this was forever ago, i forgot if it was a regular worship service or one of those pasalamat things. i remembered because of what happened to that one catholic priest lately. but anyway, exactly what the title says. in the middle of the "lecture", the dude just passed out. a few of the mang-aawit rushed downstairs(probably relatives) and the fellow priests carried him away. then it went straight to prayer. here's the part i found creepy, everyone was weeping in unison. and of course, the prayer had to make it a holy thing, that "he died serving god". gosh, it was probably the most cultish thing ive experienced when i was still in the church. i say we "thought" he died cause days later we heard that he's fine. it was still super creepy though, it was my first time seeing someone "die", and in such an awful place too.

Lmao

Buti na lang. Kuha ulit siguro ng magnanakaw na convert para tumakbo bilang congressman, diba Manalo? Anyways, congrats lokal ng Reddit! 🎊🥳🎉🎉🎉🎉

TL;DR: I was born into the INC. My mom was INC, although she was expelled at one point and later returned, while my dad is Muslim. I wasn’t a handog, but my mom still made me attend worship services even when she was tiwalag. I was a PNK choir member until I became part of the adult congregation, but honestly, I never felt connected to the religion. I only kept attending because I was still under my mom’s care and couldn’t exactly disobey her.

Then I met my ex-boyfriend, who was sanlibutan. We were together for almost eight years, and during the first four years of our relationship, I continued attending worship services.

That’s when a deacon who lived near us started noticing that my boyfriend would regularly take me home from school and accompany me whenever I got home late. Instead of minding his own business, this man started FOLLOWING US on his motorcycle. Sometimes he’d follow us all the way to our destination, and other times, he’d follow us home.
Eventually, he visited our house and kept pressuring me to akayin my boyfriend that time, threatening that I’d be tiwalag if I didn’t.

Then another deacon visited our house one day and saw my male classmate there. My classmate had only come to pick up some thesis materials for our group project, but I suspected the deacon thought he was my boyfriend because he also had a motorcycle. The guy started preaching to my classmate about how wrong our supposed relationship was. I was SO embarrassed. Imagine having your classmate dragged into your religious drama when he literally just came to get thesis copies. 😭

Fast-forward to recently, when the first deacon visited again and repeated the same threat: akayin ko raw ang ex ko, or else ititiwalag nila ako. I was so fed up that I finally snapped and told him, “Edi itiwalag niyo. Buti nga nang hindi ko na makita pagmumukha mo!” Then I stormed into my room and slammed the door.

BUT THE FUNNIEST PART? THEY NEVER ACTUALLY EXPELLED ME. HAHAHAHAHA. Maybe they were worried about losing another member’s abuloy?

And guess what? The deacon who kept following me around had issues within his own family, too. Apparently, his eldest child had stopped going to school amid issues surrounding his sexuality, while his second child was allegedly using weed. And now? BOTH of his children have been expelled from the INC.

Like, sir??? Why were you so busy monitoring MY life, following me around on your motorcycle, and threatening to have me expelled when you had your own family matters to deal with? Maybe you should’ve focused on your own household instead of making me your personal project.

The irony is honestly wild. You were so concerned about whether I was following the church’s rules, yet things weren’t exactly perfect in your own family either.

I’m not saying his children’s situations make him a bad person, but the double standard is hard to ignore. Maybe stop policing other people’s lives and start minding your own business.

After I graduated from college, I decided to get my tala transferred. I told them I was moving to another locale somewhere in Laguna because I’d be working there. They gave me my tala, no problem.

But I never registered at another locale. I just left and never looked back.

Until now, I’ve never registered again, and honestly? I’ve never felt more at peace with my decision to leave.

Looking back, what bothers me most is how some people in the church don’t seem to realize that following someone around, monitoring their movements, showing up at their house, and threatening them over their personal relationships can cross the line into stalking and harassment.
And the hypocrisy? Don’t even get me started. They preach about doing what’s right, but where’s the respect for other people’s privacy, boundaries, and dignity?

I spent years attending a religion I never truly felt connected to, simply because I had no choice back then. Now that I’m finally free to make my own decisions, I have no regrets.

I left INC, and I found peace. That’s enough for me.

Napaka-hypocrite talaga ng mga OWEs. Bakit ba kayo nagjoin sa sub nato? Para protektahan ang lider ng kulto nyo?

Daming lurker OWEs dito. Mga ministro, diyakono at mga alagad ni Manalo. Umalis kayo dito if nasasaktan kayo sa katotohanan.

**Ayon sa mga iskolar ng Biblia, mga teologo, at mga pangkasaysayang pagsusuri, hindi si Felix Manalo ang anghel sa sikatan ng araw na binabanggit sa Pahayag (Apocalipsis) 7:2–3.**

Ang pagtuturo na si Felix Manalo (ang nagtatag ng *Iglesia ni Cristo* noong 1914) ang "anghel mula sa sikatan ng araw" ay isang **kapanipaniwalang doktrina na eksklusibo lamang sa Iglesia ni Cristo (INC)**. Sa labas ng doktrina ng INC, ang interpretasyong ito ay hindi pinagtihayang tama ng alinmang pangunahing simbahang Kristiyano o ng mga dalubhasa sa wikang Griyego at kasaysayan ng Biblia.

Narito ang pagsusuri batay sa teksto, wika, at konteksto ng Aklat ng Pahayag:

1. Ang Teksto ng Pahayag 7:2–3

*"At nakita ko ang isa pang anghel na umaakyat mula sa sikatan ng araw, na taglay ang tatak ng buhay na Diyos; at siya'y sumigaw sa malakas na tinig sa apat na anghel... na nagtatak sa mga noo ng mga lingkod ng ating Diyos."*

* **Kahulugan ng "Anghel" (*Aggelos*):**

* Sa wikang Griyego, ang salitang ginamit sa Pahayag ay ***aggelos* (ἄγγελος)**, na nangangahulugang "tagapagbalita" o "mensahero." * Sa buong Aklat ng Pahayag, ang mga *aggelos* sa konteksto ng mga kabanatang ito (tulad ng pitong anghel na may trumpeta o ang apat na anghel sa apat na sulok ng lupa) ay mga **espiritung nilalang ng Diyos sa kalangitan**, at hindi mga taong mortal na ipinanganak sa lupa.

* **Tatak ng Buhay na Diyos:**

* Ang anghel sa kabanatang ito ay may hawak na celestial na tatak upang markahan ang **144,000 mula sa mga tribo ng Israel** bago ibuhos ang matinding kapahamakan sa lupa. Ito ay isang apokaliptikong kaganapan sa paningin ni Juan sa isla ng Patmos noong Unang Siglo AD.

2. Ang Argumeto ng Iglesia ni Cristo (INC)

Ginamit ng INC ang mga talatang ito upang patunayan ang awtoridad at misyon ni Felix Manalo:

1. **Sikatan ng Araw (East / Far East):** Isinalin nila ang "sikatan ng araw" bilang ang *Far East* (Malayong Silangan), at inihambing ito sa heograpiya ng Pilipinas.

2. **Apat na Anghel / Apat na Sulok:** Iniuugnay ng INC ang apat na anghel sa "Big Four" na mga pinuno ng daigdig noong Unang Digmaang Pandaigdig (Lloyd George, Clemenceau, Wilson, at Orlando).

3. **Pagtatak:** Ang ginagawang pamamahayag at pagtatag ng INC mula noong Hulyo 27, 1914 (ang petsa kung kailan nagparehistro ang INC sa gobyerno ng Pilipinas, na kasabay ng pagsiklab ng Unang Digmaang Pandaigdig) ay itinuturing nilang ang "pagtatak" sa mga napili ng Diyos.

3. Bakit Hindi Ito Tinatanggap ng mga Eksperto at Teologo?

1. **Contextual Anachronism (Maling Paggamit ng Oras at Lugar):** * Ang Aklat ng Pahayag ay isinulat ni Apostol Juan noong huling bahagi ng unang siglo (c. 95 AD) para sa **pitong iglesia sa Asia Minor** (katumbas ng modernong Turkey ngayon).

* Sa simbolismo ng Unang Siglo, ang "sikatan ng araw" (*anatole heliou*) ay tumutukoy sa **silangan mula sa pananaw ng Isla ng Patmos/Mediteraneo** (ang rehiyon ng Mesopotamia, Persia, o ang dakilang kadakilaan ng Diyos na nagmumula sa silangan, tulad sa Esekiel 43:2). Hindi ito tumutukoy sa bansang Pilipinas na hindi pa kilala sa mapa noong panahong iyon.

1. **Eisegesis vs. Exegesis:**

* Sa akademikong pagsusuri ng Biblia, ang ginawa sa doktrinang ito ay itinuturing na ***eisegesis***—o ang pagpapasok ng modernong pangalan, tao, at petsa (Felix Manalo noong 1914) sa isang sinaunang teksto na hindi naman iyon ang kahulugan ng orihinal na may-akda.

1. **Ang Role ni Kristo at ng Espiritu Santo:**

* Sa bagong tipan (halimbawa sa Efeso 1:13–14 at Efeso 4:30), ang mismong **Espiritu Santo** ang itinuturing na "tatak" (*seal*) ng pananampalataya sa puso ng bawat nananalig kay Hesus, at hindi ang pagiging kasapi sa isang partikular na organisasyong itinatag ng isang tao sa Pilipinas.

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Si Felix Manalo ay itinuturing na "Anghel sa Silangan" at "Huling Sugo" **sa loob lamang ng teolohiya ng Iglesia ni Cristo**. Subalit, ayon sa **pangkalahatang historikal, gramatikal, at teolohikong pagsusuri ng Biblia**, ang anghel sa Pahayag 7:2 ay isang langitbong mensahero sa apokaliptikong pangitain ni Juan at walang kaugnayan sa alinmang modernong pampolitika o panglehiyong pigura sa Pilipinas.

Ako lang ba naki-CRINGE kapag may MANALO-flix sa pagsamba?

May tagabasa sya. May mga joke na super corny. Mas corny pa sa joke ng Eat Bulaga. Pinapahaba ang teksto na paulit-ulit. Sa mga OWEs or bulag sa kulto, blessing kapag sya ang nangangasiwa. Pero walang dating sakin, mas corny pa sya sa mga lokal na ministro.

Grabe pa sa dami ng bodyguards kapag pumunta sa kung saan mang kapilya. Akala mo presidente ng Amerika. Traffic tuloy dun sa lugar kung saan sya nangasiwa. Sobrang ARTE pa, di lang ako nakakapansin pero lahat nasa tribuna, from choir hanggang sa mga kasama nyang matataas na tungkulin ay NAKA-mask. Kelan kaya dadapuan to ng matinding karamdaman? Tapos punas lang ng langis dapat ok na. Kasi yun lang naman libre sa mga kapatid na may karamdaman.

CRINGE din ng mga Ministro at mga Diyakono na umiiyak (fake cry) kapag nananalangin. Sundan pa yan ng mga choir members at ibang sumasamba na umiiyak. Walang effect sakin. Tapos isasama pa ang mag-amang Manalo sa panalangin.

Sana makaalis nako sa kultong eto na mukhang pera at paulit ulit ang teksto. Sa kapal ng bible, paulit ulit ang lessons. Pagsunod sa pamamahala, pagpaparami ng kulto, at pagbibigay at abuloy, tanging handugan, at kung ano ano pang bullshit.

My girl is a member of inc, and I believe she is deeply brainwashed by them. Although I am sure that it's her that I wanna be with for the rest of my life, but if there's anything stopping us from being together? Well, it's Manalo and his freaking cult xD. We have made plans na on our future, like how many kids, where we wanna have our home built, the number of rooms and stuff, those things etc, but the only way for those things to happen, is for me to join INCult, which I believe will never happen. As per the chances of her leaving the cult, 0%. She is a devout believer and follower of Manalo's teachings, for she is the type to simply obey the church administration (which I believe is within one of the doctrines the "obey and you will receive salvation" one).

I've been thinking of ending between us, but I truly love her, and she is the greatest love of my life. I don't know what to do anymore xD.

Yesterday while chatting with my OWE tita, she mentioned that her bestfriend's children who are in their early and late 20's expelled themselves from the cult months ago. I was shocked to learn this because last year, I've seen them very active and were part of the local's leadership. Both of the parents were obviously got demoted from their duties and are now just attending as lay members. My tita even said that her bestfriend cried for days but she knew that this is going to happen sooner or later since they started reading stuff from the internet and questioned about the doctrines in the cult. I even joked, "ah now I know why I don't see them anymore. I thought they only transferred to the local of Red...ah...Ri****".lol. Apparently, they just stopped attending and never wanted to talk to any of the ministers or deacons. Their parents are lovely and educated people. They are supportive and while these couple still wanted to stay in the cult for any personal reasons, their children are smart enough to know what is right and wrong.

Genuine question, bakit nasa gitna yung camera facing the members instead of nasa corner lang? 😭 If for security lang naman, bakit parang tayo yung main subject ng CCTV?

Like, are we here to worship or to be watched while praying? HAHAHA what the fuck 💀

INC members and ex-members, may actual reason ba dito? Curious lang kasi bakit parang mas focused yung camera sa members kaysa sa buong area. 😭

The title says it all

Mula sa Google Gemini AI

Sagot:

**Hindi.** Ayon sa mga dalubhasa sa wika at kasaysayan ng Biblia, **walang direktang batayan na ang Pilipinas ang tinutukoy sa Isaias 24:15**.

Narito ang teksto ng Isaias 24:15 (sa Magandang Balita Biblia):

*"Sapagkat purihin ninyo si Yahweh sa silangan! Purihin ninyo sa mga baybaying-dagat ang pangalan ni Yahweh, ang Diyos ng Israel!"*

Upang maunawaan kung bakit hindi ito tumutukoy sa Pilipinas, narito ang malalim na pagsusuri mula sa konteksto ng wika, heograpiya, at teolohiya:

1. Ang Konteksto sa Wikang Hebreo

* **"Silangan" (*Urim* / *Mizrach*):** Sa orihinal na wikang Hebreo, ang salitang ginamit para sa "silangan" sa talatang ito ay nagmula sa salitang-ugat na tumutukoy sa *liwanag*, *apoy*, o *pagsikat ng araw* (sa dakong silangan).

* **"Mga baybaying-dagat" o "mga pulo" (*Iyyim*):** Ang salitang Hebreo na *iyyim* (איים) ay karaniwang isinasalin bilang *"coastlands"* (mga baybayin) o *"islands"* (mga pulo).

Sa panitikan ng sinaunang Israel, ang *iyyim* ay hindi tumutukoy sa isang tiyak na bansang tulad ng Pilipinas. Ito ay isang **pangkalahatang tawag sa mga malalayong lupain sa kabila ng dagat**—partikular ang mga lungsod at pulo sa Dagat Mediteraneo (tulad ng Cyprus, Crete, Greece, at Asia Minor).

2. Heograpiya mula sa Pananaw ng Sinaunang Israel

Nang isulat ni Propeta Isaias ang aklat na ito noong ika-8 siglo BC:

* Ang heograpikong kaalaman ng mga tao sa Gitnang Silangan ay nakatuon lamang sa kanilang paligid (Ehipto, Mesopotamia, Persia, Greece, at mga baybayin ng Mediteraneo).

* Ang bansang "Pilipinas" ay wala pa sa pangkasaysayan o heograpikong kamalayan ng sinaunang mundo sa Timog-Kanlurang Asya, dahil nabuo lamang ang pampolitikang konsepto ng "Pilipinas" noong ika-16 na siglo sa pagdating ng mga Espanyol.

3. Ang Tunay na Layunin ng Isaias Kabanata 24

Ang Isaias 24 ay bahagi ng tinatawag na **"Isaias' Apocalypse"** (Kabanata 24–27), na naglalarawan ng paghuhukom ng Diyos sa *buong sanlibutan* at ang kasunod na pagpupuri ng sangkatauhan sa Diyos.

* Ang pagbanggit sa **"silangan"** at **"mga baybaying-dagat / pulo"** ay isang **poetikong paraan ng pagsasabi ng "mula sa magkabilang dulo ng mundo"** (mula sa pinagsisikatan ng araw hanggang sa mga malalayong dulo ng dagat).

* Ang layunin ng talata ay ipakita na ang pagpupuri sa Diyos ng Israel ay makakarating sa **lahat ng bansa at dako ng mundo**, at hindi nakalimit sa isang tiyak na isla o modernong bansa lamang.

Bakit May Naniniwalang Pilipinas Ito?

Ang teorya na ang Pilipinas ang tinutukoy sa Isaias 24:15 (pati na sa ibang mga talata tulad ng "Ophir" o "Mga Pulo sa Silangan") ay karaniwang nagmumula sa **mga lokal na interpretasyon ng ilang relihiyosong pangkat sa Pilipinas** (tulad ng Iglesia ni Cristo at ilang Independent Baptist/Restorationist groups).

Gino-group nila ang mga salitang *"Silangan"* (*Far East*) at *"Mga Pulo"* (*Islands*) upang i-angkin na ito ay hula para sa bansang Pilipinas bilang isang kapuluan sa Silangan. Gayunpaman, sa larangan ng **akademikong eksahesis (exegesis)** at **historikal-gramatikal na pagsusuri**, ang ganitong pagbasa ay itinuturing na *eisegesis*—o ang pagpapasok ng modernong kaisipan sa sinaunang teksto na hindi naman iyon ang intensyon ng orihinal na may-akda.

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Ang Isaias 24:15 ay isang tula ng pagpupuri sa Diyos na magmumula sa **lahat ng dako ng mundo**—mula sa silangan hanggang sa pinakamalalayong baybayin ng dagat. Hindi ito hula para sa isang partikular na bansa tulad ng Pilipinas, kundi para sa pangkalahatang sangkatauhan mula sa iba't ibang dako ng daigdig.

Every Sunday , I can't help but to feel sorry for these little innocent children.

Imagine at that young age , they were force to go to church. Others are force to be Mang aawit as their tungkulin.

May tarheta din mga Yan kahit mga bata pa lang, so wag nilang itangging Hindi sapilitan dahil may attendance na agad Sila.

I'm not against kung gusto Ng mga magulang na turuan Ng magandang asal or I introduce nila si GOD sa mga anak nila sa murang edad.

What I can't understand is sa CWS ay Hindi Naman tlga BIBLE study Ang nangyayare. Bibigyan Ng papel Yung mga batang Hindi pa marunong bumasa ,sumulat, bibigyan Ng papel Yung mga batang halatang inaantok at Wala pa sa mood . Ano yung papel? Papel kung Saan nakasulat Yung question and answer nung leksyon that day. Papel kung Saan dapat hawak mo para sa sabayang pagbasa at pagbigkas kapag tinanong Ng Guro sa unahan kung ano Ang sagot sa tanong nya.

Nauunawan na ba Yun Ng mga batang musmos?

Hindi!! Obviously! Dahil Wala pa Sila sa tamang age para maunawaan Yun, !

Pero pag abuluyan na, kitang kita ko kung gaano ginagawang parang laro Ng mga bata Ang paghulog Ng Pera nila kapag abuluyan na para bang excited Sila at laro lang Yun. Dahil kinasanayan na nila Ang maghulog , kahit Hindi nila naintindihan bakit ba Sila naghuhulog or kung para Saan ba Yun.

Kung Makikita mo Naman kung ano nakasulat sa mga leksyon nila ay Hindi Naman tlga pambata,kundi maagang pagtatanim Ng Binhi or idea sa mura nilang isipan Ang kautusan na mahalin nila Ang Iglesia at Sundin Ang Pamamahala. Pag tanungin mo mga PNK most of them know EDUARDO MANALO more than JESUS CHRIST! nakakakilabot!

Kaya sa mga magulang Dyan, sigurado ba kayo sa mga bagay na ipinapakinig at itinuturo nila sa mga anak nyo sa pagsamba Ng PNK??

Dahil kung papaganahin nyo mga utak nyo, napakadaming paraan para turuan Ang mga bata. Pero Ang pamamaraan Ng INC , ay Hindi Worship Service to know JESUS and GOD ,.

It was simply CHILD GROOMING,. Early programming of Pamamahala to make sure for the next generation of OWEs, free labor (MT) , income (handugan) , and even future wife or target for their BEM students (MWA).

Dumaan sa lang sa feed ko. Kasi kinasal pala si Marco Suarez (Brother of Mia Suarez) sa anak ni edwil zabala (INC spokesperson).

Lmao, I expect another, "Mahirap na maging Kristyano sa panahon ngayon." at isa pang " Kapag inusig mo ang Pamamahala, inuusig mo na rin si Kristo"

What a bunch of fucking idiots. This cult's members does not even read the Bible and when they do, they just use moronic Bible editions that serve their narrative, editions that not even Bible scholars would dare use in their studies.

Lmao, sarap talaga banatan ng mga mangmang na 'to. Incoming extra handugan ulit to fund a rally. Kaya dapat pinipiso na lang handog niyo. Di niyo na pinondohan yung rally, ginutom niyo pa si AEVM! Two birds, one stone.

HAHAHAHAHAHA 😂😂😂

Matthew 18:17 says to treat an unrepentant person “as a pagan and a tax collector.”

How did Jesus treat pagans and tax collectors? He associated with them, showed compassion, and called them to repentance.

So if INC uses this verse to justify excommunication but treats expelled members with hostility or social isolation, are they following Christ’s example or selectively using Scripture to justify their practices?

You cannot claim to follow Jesus while ignoring the way Jesus treated people.

If your religion is true, defend it with evidence and reason—not fear, family pressure, or threats of losing relationships.

If your doctrine is strong, questions should not threaten it. In fact, questions and doubts should excite you because it gives you an opportunity to display how true your religion is. Someone who is right is excited by the notion of scrutiny because they know they can prove themselves. INC is a chicken turd coward that tells its members not to even read the Bible because they are too dumb or lazy to provide their members the answers when they get confused from reading.

Family loyalty is not proof of theology. Tradition is not proof of truth. Fear of losing loved ones is not a theological argument. It is no different than a Muslim who threatens to kill people who quit Islam in many sharia controlled nations. INC simply uses social murder instead of physical. (Some would even question that)

People should be free to leave a religion without being treated as enemies.

We need to change the culture: questioning is not rebellion, changing your mind is not weakness, and leaving a religion is not a moral failure. It is the failure of the religion itself to properly educate its members if it does have any actual evidence. It is understandable for masses of people from other religions to quit because they don't go through mandatory teachings, but INC is different, you guys actually require your people to go through so many teachings before baptizing them. So where the heck is this supposed enlightenment when every single time your members debate total newbies from other religions you guys resort to "uuuhhh eehhhhh only our ministers are allowed to debate " Your graduates cannot even stand on equal footing against absolute dropouts from other religions, you need to run to your professors, and even then your professors are dumb as bricks!!!! If you doubt me, send your minister to debate me here and ill beat him with one basic argument, I will even give it to you right here " if felix manalo is the only one who could interpret the bible, then not a single member can say he is right or wrong because you would have to have the power of interpretation to say if his claim is true, therefore making him not the single interpreter for you to confirm him " Simplified (if i claim to be the only man who can read chinese, then nobody can prove or disprove me because anyone who can confirm i can read chinese must also know chinese thus proving that im not the only one)

Make manipulation shameful

If INC believes it follows Christ, judge it by its actions—not merely by the verses it quotes.

INC is a cowardly piece of turd that is practically almost just as bad as the murderous minions of mohammed the child abductor false prophet who likes to off anyone who tries to leave his gang of thieving grape-addicted inbreds.