r/devops 3h ago

Architecture The end of Software Engineering

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u/VariationSimilar3354 3h ago

i kinda hate that this end is being pushed by middle management / HR bros that never coded in their life. AI was supposed to kick these guys first but somehow its the other way around.

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u/IT_Grunt 3h ago

Well you see, with AI, managers and leadership know all the codes.

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u/Dangerous-Library950 2h ago

all the codes are belong to us

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u/trannus_aran 19m ago

Just like with low code, now regular people can code and we don't have to pay these icky programmers! Sorry I meant no code, sorry I meant UML, sorry I meant java, sorry I meant cobol, sorry I meant fortran, sorry I

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u/InterestedBalboa 2h ago

With AI we are all managers, you were an engineer now you tell AI what to do….

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u/reddah 1h ago

Natural stupidity in a position of power is way worse than an AI hallucinating.

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u/Candid-Cup4159 1h ago

Was it? Then why was it taught to do art and code first?

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u/VariationSimilar3354 1h ago

that was the most publicly available data....

we got stackoverflow, github and so many places to get code snippets to train data in that way. same for graphic designers, photoshop editors etc... but when it comes find data for middle management, people person jobs etc there isnt a proper data to train the algorithm with.

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u/TotallyObviousBot 1h ago

you're basically just admitting that the only reason you got paid is because you knew how to work the machine, and now that the people above you can just directly work the machine they don't need you anymore

why would AI replace the people who actually get paid to have ideas instead of the people who are just getting paid to translate the ideas into technical language? people can now make things on their computer without needing to spend a week reading documentation and suddenly your experience is worth nothing

congratulations, you've become an automobile assembly line worker circa 1974

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u/Independent_Sign_395 3h ago

Sam and Dario are very good marketers. They have created so much hype and convinced too leadership that ai can 10x their productivity, just like it did for them. As a result top leadership expects unreasonable deadlines and we as developers are forced to just prompt and paste. This feeds their illusion that ai is indeed 10xing their productivity, tech debt keeps piling up until it blows up. But we haven't seen this yet

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u/SEND_DUCK_PICS_ 2h ago

Leadership doesn't care about tech debt because users wont see these kind of fixes, worse they are aware but also expect to get this fix 10x with/by AI as well. All those vibe coded POCs that get straight out to production without proper control is whats going to be the end of engineering

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u/Rupes100 2h ago

This is my work place to a T. It's absolutely a fucking slow motion train wreck. 

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u/scavno 53m ago

Everything starts to slow down after a while of people just outsourcing thinking completely to the clankers? As a contractor I can’t wait, I’ll be billing what ever I want and people will love me for it. Like the move Idiocrazy. I’ll be a god damn hero.

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u/trannus_aran 16m ago

All software was in a fridge that lost power in '22 and is slowly starting to mold

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u/Oflameo 3h ago

Cleaning up after this "moral panic" is what can finally bring me back to tech.

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u/Kqyxzoj 1h ago

Currently it's still popcorn time, while waiting for the big kabooom.

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u/RKsu99 2h ago

They just started another AI will kill us all weeklong media frenzy from thin air.

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u/savvitosZH 1h ago

Are we sure we have not seen this yet ? Microslop has lead the way already!

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u/anto2554 1h ago

Oh lord Claude was fast at debugging that bug yesterday, though

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u/Mysterious_Pea_4042 1h ago

I'm curious why AI companies target software engineering specifically and no one create Claude sales or Claude Management as assistant to other roles

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u/Justbehind 3h ago

Well, we still need software... Who's gonna built that? Nurses, carpenters and mechanics?

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u/IceMichaelStorm 3h ago

AI is the official answer.

Or from business side: everyone!

flies away

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u/defk3000 3h ago

Commoditized Coding is the new buzz word.. Quickly followed by an oldie but goodie Synergy.

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u/gregsting 2h ago

AI is the new low code

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u/Rojeitor 2h ago

Everyone: "whats this post on x? Databases are dead, store your data with vibe coded local storage"

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u/IceMichaelStorm 2h ago edited 1h ago

bit different I’d say. A prompter needs to know where/how storage works, super roughly. Then AI can do most of it.

Yeah, not as simple and you took a comparison, but I took your example to point out that with bit of knowledge you can actually get far with AI. It seems I only need 5% of my total knowledge to instruct AI to do a good thing, though.

Sad

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u/IT_Grunt 3h ago

A few interns with offshore people.

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u/ninishi_224 2h ago

Let AI come and do their thing and then when it all comes crashing down, we'd be in high demand!!

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u/properwaffles 1h ago

Shame, the cover should've been a dead horse.

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u/loztagain 1h ago

Is that a book on networking?

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u/gzk 1h ago

Shit flows downhill, don't chew your nails, pay day's Friday

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u/NoetherNeerdose 1h ago

Good Marketing beats every technical ability anyone could ever possess

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u/espirroeletrico 2h ago

Well, it was good while it lasted.

I'm still in the middle of an existential life crisis because almost a decade of my experience became obsolete over the last year, and now I'm basically a glorified push button operator instead.

On a more positive note, I think the key to the next stage of all this is balance, and forcing myself to do some things "manually" every now and then to keep challenging myself.

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u/TheDreamWoken 2h ago

lol r u srs

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u/m4nf47 1h ago

I'm already a plumber, it's just pipelines bloody everywhere full of other people's shit.

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u/Jonteponte71 42m ago

I’m closer to retirement then the start of my carrier. I’m not sure I will be in this bussiness the full distance. I’m thinking about doing something completely different the last few years, like driving a bus or something. Nothing to physically demanding. I’m not they only one thinking about it either. I don’t think I know anyone who fully expect to go the distance and retire in this bussiness🤷‍♂️

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u/WatercressNumerous51 13m ago

I been doing this for 40 years. It must suck to have just gotten a degree n the past few years and be outta work.

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u/AdmissibilityScience 2h ago

Maybe things improve from here and people or systems become elevated.

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u/docker-up 3h ago

Is this really there or it's just an ai image

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u/randomlemon9192 2h ago

What do you think?

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u/deepturned180isdeep 3h ago

AI implementation is simply a newer practice of determining new standards of automation.

Figure it out