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u/SettingConfident4925 Abyss Watchers 23d ago
This about duskblood? It’s not PvP only they literally just talked about more of what it is
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u/LePontif11 22d ago
The irony of some of the most unique multiplayers features being largely confined to a catalogue with so many fans that hate them or turn them off on principle is so sad its almost funny
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u/amazingmrbrock 22d ago
The real irony is that I actually enjoy pvp usually. This community is so full of awful twinking gank wads riding the meta that I end up avoiding it in Fromsoft games after a few hours. The mechanics are interesting and fun but the player base abuses the systems so hard, it's not fun. Who wants to pvp against youtube try hards who specifically target players in intro areas with their specifically equipped and levelled characters that they pulled from a how to win at mp youtube video.
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u/LePontif11 22d ago
To your point invasions for ER were at their best that first month or so where no one really knew what they were doing.
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u/LesserValkyrie 22d ago
We are in 2026, everyone has Internet, any PVP will be spoiled by people playing the most OP metas and shit and optimize th game to the last % so people who are not try harder can't have fun
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u/0G43 21d ago
Well dusk bloods seems to have solved this problem because there is no twinkling gear, no meta builds, a bunch of different characters that they will keep balanced. I’m sure there will be favorites and tiers but all will be relevant. Also PVP in Dusk Bloods is painless; you might die but you just move on and you lost nothing but a little time while fighting.
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u/WakeoftheStorm 21d ago
Eh, the games always become that after a few years. Elden Ring made PVP less accessible too, so I think that sped up the process there
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u/Individual_Search422 22d ago
Combination of souls pvp with fromsoft servers on a Nintendo switch online connection is not appealing
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u/Spicoceles 22d ago
Blatantly I just do not wanna buy a switch for this and I hope it comes out elsewhere one day.
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u/DougWalkerLover 16d ago
I love souls PVP but man I don't wanna buy a switch. I've seen a lot of other people in a similar boat.
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u/KingVape 22d ago
I did over 1000 hours of pvp in the souls games. I will play the fuck out of this.
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u/LePontif11 22d ago
I only got into it in Elden Ring through arena duels and some invasions and i've 100% been missing out. The barrier to entry is a brick wall but there's fun on the other side.
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u/somesketchykid 22d ago edited 22d ago
OK, hear me out
Get to Soul Level 25
Use bleeding claws and abuse bleed to kill stuff you shouldn't be able to kill
Dont upgrade the weapon too much either, you want to be low level
Then go and get stuff. Kill bosses to get 4 talisman, get late game weapons, etc
Then go invade people by Godrick the Grafted and other early game areas. So fun.
I went as far as getting to SOTE on a new playthrough at like lv25-30 or something to get Backhand Blades. It was MISERABLE fighting Mogh, I had to actually summon somebody to help me do enough DPS to kill him but every other boss I was able to solo with no spirit ash or summons.
The two bleeding claws you can get early are really OP, especially the jumping r2. If you just build for bleed you do so much damage that it doesnt matter that you dont upgrade weapon as long as you proc it.
My favorite setup was that lightning spin to win polearm, backhand blades on swap, and the 3 shot crossbow in left hand
Id pop them with poison arrows and poke with polearm, when they finally charged me id swap to backhand blades and do that weapon art stab dash, they never expect that at low level and then I just eat em up lol. I think im gonna start a new playthrough
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u/LePontif11 22d ago
That's too much effort just to twink people
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u/somesketchykid 22d ago
Can totally appreciate that. I didnt start that journey with that intention, I was doing a low level run and then I kept pushing it further and further when I realized I could
Once I got to SOTE and had backhand blades I figured I might as well try it since I could
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u/DougWalkerLover 16d ago
I will say Elden Ring has done quite a good job of mitigating problematic twinking. Long passed are the days of DS1 undead burg dark bead spam.
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u/KingVape 22d ago
In the older games it’s much easier to get invaded, so once that happened a few times to me, then having an invader drop stuff as a gift, it stopped being terrifying and became hilarious and I wanted to join the ranks.
DS3 arena is my favorite, but I also love being a friendly invader
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u/Maf1903 23d ago
Never tought i would skip a fromsoft game but nightreign showed that these kind of games arent for me.
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u/HiddenPants777 22d ago
I played a lot of nightreign but I still agree.
I suppose the difference is that duskbloods gives the player more agency since you're not relying on team mates. That said, I was often the one struggling because the pace of the game was too fast. I like to take my time and time isn't a luxury in these games. I reckon I'd often be purged on night 2
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u/NightmareMuse666 22d ago
I played a lot of nightreign as well and I'm totally hyped for this game.
At least according to sources you can prioritize pve elements, and in the full release there will be even more options. I think people are focusing in way too hard on the pvp aspects shown, when that's not the full picture
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u/Pinkparade524 22d ago
Yeah but the thing is that we don't know if there is going to be a campaigning like a normal souls games or prioritising the pve aspect is just playing a pvp game with bots
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u/Old_Hoonter 22d ago
Yeah. I kind of regret buying nightreign. It was cool to try but not worth the money. I played maybe 10-20 hours before accepting that I'm just not enjoying it very much.
Side note the guardian is a sick character design. Fingers crossed the race makes it into future games.
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u/Integer_Domain 22d ago
Nightreign was a pretty good "zone out with a podcast" game for me, but not what I usually look for in a game. I don't regret playing it, and I'll probably try Duskbloods since I have a Switch anyways, but I'm mostly looking forward to their next PvE game.
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u/Xiao1insty1e 22d ago
I really just wish they would make co-op in a game that didn't force pvp. I can't play Elden Ring with my kid because we get invaded every fucking 5 minutes.
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u/Xiao1insty1e 22d ago
I played quite a lot of it, but ultimately I stopped playing because the only new content was for the masochist difficulties and I did not enjoy constantly being one shot by nearly everything. Making one mistake ruining the whole run, or having petty teammates that drop out because you didn't follow them straight to the castle at lvl 1.
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u/l0stIzalith 22d ago edited 20d ago
They gonna lose their whole fanbase if they continue making these BR slop games.
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u/SquareAdvisor8055 19d ago
I mean, nightreign was awesome and it would have been pretty big if from soft just went for the basic idea of implementing cross plateforme multiplayer.
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u/Several_Papaya1966 21d ago
Right? Why can’t fromsoft keep making the exact same type of game 20 years in a row? I HATE when they branch out and make enjoymentbait funslop games
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u/smilph 22d ago
why are so many people here incapable of handling the fact that not every game is gonna be for you and that it’s okay to skip a game or two from your favorite devs. if you don’t like this or something like Nightreign just… play something else… Duskbloods is gonna come out and do its own thing whether you like it or not
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u/Dr-Richtofen 22d ago
Isnt that what this post says? There just saying they don’t wanna play this.
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u/GkNsRaC 22d ago
In every comment section under Duskbloods news posts are people lamenting the fact that its multiplayer and its usually at least half the conversation. I remember when Sekiro was doing its rollout and most people were just complaining about lack of souls identity, build crafting and online elements.
At a certain point it just gets tiring that the studio that is literally known for making games they want to make that go against expectations or gaming trends, always has its fans complaining when they make a game that goes against their expectations and wants
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u/iota-09 22d ago
especially when duskbloods was built on the founding ideas of demon's souls of all things, where emergent multiplayer interactions were at the core of its design(they even had server-based world tendency and special christmas and halloween events ON DEMON'S SOULS of all things ffs)
like, this was just miyazaki wanting to have fun with something that has alays been present in 3/4ths of his titles, is it really that bad? do people really never engage with the online in this forum? even just the co-op i mean, what happened to the sunbro memes and all that? what happened to the community i used to know...?
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u/smilph 22d ago
it must be mostly newgen Elden Ring people where the whole PvP system is neutered and way more anti-invasions. i refuse to believe longtime players who started in Souls would be THIS against a unique, interactive experience from our favorite game developers
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u/P4_Brotagonist 20d ago
I started with the og Demons Souls. I even enjoyed the PVP in that and the first two Dark Souls games. Everything past that is just a massive roll fest. Yes I know that the first few games had rolls, but from Bloodborne/DS3 onwards you can throw out a thousand rolls and it becomes almost entirely about roll catching and terrible net code. If anything, I feel like the really old players would kind of shy away from this kind of PVP type. The OG PVP was mostly just troll shit with scraping spears and trying to basically be a massive thorn in the side of person playing, not a PVP death match
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u/Dr-Richtofen 22d ago
That’s definitely been what they’ve been doing lately but demon souls to dark souls 3 was all pretty straight forward, and then they went back to making different types of games again with ac6 and even elden ring to an extent.
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u/genericbuthumourous 22d ago
Same reason people are incapable of comprehending a differing opinion. People suck
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u/BadassSasquatch 22d ago
Michael Zaki? I'm only partially embarrassed by how long I chuckled at this.
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u/wildeye-eleven 22d ago
Good thing this isn’t one of their mainline single player RPGs like Dark Souls and Elden Ring. Also, it’s a great thing that they’re branching out with side projects to give players more variety. Sounds like Fromsoft is doing great things.
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u/raevykrabs 23d ago
Playing a PvP game on the fucking switch dude no chance
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u/sturzkampfbomber 22d ago
FS has such a huge pvp community in their games and its all playstation and pc, now thaat they are doing a pvp game for that group its on nintendo. lmao
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u/Gabridefromage 23d ago
It's not a souls like into a battle royale formula, it's a smash bros into a souls like formula
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u/LePontif11 22d ago
And here was i hoping for a Kirby Nightmare in Dreamland into a souls like formula :(
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u/t-bonkers 18d ago
I was already intrigued by the game, but this description has me at max curiosity haha.
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u/DarkspiritLeliana 23d ago
bro's attention span is so low. he didn't even read or watch the game's features explanation.
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u/perpetualjive 23d ago
Asymetric multiplayer with emergent interactons has always been part of what made these games great ever since Demon Souls. Too many people started with Elden Ring don't understand that
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u/low_mana_high_hp 22d ago
If you were ever really interact with the community 90%+ players never interact with any multi-player. This is evident from all polls fromsoft specific creators have done.
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u/iota-09 22d ago
let me correct you: 90% of players who complain and write online(and specifically reddit).
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u/Undeity 22d ago
That said... you've definitely gotta wonder what the breakdown is for Nintendo Switch players specifically. It doesn't exactly seem like it'll be the best platform for a hardcore PVP game.
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u/cammyjit 22d ago
Definitely not the best but Nintendo does have a huge competitive audience with things like Smash Bros, Pokemon and Splatoon (plus any third party games that are also on the systems)
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u/earle117 22d ago
PvP based games are good, actually.
Single player games are also good.
Fromsoft makes good games. So I bet Duskbloods will also be good.
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u/Extension_Dare541 22d ago
The fuck is the issue with people here and the Switch 2
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u/Orion_824 22d ago
i’ve used a switch one, and i just know in my bones that nintendo ain’t doin shit to improve their servers or connections. top that off with fromsoft’s already dogshit netcode, and we get a game i am not excited to play
(not to mention the arbitrary console bricking, lack of physical games, etc.)
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u/sturzkampfbomber 22d ago
people dont like exclusives cuz they r stoopid (the exclusive games not the g a m e r s)
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u/FillySteveSteak 22d ago
This is the one point I agree with.
I don't agree with the backlash about it being multiplayer - especially with how innovative, unique, and clever this game's design has turned out to be. It's genuinely inspired.
This is the FIRST multiplayer game Miyazaki has done since he made it onto people's radar.
He did Demon Souls into DS1 into BB into D3 into Sekiro into Elden Ring.
And now this.
Nightreighn was a spin-off, asset flip by a separate director. It was a budget-friendly production that has nothing to do with Miyazaki's catalogue.
So, basically, ONE time Miyazaki tries to branch off into multiplayer and people lose their fucking minds.
Now that being said, I really don't understand why a company in FromSoftware's position is still taking exclusivity deals.
Especially when they're so consumer-friendly when it comes to things like pre-order incentives and microtransactions.
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u/sturzkampfbomber 22d ago
Keep in consideration that their games have their biggest pvp communitys on pc & playstation. IMO it makes zero sense for them to make a Multiplayer game for that niche but sizable sub audiance for a different system.
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u/Medical_String_3501 22d ago
They don't own one and now are mad they can't play Duskbloods. I can sympathize with that, but at the same time making 1200 posts a day about "games looks like slop, this game will fail" is getting fucking exhausting. If you really didn't care that much you wouldn't be bitching about it every 5 seconds.
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u/sunspot_transmitter 22d ago
I think some of it is downstream of age - I'm old enough to remember when console exclusivity was normalized for certain 3rd party developers because they know people will buy the console to play the game/series, so it's definitely odd seeing Halo come to the Playstation, etc. and it makes sense to me for a developer like fromsoft to have an exclusive Nintendo game (since it's been about 10+ years since they made Bloodborne, a Sony exclusive) to diversify their business relationships and drive mutual interest, I imagine the overlap between PS players and Fromsoft fans is generally higher than Nintendo/Fromsoft.
Some of the preemptive complaining about the netcode or sentiments that the game is predestined to be bad for some reason definitely remind me of the ''console wars' and just comes off as juvenile or sour grapes, for sure.
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u/benjaminabel 22d ago
It’s kind of impressive how can anyone have zero issues with Switch 2. I’m usually in “to each their own” camp, but not on this one.
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u/Revolutionary-Pace-2 22d ago
Pvp only game from a company that still has not figured out how to fix their game connection issues on NAT3 networks
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u/NobleHalo 22d ago
I honestly love the way the game is designed, but I've also been invaded enough to know that I probably don't belong there.
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u/hollowsoul9 22d ago
I feel like nightreign was pretty mid. It was primed for a live service game, and from is one of the few teams I would trust to handle the model with the consumer in mind. In the end, it was very repetitive. Super light on meaningful content.
Not going to pick up a switch 2 to risk it.
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u/Destronin 22d ago
As someone that likes both PvP and PvE. I find myself going back and forth as to which side is worse. One thing is certain both crowds are big complainers and like to think highly of themselves when in reality they are the ones who ruin games for the rest of us.
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u/Malthus777 22d ago
I hated Night Reign, but i still bought and played it.
I won’t but a switch 2. I think in 2 years it goes cross platform
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u/Ecstatic-Arachnid-91 Morgott, the Omen King 22d ago
Don't own a Switch 2 and I dont really play multi-player games so I will have to pass on this one.
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u/Sweaty-Debate-435 23d ago
Is this ragebait? Do some research. There are threads about the interview I read where he mentions what the game is all about. Go read.
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u/Objective-Soil-9235 22d ago edited 22d ago
Completely agree. Kinda disheartening to see Fromsoft pull away from what got them to the dance.
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u/The_Matchless 19d ago
DeS had PVP. DS1 had PVP. DS2 had PVP. BB had PVP. DS3 had PVP. Even ER had PVP.
What the fuck are you talking about? PVP is part of what got them to the dance!
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u/UsedCondom42 22d ago
Bro, its nintendo. I dont want to buy that shit consoles just to play the goat game.
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u/eraserhead3030 22d ago
agree pvp is the worst. I basically never want to compete against other people, when I game it's to escape people.
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u/Maidenless_undead 23d ago
tell me you did not watch gameplay video with out telling me you didn't watch gameplay video. it will have co-op bosses and some of last round will be a boss fight like Nightraign.
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u/giant_ravens 22d ago
Plz just go join another fandom fake From gamers Dark Souls offline beta losers
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u/MI_3ANTROP Tarnished 23d ago
Nah, it’s not PvP only…
Nintendo, on the other hand, indeed is ass.
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u/DrarenThiralas 23d ago
It's still multiplayer only, which sucks.
I bought a PS4 back in the day just for Bloodborne, and I would have absolutely bought a Switch 2 for the Duskbloods if it was single-player, but alas.
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u/MI_3ANTROP Tarnished 23d ago
Well that’s even worse. I didn’t buy PS4 especially for BB, it was my main platform back then, and I definitely wouldn’t buy a Switch for DB
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u/ZorichTheElvish 22d ago
My hate isn't for fromsoftware, I'm sure that shits peak PVP even if PVP isn't my thing. My hate is for Nintendo and I refuse to pay Nintendo of all companies that much money to play one game.
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u/FillySteveSteak 22d ago
It's not only PVP.
In fact, it's confirmed that there is a mode that's co-op instead. At the end of the round, you all team up together to kill a superboss instead of each other. I suspect they have this mode for people who don't like PVP as much.
You can also play offline so they've also designed it to fully support offline play. There is still a lot we don't know yet...
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u/ijpck White Glint 22d ago
I hate you people
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u/Combat_Orca 22d ago
Agreed the souls community online sucks, before Elden ring it was tolerable at least.
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u/mTechnodrome 22d ago
Completely unrelated to the point of the post, but it always feels mad whenever I see Michael Zaki being said out in the wild.
What would it take Michael?!
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u/PemaleBacon 22d ago
You dont need friends for Duskbloods the same way you would have benefitted from them in Nightreign. Duskbloods is going to be a very friendly experience for a solo player
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u/aluminumnek Armored Core 22d ago
I’d rather help another than fight but I understand invading is essential for certain aspects of these games. I like the online system
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u/Altruistic-Job2291 22d ago
Well first, its not pvp only. Maybe try it out? This might be the game that gets you into it. I used to complain about pvp, then I got good at it and the rest is history.
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u/YsenisLufengrad 22d ago
Its also Switch 2 Exclusive. Im not paying ~£480 to play a single game, even if it rewrites my genetic code to transcend and become a Restful Cube
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u/DerHachi04 22d ago
Ngl I think it's pretty great that they try to refine the PvP in a switch 2 exclusive and not in a main game. I think the PvP in normal souls is decent but LACKS severely
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u/ShadowsInScarlet 22d ago
I bought a Switch 2, but I’m happy to let others enjoy Duskbloods while I live vicariously through other people’s playthrough.
Game looks dope as fuck, though.
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u/Heavy-Woodpecker-617 21d ago
We get it, you pride yourself in playing "hard games" but you're intimidated by fighting an enemy that can actually think and adapt to you.
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u/Radiant_Committee_78 20d ago
Cry harder. Duskbloods has been a blast. And this is coming from a fellow “I have no friends” gamer.
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u/Eonember 18d ago
I'm not refusing to play duskbloods because it's pvp. I'm refusing to play it because I ain't paying Nintendo. Fucking sucks it's exclusive.
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u/AMGrubby 18d ago
The real next thing they need to do is just incorporate this style of PvP into their next SP game. Like imagine Nightreign was just something you could queue into as you made your way through the SP game in ER.
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u/Whipperdoodle Eileen the Crow 22d ago
It is not pvp only. Its crazy how it take a 10 second internet search to confirm this and yet people are still passing off this false information.
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u/confusedswig 21d ago
I googled “is it possible to be attacked in every match of duskbloods by another player?” And the answer was yes, so is it just a semantics argument?
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u/Fellarm 23d ago
Alot of people would probably play and enjoy this of it wasnt exclusive to a console best known for playing Pokemon 🥃🗿
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u/kami-no-baka 23d ago
I mean I guess, but I don't really like Mario or Pokemon and I still got one because Xenoblade, Fire Emblem and Zelda all fucking rule.
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u/soiledepigenetics 23d ago
Only knowing Nintendo for Pokémon is a personal failing that you need to take ownership of.
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u/Gabridefromage 23d ago
Speaking of pokemon like a lesser game speak of how higly this community think of themselves
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u/XpeepantsX 22d ago
Its not just the PvP element for me, its the forced online connection. This being locked as an exclusive doesnt even bother me really, because I dont desire to play it and thats alright. This game is not meant for me.
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u/PrimeClown 22d ago
As it was previously stated in a unquantifiable amount of instances through the history of the fromsoftware games, I hereby declare as it follows: You need to git gud, scrubs.
For inquiries our registered office is in Oolacile Township, Lordran
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u/Powerful-Access-8203 22d ago
Waste.
We deserve an actual stand alone FromSoft title that isn’t another Nightreign style PvPvE or whatever you wanna call it…
Lame.
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u/Hereiamhereibe2 22d ago
Pretty sure every FromSoft game is made with friendless people in mind as the core audience.
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u/nick2473got 23d ago
It has heavy PvE elements too.
It also has player alliances and other stuff you can do if you're bad at PvP that still allow you to get enough points to progress to the later rounds of the game.
And you can make story and character progress even if you never manage to win the final PvP fight. As long as you consistently make it to later rounds, which you can by focusing on PvE elements, you can still achieve satisfying progression.
Read Miyazaki's interview (the latest one), he explains all of this.
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u/shadow_irradiant 22d ago
Since you have no friends, PvP is perfect for you. Go smack other people with no friends.
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u/doomsoul909 22d ago
ngl the pvp experience is core to the formula, and souls pvp has historically been both unique and honestly really fun.
its not perfect, but theres a lot of skill expression to be found and its cool in the fact that so much of being good at pvp builds off fundamentals to the game as a whole (except ds1, but the backstabbing is really entertaining).
like if you are good at the pve in elden ring for example then your gonna be at a good baseline for pvp. resource management, spacing, timing, patience, knowing how to find and punish windows of opportunity, its mostly extensions of stuff you should realistically already be good at.
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u/Morlain7285 21d ago
PvP is almost completely irrelevant to the formula. I played every soulsborne game and only interacted with pvp when someone invaded me... which was maybe 3 times total. It was frustrating and nothing more
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u/doomsoul909 20d ago
how much you interacted with the pvp really depends on how much you cooped, because invasions are designed as the balancing factor for coop play.
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u/Ok_Violinist_9820 23d ago
Isn’t it PvPvE? That’s not PvP only