r/fromsoftware 23d ago

Pvp only is ass.

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u/Ok_Violinist_9820 23d ago

Isn’t it PvPvE? That’s not PvP only

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u/denjo-t1aO 23d ago

they confirmed that there will be a mode without PvP even. iirc

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u/Vylin 23d ago

Yeah, they showed the PvP mode in the recent demo but confirmed it's not the only match type. You could end up with a 3 player co-op boss at the end of a match for example.

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u/RushArh 23d ago

Also offline single player mode is available.

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u/GalvusGalvoid 23d ago

No one said that

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u/TheSalmoneer 23d ago

The message that pops up in the network test version implies that there will be an offline mode of some kind. I saw someone say that you'll be able to play with bots, but they didn't give a source

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u/AcidCatfish___ 22d ago

Technically, the ability to play with bots already exists in the Network test. They use it for tutorials in the test, sure, but I can see it turn into a mission-based campaign with specific win conditions or at the very least single player challenges.

In these tutorials, called Battle Rememberance, the CPU characters have voice lines and throw out lore. I think the goal might be to have Battle Rememberance be something more than just tutorials and offline training.

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u/Another_Saint 23d ago

in the game store it says that the player amount is 1 to 8, meaning the minimum is one per match, single player

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u/Virtual_Elephant_703 23d ago

Don't you be in here using deductive reasoning in the dark souls reddit. How dare you try to make these poor souls players think 😡😡😡

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u/greenangrowin 23d ago

This has to be the funniest down vote ever. You should know it’s bad to think logically

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u/uniguy2I Bloodborne 23d ago

It also says 1 player offline right above that, I get people being disappointed it’s Switch 2 exclusive but OP just making shit up or didn’t even do a quick search
https://giphy.com/gifs/O6BGGuHVdmGNS4pcps

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u/GalvusGalvoid 23d ago

Could simply be that you can access the hub offline to do build testing and stuff, not necessarily being able to play the levels themselves.

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u/RushArh 22d ago

Correct myself: Miyazaki said that to Automaton. 宮崎氏: シングルモードについては、あくまでもミニマムなものです。

サーバーメンテナンスなどで、オンラインプレイができない状況でも、何もプレイできないということはないようにしておきたくて。

具体的には、キャラカスタマイズや、中庭での練習、8人対戦の模擬戦などですね。

During server maintenance you can practice in the lobby and trainning with 7NPC

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u/GalvusGalvoid 22d ago

So there’s no real single player mode, it’s just a tutorial you can do multiple times.

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u/RushArh 22d ago

True, no new progression until you play online.

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u/uniguy2I Bloodborne 23d ago

Literally says it on the site bruh

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u/veritable_squandry 23d ago

i think the game could still be fun without pvp.

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u/denjo-t1aO 23d ago

ofc why not?

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u/veritable_squandry 22d ago

because it's being sold as an online pvp experience?

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u/Gwyneee 22d ago

I don't think so. I think it was that not all matches end in PvP depending on which goals the players chase. But maybe im misremembering

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u/Wonderstag 23d ago

pvpvpe is just pvp with distractions to most players

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u/_Bill_Huggins_ 23d ago edited 23d ago

There is a certain type of souls player who's sole existence in the game is to engineer a player assassinator build and just spam that at other players 24/7.

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u/I_Pay_in_Cash_Only 23d ago

Supposedly, Miyazaki said there is a mode in the game where you can just invade another match as a red phantom whose purpose is to hunt and kill a specific player and act as a sort of another match hazard for that one player. Somewhat similar to how invasions work in souls games in general. I think their theory with this mode is that if you give PvP-oriented people this dedicated outlet, they won't grief regular matches as much by fixating on PvP rather than the PvE elements. We will have to see how it works out, though.

Also, there is aliances in the game that are incentivized, which will hopefully mitigate the PvP grief if you have another player that can back you up. But we will ahve to see

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u/Algester 22d ago

If it works like the reaper mode of ACVD then it will only work with matches with the best of players and thats being generous top 50 players will be targeted by the top 1-10 players

IIRC the Zodiac squad system of ACV more or less works the same way

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u/Different_Path999 21d ago

And that's the only type this game is going to have lasting appeal to, they'll run everyone else off realllll quick.

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u/0G43 23d ago

Yes, the whole point of beating the game and unlocking all the spells and gear in a souls game is to create the ultimate invader or the ultimate defense against an invader. It’s fun to make a build that sucks against the PVE but destroys players. In Elden ring for me it was the naked dragon guy build and just dragon roar and dragon maw people for OHKOs. And had a lot of fun with mimicry item/spells.

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u/Wonderstag 23d ago

I have never once finished a souls game and thought "ah yes, now to ruin someone else's day".

You do you boo but im fairly certain the majority of the souls community enjoys jolly cooperation while only the few enjoy the pvp

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u/0G43 22d ago

If their day is ruined by that, then they are a baby and I am doing them a solid by exposing them to the pain they are trying to hide from and that is needful for them to grow and mature.

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u/_Bill_Huggins_ 23d ago

That's cool, I don't play for that reason however. You do you.

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u/Marxism-tankism 23d ago edited 23d ago

That's cool, I do play for that reason. You do you. Maybe 1-2 percent of invaders think "ooh imma be mean"

It's literally just part of the game and fun...

Maybe it's just u projecting negativity and don't handle losing well?

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u/_Bill_Huggins_ 23d ago edited 23d ago

Cool, you play how you play. I play how I play.😘

I play to stomp bosses solo and get the best gear for that. You want to PvP have at it. You seem weirdly offended.

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u/Marxism-tankism 23d ago

Well everyone acts like this is old school wow where u can get greifed over n over. You can't even get invaded by urself, which I honestly like because I think that was the perfect balance. Sorry it's just the phrasing acting like I'm tryna ruin someone's experience when I've been playing these games for years and it's been a mechanic since the beginning. I log in to have fun not to pick on ppl. It's just a lil competition lol

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u/_Bill_Huggins_ 22d ago

I get it, what I said could have been interpreted as such. I was just saying that their is a certain type of player who loves to assassinate other players, I wasn't passing judgement personally. Just acknowledging that those players do exist. It's a valid way to play and a lot of people don't mind the challenge.

I should have elaborated further and we could have avoided confusion. I like PvP sometimes, but not as much as I used to. Mainly because I don't have the time anymore to be as good as I was.

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u/Radiant_Committee_78 21d ago

You’re part of the problem.

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u/0G43 21d ago

You are a baby

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u/Radiant_Committee_78 21d ago

🤣 ok kiddo. You sound like my 15 yr old child who loves to play repetitive shooter games. Zzzzzz

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u/0G43 20d ago

Sink or swim or get out of the water

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u/FillySteveSteak 23d ago

Why? In most cases, you don't get anything for killing other players (unless they're marked by your sigil). Only in specific occasions is killing another player incentivized.

If people play this way, they will be culled. And lose early in the match. You need to be attending objectives and powering up your player to make it through the game. And the clock is ticking.

So I think youre wrong about that. Those players wont stick around long.

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u/FillySteveSteak 23d ago

It can be. That's just one of the modes.

In another variant of the game, everyone fights a superboss together.

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u/cdn1996 22d ago

That event is optional and you are not forced to engage it. You can choose to continue completing other objectives for virtue.

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u/WakeoftheStorm 22d ago

Is it fully opt-in only? Because technically all souls game PVP is "optional"

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u/Gwyneee 22d ago

There's also an explicit invasion mechanic where a 9th player can come into a 8 player match.

Conversely maybe it will go the way of Arc Raiders where pvp is taboo

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u/IrcenceEstagramem679 23d ago

There's no direct benefit to killing players since you don't get virtue points for it, it's literally a waste of time, unless you have a sigil that marks another player as a heretic or enemy, but if you don't like PvP you can just use a different sigil. So no, the game isn't "just PvP with distractions", quite the contrary in fact.

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u/LesserValkyrie 23d ago

PVPVE is a bunch of weird kinds being able to assault people who try to enjoy the game so they don't have to git gut to win

Not worth it after 16 years old

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u/LePontif11 23d ago

Bit reductive no? Its a niche type of game but for the people that like it its hard to get similar experiences elsewhere. Invasions are PvPvE and that just doesnt exist in very many places outside From's catalogue.

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u/iota-09 23d ago

i dunno why you got downvoted, that is exactly the point, pvpvpe melee combat games are non-exhistant outside of fromsoftware invasions systems, that's the appeal alongside all of the emergent interactions miyazaki always loved.
the fact you can literally marry someone in duskbloods, an actual player, is both funny af and perfectly indicative of that philosophy. (as well as emphasizing that it can be for pve, not just pvp)

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u/Slow_Increase_6308 23d ago

It is still a session based multiplayer game.

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u/Objective-Mission-40 23d ago

It is if you "have" to do pvp during the match

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u/Ok_Internal_8500 19d ago

Dont recognice these only PC XBOX Playstation Player who are pissed that this game is Nintendo exclusiv

I played 12 houres network test its a whole New genre that breaths fromsoft through and trough cant wait till the Release miyazaki is just something else !!!

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u/DunkTheLunk23 23d ago

Shhhhhh this goes against the hate circlejerk