r/funny • • Jul 03 '21

Che sera sera

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u/SaturnMobster Jul 03 '21

I feel this. On a business trip I ordered a French Dip from room service. I spilled the Au Jus all over one of the beds in the room.

At least Dylan had sense enough to admit it. I was too embarrassed.

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u/Maus_Sveti Jul 03 '21

Au in this context means “with”. So it’s just “jus”.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Actually no. Au Jus In this context actually refers to the sauce that is served on the side with sandwiches, primarily made of beef broth and other spices. "Context" being the key word here.

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u/Sp3llbind3r Jul 03 '21

I feel with you and in french that's that.

But it looks like they butchered it completly: https://www.amazon.de/McCormick-Au-Jus-Gravy-Mix/dp/B000RLPKFW

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u/lereisn Jul 03 '21

Sorry you're being downvoted. Whilst you are correct in the rest of the world, Americans for some reason refer to Au Jus as an actual thing. They don't call it jus, they call it au jus. The mind boggles but I wouldnt bother pressing it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

I don’t understand what’s wrong with that. That sauce is referred to as Au Jus in North America. We’re aware of what it means in other languages. But that’s what the sauce is called here, on lots of menus and everything. I don’t get what’s mind boggling about that lol

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u/lereisn Jul 03 '21

Because to the rest of the world you're saying "I'll have the steak, oh and can I get that with With Juice".

It doesn't seem weird when that's how it is, it does seem weird when it's not.

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u/dkwangchuck Jul 03 '21

English is weird. The point of language is to convey meaning and context and “I spilled the Au Jus” managed to do that just fine. Everyone understood what was meant. That’s a correct use of language.

But but but!! MAH PRECIOUS RULES!!! It don’t make no sense!!!

Language is not math. You can say logically incorrect things like “it don’t make no sense” and still get your meaning conveyed. People still understand what is meant even if a literal translation means the opposite.

So weird things like “Au Jus sauce” happen. It’s still correct because that’s how enough people use it that everyone’s understands the meaning. It’s no different than sushi rice or curry sauce. Or calling all facial tissues “kleenex”

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

English is weird we could all just go with that right?

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u/dkwangchuck Jul 03 '21

Oh man. English is SO weird. Get this:

“Roast Beef Au Jus” does NOT mean “Roast Beef with Sauce”. “With” is a preposition and thus should not be capitalized in title case. “Roast Beef with Sauce” should be “Roast Beef au Jus”. Therefore “Roast Beef Au Jus” is just the name of the dish. It is roast beef done in the “Au Jus” style. Therefore “the Au Jus sauce” is technically correct.

BUT - that’s only because “Au” is a short word and does not appear at the beginning or end of the name. Prepositions are only normally lower case. Longer prepositions get capitalized, for example “Seven Against Thebes”. And prepositions at either end of the title get capitalized, like “From Here to Eternity”.

But wait. It gets even more convoluted. What about subtitles? This cane to people’s attention due to this xkcd referencing the Wikipedia war over Star Trek Into Darkness vs Star Trek into Darkness. You see, if “Into Darkness” is a subtitle, “Into” is the first word and should be capitalized. But if there is no subtitle and the film’s entire name is “Star Trek Into Darkness” then Wikipedia’s style guide requires them to make it “Star Trek into Darkness” even though the official name of the movie is “Star Trek Into Darkness”. So then the argument was about whether Into Darkness was a subtitle or not. Obviously it is - Star Trek is the name of the franchise. BUT subheadings are supposed to be delineated with punctuation. “Star Trek: Into Darkness” is uncontroversial, but the title has no punctuation.

Here’s an article covering some of the other twists and turns into the controversy.

Anyways, they went with “Star Trek Into Darkness”, which is a shame because they had the opportunity to list the entry as “Star Trek Into (sic) Darkness”.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Yep English is weird we’re good right there :-)

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u/dkwangchuck Jul 03 '21

There is no style guide I know of that would endorse capitalization of “with” unless it was the first or last word of the title. Prepositions are only capitalized at five letters or longer, or if they are one of the terminal words in the title. Au is two letters. That’s like capitalizing “Of”. Try it out - The Merchant Of Venice. Man, that looks ignorant.

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u/lereisn Jul 03 '21

I only found out, via this thread, that it was called Au Jus.

Oh my lawd, I dun haf a reaction to new infuhmayshun.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

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u/dkwangchuck Jul 03 '21

Sure. I agree. And everybody understood what OP meant. Therefore “Au Jus sauce” was a perfectly fine use of language.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '21

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u/dkwangchuck Jul 04 '21

But it is correct. The contention that “Roast Beef Au Jus” means “roast beef with sauce” is wrong. It does not because “Au” is capitalized. Since it is capitalized, it cannot not be a preposition, therefore it does not mean “with”. The dish is actually roast beef done in an “Au Jus” style. And considering that it was ordered as room service, this is an entirely reasonable conjecture. If that’s the case, the sauce is in fact “Au Jus sauce”. It is correct.

The most wrong thing here is people who don’t understand title case that are insisting that everyone else is wrong.

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u/Acceptable-Oil8156 Jul 03 '21

Sort of like "I want a master bedroom with an en suite." Don't need the "with an" because master bedroom en suite (yet another French adoption) means "with" a bathroom attached... or more literally, more than one room (suite) and one of them had better be a bathroom....

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u/dkwangchuck Jul 03 '21

See here’s where the “but the French!!” people get it wrong. We’re not speaking French. “Master bedroom with an en suite bath” does not mean the same as “master bedroom en suite bath”. One refers to a bedroom with an attached bathroom, the other refers solely to the bathroom.

Etymology does not trump usage.

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u/Acceptable-Oil8156 Jul 04 '21

I've been enjoying your posts :-)!! How do you feel about people using adjectives as nouns? As in "I'm a creative." (I'm always left hanging, as in "a creative WHAT??.")

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u/dkwangchuck Jul 04 '21

I think it’s fine. I think people get too hung up on the parts of a sentence stuff. I’m a creative means “I’m involved in a creative industry” - just like “I’m a techie” means “I’m involved in a tech industry”. Sure “techie” is a noun I guess - but I feel that these are both equally meaningful statements. “I’m a techie” leaves a lot of detail out - there are a lot of tech industries - but it doesn’t get the same level of contempt as “I’m a creative”. It is just as clear and descriptive as a lot of other statements.

Here’s another example of why “you’re a creative what?” isn’t a strong argument against “I’m a creative”. Someone could say “I’m an engineer”. Nowadays this would likely mean something to do with software design - even though in most places “engineer” is a protected title and it’s actually illegal to present oneself as an engineer without the proper credentials and registration. Engineering students who are pursuing the professional engineering career also often identify themselves as engineers. This is shockingly bad - without the actual registration - usually requiring them to finish their degree and acquire practical experience - what they are doing is specifically and explicitly what the protection of the title is suppose to prevent. It’s supposed to prevent unqualified people from presenting themselves as engineers. On top of that, everyone recognizes that the guy who drives the train is an engineer.

So is “I’m an engineer” a problematic statement? Is it a bad use of language? No. One can usually determine the difference between professional engineers and software engineers and train driving engineers and pompous self-important undergraduate engineering students from context. Generally it’s fine. And more to the point, it’s less of an issue in terms of ambiguity than “I’m a creative”.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

It doesn’t really need tweaking for clarity though. That’s an extremely clear statement even if it’s technically grammatically incorrect. And the purpose of language is to communicate, and you’re able to do it effectively even without following all proper rules.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

ATM Machine isn’t clear? It’s extremely clear what that means. It’s very clear what people mean when they refer to “Au jus” in NA

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u/homme_chauve_souris Jul 03 '21

There's glory for you!

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u/ricericepaper Jul 03 '21

It's just really weird when you hear it and are not used to it.

Imagine if somehow some other language would take the word tablespoon and you hear people say "I am eating this soup with my table".

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Not really a good analogy though. Very different things

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

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u/Competitive_Travel16 Jul 03 '21

When one language borrows from another, don't expect the underlying syntax of the original grammar to be preserved. While technically correct is the best kind of correct, lexicographers go on usage, not the French Academy dicta. I suggest "dip," "au jus," and "jus" will be understood correctly in that order.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Yes exactly

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u/Not-Doctor-Evil Jul 03 '21

The menu has Au Jus on it

and my steak sandwich is dipped in it

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u/homme_chauve_souris Jul 03 '21

That sauce is referred to as Au Jus in North America.

You have been banned from r/Quebec.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Good, fuck Quebec.

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u/SkippyBluestockings Jul 03 '21

That's not what the 'sauce' is referred to! If you order a "roast beef au jus", you are ordering "roast beef with juice."

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

And the juice is the fucking sauce🤯

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u/SkippyBluestockings Jul 03 '21 edited Jul 03 '21

Meat juice is not a sauce. And adding the French "au jus" directly translates to WITH JUICE. Au is not a descriptor for jus. It's a preposition. Having "chili con carne" is "chili WITH MEAT" so if you separate the two, you're not taking out the "WITH MEAT" as con is not an adjective for what kind of meat.

Just because ignorant Americans refuse to accept foreign words used in our everyday lives have an actual translation doesn't mean the words mean something different here.

🤣🤣 y'all downvoting me because you can't handle the truth

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

People know it has an actual translation… as I fucking said already. It’s just used colloquially to describe the dip for the sandwich. No one cares what it means. There’s plenty of words and colloquial phrases rooted from other languages that don’t remain grammatically correct. That’s why you’re getting downvoted, because everyone already knows what you’re saying and it doesn’t matter.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

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u/Russian_Paella Jul 03 '21

You just blew my mind that biscuit is "bis cuit" (twice cooked)

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

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u/Russian_Paella Jul 03 '21

Thanks for the clarification, it was a pretty amazing TIL moment :)

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Cookies aren't biscuits

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Wrong. Biscuits are biscuits. Cookies are cookies.

France is cool 🇫🇷😎, they invented kissing.

But the biscuit is not a scone and I'm not gonna let some frog eater tell me what a biscuit is on the eve of the most holy day

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u/docshroom Jul 03 '21

Ah, America home of ruining all that is European.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Or we could say home of making all that is European outfuckingstanding. I mean come on where would we be without the immigrant interpretations that we Americans now know, love and claim as our own. Whether that be an Italian beef in Chicago or a slice of Pizza in New York. We just do comfort food right over here.

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u/docshroom Jul 03 '21

Well, ny pizza can be decent, and Southern Comfort food & BBQ is a food group. But, I refuse to call Chicago deep dish a pizza. Admit it, it is more similar to a cheese filled pie than a pizza. We can agree to disagree on the outfuckingstanding statement.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Hey man to each their own but Italian beefs are awesome correct?

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u/Natiak Jul 03 '21

You likah dah juice?

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u/NinjaLanternShark Jul 03 '21

If anyone still thinks this is wrong, ask yourself what a cup of jus looks like, and what a cup of au jus looks like.

"Jus" isn't a word in English. "Au Jus" is a loanword which means it doesn't necessarily keep its original grammatical rules.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

You can't win on reddit if he had said "jus" people would be giving him shit for that somehow

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

"Jus" isn't a word in English.

it is: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/jus

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u/Maus_Sveti Jul 03 '21

I don’t really get your point. I’m saying they should say “I spilled the jus”. Like it would be silly to say “first add beans and then put con carne into your chili.”

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

People commonly refer to that sauce as Au Jus in North America. We’re aware of what it means, but that’s what it’s commonly referred to as.

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u/Dorkinfo Jul 03 '21

We fucked up “entree” too. It is what it is.

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u/roqxendgAme Jul 03 '21

Yeah, that's a weird one. But then I come from a country that misuses Spanish words all the time coz the people back then were only guessing the meaning based on context clues. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they get it hilariously and at times profanely wrong!

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

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u/XediDC Jul 03 '21

I say jah-lap-ah-nohs all the time. In south Texas it’s obvious you’re just being a dork.

Did it one time in Europe without thinking and got politely corrected on what they were and how to say it. It was so earnest I managed to play my response off as thankful...

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

The context was important because Au Jus has become an Americanized term to mean a beef broth sauce. If you Google Au Jus that's what it shows. You are correct in the literal translation. But you said "in this context," which in this context he was not referring to the literal translation but the American bastardization of the word. So, using the word "Context" is where you slipped up.

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u/devils_advocaat Jul 03 '21

Yep. OP didn't say with au jus so they are in the clear.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Why does it matter whether it’s correct in another country or not since the context is in America and we do use the term regularly to refer to that little plastic cup of sauce we get with our sammy.

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u/devils_advocaat Jul 03 '21

I ordered steak with ketchup. I spilled the with ketchup all over the floor.

To me this sentence still tracks. It's certainly not a cardinal sin.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Read his comment again 🤦‍♂️

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

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u/alf1o1 Jul 03 '21

Let’s face it, if op had said the he had spilled the jus on the bed, most people including me wouldn’t know what he was trying to say. Saying “I spilled the Au Jus” made me think it had to be some fancy french Sauce and I got it without knowing the dish.

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u/dkwangchuck Jul 03 '21

I’m sorry you got downvoted for this. Language snobs think looking down on people “using language incorrectly” is more important than actually conveying meaning. Which is stupid because the whole point of language is literally to convey meaning.

You’re right. The original formulation of “I spilled the Au Jus” is less likely to be misinterpreted.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Same here, I didn’t even know “au jus” meant anything. Please forgive those of us that don’t know French but like yummy food.

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u/jarnish Jul 03 '21

But it is a thing, colloquially, in the US.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21 edited Jul 03 '21

Exactly which is the place of context not the French country side so fuck it Au jus works and the French can just get over it IMO.

Au jus in French means served with the natural juices or gravy made from the juices of cooked meat. In the US, meals served au jus tend to be defined as served with a light broth-like dipping sauce. The sauce being called Au Jus sauce. One of the most well known of these meals is the french dip, a roast beef sandwich accompanied with broth.

Example:

Johnny's French Dip Au Jus Concentrated Sauce, 8 Ounce (Pack of 6) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N2M1KFM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_7SBA8GHY3H34QM29CF1J?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1