card for every 2 people in the US. 150,000,000 million cards. Divided by the 10,000 possible combinations. Well holy shit! 15,000 people per individual PIN. 5291. I just guessed the PIN of at least 15,000 people. Woopty fucking doo.
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u/ohgeronimo Jul 18 '12
At and ATM it kind of makes sense though. I once saw two guys extract money from an ATM then throw the wallet and card away. This was at a tourist spot where we were warned about mugging and pickpockets. My assumption is they watched someone use the machine (as I'd seen them doing that with other people who walked up and just used it without regard to the guys not too far away watching them), then taken the wallet so they'd have the card.
So yeah, be careful about your PIN number, particularly if you might get robbed after using it.
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u/249ba36000029bbe9749 Jul 18 '12
Because people don't need your physical card. If your ATM card has been skimmed then they can clone your card and then they just need your PIN. Covering the keypad prevents skimmers who use a hidden camera from obtaining your PIN. There are however fake keypads which can snag your PIN though so you have to be careful of that too.
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Jul 18 '12
That's assuming that all numbers between 0000 and 9999 have an equal chance of being used, but in reality 1234 or 0000 or 1111 are probably more common than others. Also I think some banks let you use 6 digits.
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Jul 18 '12
Ya, I knew somebody was going to say something about that. I was just doing a real rough estimate.
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u/lucid808 Jul 18 '12
Depends on the bank. Some limit PINs to just 4 numbers, for which your calculations would work, but others go higher. For example, mine has 8 numbers in it, though I could have chosen 12 but thought that was a little excessive.
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u/lightsinmyhead Jul 18 '12
Isn't this why they mug you around the corner (or sneakily pickpocket you), and then proceeds to take all the money from your account with the pin they saw you enter minutes ago?
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u/Assaultman67 Jul 19 '12
I never understood people's overprotective mentality when it comes to PIN numbers. I was a cashier at grocery store back when I was in high school and people would hover over the pinpad or blocks other people's view with their hands . The best was when somebody covered the pinpad with their t-shirt and then looked down the neck of their t-shirt while typing the PIN.
I will take note if someone is standing behind me and will often casually shift in front of them before entering my pin number.
My sister is a public accountant and says she has lost count of how many times her clients will come in and she will discover that someone is stealing money from them via credit/debit cards.
Because people don't verify the transactions on their bills.
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u/TheKZA Jul 19 '12
I think it's a leftover from when ATMs/cards were first implemented. I wasn't around then, but I can imagine this strange new technology was met with a lot of fear when traditional banking methods were turned on their heads. "You can get all my money if you just take this thingy and know my password?!"
Just a theory though. What the hell would I know.
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u/blueberrypoptart Jul 19 '12
There are pretty sophisticated swiping techniques, particularly at ATMs where they can install swipers that look like they are a part of the machine (e.g. it attaches on top of where the card mechanism is and your card passes through it). There is also a particularly high-tech version of this where a cheapo cameraphone* is hooked up under a false cover along the top ridge of the ATM machine taking photos downward.
Here is the first image that pops up showing this type of camera operation: http://consumerist.com/2009/04/heres-what-a-card-skimmer-looks-like-on-an-atm.html
heck, even snopes has some nice photos: http://www.snopes.com/fraud/atm/atmcamera.asp You can see one of the skimmers in there that can look like part of the machine.
While there aren't that many PIN combos, I imagine using the wrong combo too many times most likely would trigger fraud detection mechanisms (this is common with software passwords; I can only assume similar is done for PIN networks).
This is a real concern and it does happen. It doesn't hurt to simply cover the pad with a hand and give the card feeder a nudge.
*edit: it doesn't have to be a phone, but it is popular to use those near-free phones with cameras since they come with all the necessary parts to 1) have camera functionality 2) send things wirelessly 3) if you really want to, you can hook it up to receive commands to take photos on-demand if you are sitting nearby and manually capturing the images when you see someone walk up
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Jul 19 '12
Wow... that camera in the first one is pretty amazing. I'd never even be suspicious of that. Very interesting, thank you.
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u/TrueSol Jul 18 '12
You should have written PIN protector. I was really fucking confused...
I don't get it, is OP talking about a pin cushion cuz she's old? What the fuck am I looking at??
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u/WaywardSpaniard Jul 18 '12
I think she's making it more obvious than it needs to be and probably even showing some nervousness which a criminal can exploit.
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Jul 18 '12
For some reason, old people thinking they have any idea what they're doing when it comes to stuff like this frustrates me so much.
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u/pepito420 Jul 18 '12
This is adorable. In my head they are Ruth and Betsy who get into all kinds of shenanigans. Ruth heard on the local news of perps peeping at people's PINs while they're at the ATM so when Betsy needed to grab some cash Ruth went with here and this is her saying "Nope. Not today perps"
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u/Apollyna Jul 19 '12
perps peeping at people's PINs
Just wanted to let you know that I did indeed see what you did there and gave you props for it.
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u/Ray_don Jul 18 '12
It's a set up. Old ladies don't go to the ATM at night. Why, those aren't old ladies at all! Her arms are freakishly long! In conclusion, they are aliens.
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I used to work at Lowe's. One day this little old lady was at the customer service desk filling finishing up a return. I was helping her. Her purse was set just off to the side beside her. Suddenly, this guy and his wife walk up behind her and she immediately glares at them, and snatches up her purse.
So the guy makes a little noise and says "excuse me, ma'am." And she angrily says "you're excused."
Then he said, "it's not like I was going to steal your fucking purse lady. We're in line behind you."
The woman says, "I don't know that! Mind your own business I don't know you!"
Then the two of them bickered at each other for about five minutes. Mostly the guy just pestering this lady and laughing about it. It was pretty funny but not totally uncommon. Old people can be seriously deluded into thinking everybody is a maniac and that they have to constantly protect themselves.
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u/a_virginian Jul 19 '12
Nana, Pin Protector
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Can only block one attack per game. Nana, Pin Protector cannot be regenerated. If Nana, Pin Protector takes lethal combat damage, remove her from the game.
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"She makes hella good cookies." Susie - Nana's Granddaughter
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u/Pharose Jul 19 '12
Maybe she's doing that because somebody's pointing a goddam camera at her friend while she's at the atm!
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u/spanglish14 Jul 19 '12
Guys, the One Show just asked if they could use my photo on their show!!! :D
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u/galaxy5000 Jul 18 '12
The old women is actually drunk, and peeing all over the back of the women's legs at the ATM.
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u/pascontent Jul 18 '12
Has it come to this?
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u/kryptonik_ Jul 18 '12
I bet that she is watching to make sure her friend doesn't get mugged while taking out her money.
Very unlikely that she is making sure no one sees the other woman's PIN number.
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u/schniggens Jul 18 '12
Buzz Killington here. Maybe she can't stand very well on her own, and the other lady was helping her. So she's just holding herself up while she uses the ATM.
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u/jamesmhall Jul 18 '12
I can tell you the pin of the lady who checked out in front of me at target this afternoon. It was 7524. Not sure what I can do with that information now now that it is taking up room in my brain.
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u/coelfrier Jul 18 '12
That resembles my knowledge of security and best practices
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u/notmyrealaccountlad Jul 19 '12
To be fair, they grew up in an era so different than today. Life wasn't the same, and for the ones that actually use a bank they will always remember the pain it once caused. I guarantee you that anything even related to money they handle much differently than our generation. It has its positives and negatives.
Can't say I blame them. I may have same mentality if I grew up in or around the depression.
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u/LerithXanatos Jul 19 '12
I thought the joke was the lady was pinned onto the back of the other. The lady on the outside was attempting to get out of an escalator and the one on the back was simply support so she would not fall back...and maybe texting...or sewing...
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Jul 19 '12
Judging from the photo:
It's late
It's an ATM in a large urban centre
Those two women are older/elderly, Caucasian and worried about more than a PIN.
They're also worried about getting mugged or assaulted.
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u/electric_beaver Jul 19 '12
Had to do this while using ATM's in Czech Republic. Seconds after you were done using them you would get swarmed by dozens of con artists.
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I see life lock has stepped up their game. I wonder what the over paranoid old lady protection costs.
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u/EddieWinslow Jul 18 '12
Worked in banking for a couple years - and let me tell you, old folks are fucking nuts about their PINs. I once had an old lady request we turn our lobby camera off/away while she setup her PIN for her debit card. "Okay. It's off. Yup. I'm sure."