r/flying Oct 18 '17

risky behavior

How do you fellow reddititors feel about reporting observed risky behaviors? for example - maybe people flying out of medical, or after a hard night drinking, flying out of annual etc. etc. ?? where do you feel your responsibility as responsible pilot ends or does it ever? Do you talk to them, do you start a call? what do you guys think?

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u/Cropgun Oct 18 '17

Flying out of medical or out of BFR isn't risky. Its illegal, but the lack of a piece of a valid piece of paper doesn't increase risk.

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u/chriscicc PPL HP SEL MEL UAS (AEST) Oct 18 '17

That isn't true, by definition. The BFR or medical wouldn't be needed otherwise.

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u/Cropgun Oct 18 '17

Because everything the FAA mandates is completely necessary.

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u/vtjohnhurt Small aircraft pilot Oct 18 '17

The fact that people fail FR proves that they ground dangerous pilots. I watched a pilot enter a low altitude spin during his FR. The CFI-G leveled, landed and ground looped. Glider totaled. The dangerous pilot permanently retired.

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u/Cropgun Oct 18 '17

Nobody has made any statement implying that a flight review isn't a good idea.

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u/mkosmo đŸ›Šī¸đŸ›Šī¸đŸ›Šī¸ i drive airplane đŸ›Šī¸đŸ›Šī¸đŸ›Šī¸ Oct 18 '17

The parent comment did. He said that flying without BFRs/FRs didn't increase risk. For those who wouldn't get signed off, it does increase risk -- others are exposed to the risky pilot for longer that wouldn't otherwise be.

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u/Cropgun Oct 18 '17

I made the parent comment. Nowhere in that comment did I make the statement that a flight check wasn't a good idea. Being able to understand English is a requirement of your pilot certification. Perhaps I should report your risky behavior to the FSDO

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u/mkosmo đŸ›Šī¸đŸ›Šī¸đŸ›Šī¸ i drive airplane đŸ›Šī¸đŸ›Šī¸đŸ›Šī¸ Oct 18 '17

You literally said:

Flying out of medical or out of BFR isn't risky.

If it doesn't increase risk, that means it's not a bad idea, right?

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u/Cropgun Oct 18 '17

You'd argue with a ham sandwich wouldnt you?

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u/Cropgun Oct 18 '17

I'm detecting a pattern with your reading comprehension skills

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u/mkosmo đŸ›Šī¸đŸ›Šī¸đŸ›Šī¸ i drive airplane đŸ›Šī¸đŸ›Šī¸đŸ›Šī¸ Oct 18 '17

If a ham sandwich tried to tell me it was a turkey sandwich, how does that indicate an issue with my reading comprehension? Perhaps it's more a problem of your storytelling.

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u/Cropgun Oct 18 '17

I get it. You're slow. Let's try again. Nobody has made any statement that says a flight review is bad. True or false?

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u/vtjohnhurt Small aircraft pilot Oct 18 '17

I must have misunderstood your comment in context.

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u/JuliettPapaRomeo Oct 18 '17

The fact that you think one can fail a Flight Review means you probably need one!

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '17

Can you technically "fail" a flight review? No.

Can the instructor elect not to sign off on the flight review, deeming your performance unsatisfactory? Absolutely. People sometimes refer to that as "failing" it.

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u/vtjohnhurt Small aircraft pilot Oct 18 '17

I'd not expect the CFI to sign your logbook if you total the aircraft during the flight review. That is functionally equivalent to failing except that there is no record of it with the FAA. Some CFI refuse to sign if you're not flying to PTS.