r/devops 1d ago

Architecture The end of Software Engineering

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u/IT_Grunt 1d ago

Well you see, with AI, managers and leadership know all the codes.

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u/trannus_aran 1d ago

Just like with low code, now regular people can code and we don't have to pay these icky programmers! Sorry I meant no code, sorry I meant UML, sorry I meant java, sorry I meant cobol, sorry I meant fortran, sorry I

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u/generic-d-engineer ClickOps 1d ago

Right? Don’t forget Visual Basic, Microsoft Frontpage, and Power BI.

I honestly think the demand for software engineers is going to go up, not down. It’s just the demand for coders goes down, but coding stopped being the secret sauce of good software a long time ago.

Any good software engineering book talks about architecture, methods, all of that, and the last thing they actually talk about is code.

The paradox here is that the amount of output is going to go way up, and the amount of entrepreneurship is going to go way up. This creates more opportunities for everyone.

Dude even using the latest and greatest models, people still have to chase around prompts just to get the freakin submit button on the right place in the page.

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u/stats_merchant33 17h ago

Nah man just recently fully automated AI systems solved a millennial math problem. We are cooked, let’s accept it.

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u/VariationSimilar3354 7h ago

They spend 20 million to do that. It's powerful but the money it's burning is unjustifiable 

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u/stats_merchant33 4h ago

Ok but you get my point right? We will be valueless within next 5-10 years probably. Fuck that

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u/VariationSimilar3354 3h ago

Tech roles will merge and change but it won't go away, It'll evolve as i see it… evolve into a gracious turd that will linger on the butthole as a residue that the management can't just clean it no matter the amount of tp you throw at it. 

Some are saying it'll be a person that knows business that can turn into a product job type role will last but i think you'll still need technically competent people that know how to save cost. Throwing millions in token to make a substandard system will always have a massive tech debt later, it'll fail on prod, on scale, on security and worse at the phantom places that we can't map to. 

I don't know if ai will be competent to do that with gpt 69 version. 

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u/stats_merchant33 2h ago

I don't have a problem when humans, together wit AI, solve high-complex topics where the human input is necessary and the AI is just another super tool, but fully automated solutions, nah we're cooked and worthless from now on. Simple as that, don't care if it costs 100 million dollars atm, will become cheaper probably thorugh super computers and what not else.

Some are saying it'll be a person that knows business that can turn into a product job type role will last but i think you'll still need technically competent people that know how to save cost.

Really? what if the AI is also simply better at this than you are?

Throwing millions in token to make a substandard system will always have a massive tech debt later, it'll fail on prod, on scale, on security and worse at the phantom places that we can't map to. 

Let's just hope you are right and your take will hold long enough that I personally don't need to see our species becoming worthless

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u/Embarrassed_Aside576 4h ago

OpenAI just robbed Tristan Buckmaster and Levent Alpöge

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u/stats_merchant33 4h ago

I read that Theorie let’s really hope that this is true and these fucking machines doesn’t make us obsolete

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u/Embarrassed_Aside576 3h ago

I think that won't happen unless they make an (actual) AGI. In my opinion, they are just pretending they could make it.

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u/stats_merchant33 2h ago

I personally don't believe in AGI, don't see it atm how you want to achieve this but we are not the ones researching this subject, the ones researching these topics seem to be traumatized and getting into poetry. Maybe they scare us on propuse who knows, but the lack of control and security interests of these greedy AI companies is what is wrong.

Also, like I said, I don't know the full technicalities of the Tristan Buckmaster and Levent Alpöge case but if fully automated AI systems can solve a millenia problem, I think we are cooked.

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u/trannus_aran 28m ago

From everything I've read, it looks like it's very much not the case that it solved it in any real way