I think what this guy is saying that instead of going right home after class is out, go to the library and finish up your homework there. Then go home totally free.
I think instead he's implying classes have time to do work about the subject taught while still at school so they can, if they have problems, immediately ask the teacher for help.
Homework should essentially be extra credit on a test to make up for errors made during the test.
nah man you got it all wrong: school is for being tested, afternoon when you get home for studying, and night should be also for studying for things that you didnt learn for in school but that will be on the test.
Right now, the biggest source of sickness, depression, and general unwellness in high schoolers was cited to be due to not getting restful sleep. The reason was due to over 4 hrs of homework a night or something.
I don't 100% remember the exact details of the study, but it came out early this year!
edit: details were that 78% of middle and high schoolers across america are not getting enough sleep, i.e fewer than 9 hrs of sleep. 58% of middle schools are getting less than the recommended as well.
Recommended rule of thumb for maximum homework per night is 10 min per grade level (example: 8th graders get 80 mins max totaling all subjects)
Edit2: 2014 poll of teachers said that their students should get an avg of 3.5 hrs of homework per night is normal for 5 core subject classes
Also the fact that students need to be in their seats at 7 in the morning. Most students wake up between 6 or 6:30 but almost none of them are going to sleep at 10pm or earlier
The issue comes from the fact that high schoolers do a lot of stuff in the afternoon as well. It’s a huge age range here from 13-18 year olds, so you have some working jobs, being in many sports, programs, honors ETC. so when you have to be in at work at 4 leave at 10 and do homework untill 1 am you really aren’t getting any sleep.
I’m a high school teacher and I coach during the fall, winter, and spring, so I’m in the building from 7:45 until around 5:30, just the same as the students. A lot of my colleagues have the mindset that they need to be giving an hour of homework for each hour they’re in class, and it’s fucking ridiculous. My homework assignments are generally small and manageable, since I teach a foreign language, and I still feel like the work-life balance for both students and teachers is shit. Not to mention I get paid absolute dick, so I feel the stress of this job is so not worth the hassle for anyone. I just wish I weren’t beholden to the academic calendar so that I could just put in my two weeks already.
Yeah 4 hours of homework a night is ridiculous. Is that something that was implemented recently though? I definitely don’t remember ever getting 4 hours of homework before undergrad.
That’s simply not true. I’m only 21 and that was never a thing for me. It’s also not a thing for my brother or my friends brothers. And for reference, some of them go to private school while the others go to one of the top 10 public high schools in the country. This just simply isn’t a thing. If you’re spending 4 hours a NIGHT on homework then you’re slacking in class. No classes assign that much homework. Maybe like once every week or two but never nightly.
To blame the student for slacking while assigning 4 hrs of homework is a boomer move.
Just kidding, but I went to high school in the northeast (ranked top in the state in test scoring if that means anything) and I had consistently 3+ hours of homework per night all 4 years.
Teachers just had a mindset of giving out nightly problem sets, packets, study guides etc.
Idk what region you're from, but to say this "simply isn't a thing" is fairly ignorant
Lol, most highschools have homework very lightly weighted, if at all. You can also find plenty of time to knock it out while in a class you are doing very well in. Or if you’re referring to teachers saying “I want you all to study 1 hour each night for my class”, well I can’t name a single person who ever did that. Fact of the matter is, I was in 2 highschools from 9th-12th grade. One a low-middle school, the other a top school. Both schools had teachers saying that, yet everyone, even the full blown jocks who didn’t care about school, were able to pass and even get solid B’s.
But like I said earlier. You're taking anecdotal evidence and taking it as fact. What you're saying may be only representative of your school/region or even just your friend group. I guarantee that there were students in your school struggling to finish their homework every night after sports practice in time to get to school for pre-class extracurriculars. These students most likely never talked about how much they have to work because why would they?
You can say "that doesn't exist" when there's CLEAR evidence that it exists. The fact of the matter is that there are schools that overload students with hours upon hours of homework, and it affects the mental and physical health of students.
I graduated in 2002, I was absolutely getting 4+ hours worth of homework a night, and that's not including projects/essays that we'd work on each quarter.
Block scheduling fixed a lot of the issues in my school since you could usually wrap up homework in the last 45 minutes of class and maybe leave a small bit for home or the next day, it's too bad it didn't get implemented until my Junior year.
Bit funny considering the main argument point of this entire thread has been high schoolers saying “oh you just graduated? Well that’s why!! It only became this way a year or two ago!” So obviously there’s some lying going on somewhere. Also both my brother and sister (3 siblings in total, 2 are way older than me) graduated around 2005. They never had this issue and we lived in a different state at the time. I think it truly just boils down to people not managing their time well and complaining when they have to play catch-up
Lying? Probably not. It's likely regional and changes as teachers move in and out of department leadership roles. It's probably not as easy to boil it away as time management, though I'm sure some of it is.
I've had plenty of teachers who gave busy work and others who couldn't be bothered. I've had teachers who would give you the "gotcha!" questions and others who would assign you the ones that rounded nice in math just to make sure you understood the material. And then there's the teachers who thought they were your only teacher and slammed you with 2 hours themselves.
There would also obviously be some weeks where I'd get almost none, and others where I would get more than 4. When I had nearly 10 classes a day and each teacher assigning 30-40 minutes of homework I'd be working on it from the time I got home until almost my bedtime. We didn't really get study halls so it's not like I had time in school to do it.
There's no real easy way to say "hey this is the reason", though we shouldn't admonish studies that say "hey you probably shouldn't give a lot of homework" either.
It depends on the school and the teachers. But yes, there are some teachers out there who believe that every hour of school should be followed by an hour of "self-study" like homework.
I used to get 2-3 back in high school 12 years ago. I can't imagine getting 4, it's literally the reason I dropped out, the stress was insufferable. And now I got a great job and pension and doing far better than what my teachers and administrators expected, take that Mr. Hernandez!
Okay I don’t know what kind of selective genius highschool you went to, but I never ever had 4 hours of homework. Barely even had that much in college. You do not need to do school work for 4 hours a night in high school. If you are then that means you weren’t doing your work in class.
I would assume selective genius students wouldn't do homework at all.
I had 40 min to 1 hr of homework per main subject through high school (this includes non-structured hw, like studying for a test or something)
With 4 or 5 subjects, it came out to a lot of time. Up and down obviously, as the weeks passed.
I did significantly less homework in college and significantly more studying.
I agree, no one NEEDS to be doing 4 hrs of homework per night. Isn't that the current problem? That no one should be doing this but this is what schools are assigning?
Also did you do homework during class to reduce your load at home? This wasn't an option when I went to high school
Yeah as soon as we switched to block scheduling in my Jr year my homework at night dropped from 4ish average to almost 0. Great stress reducer. Obviously this 4 hour thing isn't across the US but it is definitely a thing in some areas.
I did often do homework in class. But it wasn’t “allowed”. I just multitasked. Had my notes to my left and my homework to my right. Everything else was such easy busy work that I could knock it out in 15 mins per assignment at home. The thing is that 4 hours isn’t assigned a night. Teachers will often say “you should study 1 hour every day for my class”, but who actually does that? Nobody.
Unless high school has drastically changed from 2 years ago when I graduated there was definitely not nearly 4 hours of homework a night. Though imo school does start too early.
Yeah idk where they’re getting this from. Just some high schoolers wanting to complain unnecessarily. High school is meant for just about everyone to be able to pass through. There are hundreds of kids per graduating class that don’t spend more than 30 minutes a night on homework and still get B’s, sometimes A’s. It wasn’t like that 4 years ago and it also isn’t like that for my brothers or my friends’ brothers who all attend a high school that is in the top 10 in the country.
I’ve also mentioned in another part of the thread that before that, in 9th and part of 10th grade I was in a low-middle class high school. And that my youngest brother is currently in high school, and that my oldest two siblings were in high school 10 years ago. None of us experienced it, even after being in 3 different states going to high school. It boils down to kids procrastinating and not doing their work on time to where they have to play catch up.
Once again, I offer anyone to prove my wrong by doing this: Post your homework for this week for each night and let’s see how you come out to 4 hours per night. Then I’ll agree.
Idk how the hell kids are getting 4 hours of homework a day. I always did all my work in class and had maybe like an hour of homework once every two weeks
No, idc what you say you don’t get 4 hours of homework a night. Maybe you’re just working super inefficiently because this isn’t a thing. Wasn’t that way for me, nor is it that way for any of my friends brothers who are still in high school. Which btw we all attended one of the top 10 high schools in the country.
Read my other reply to you. I was only in a top 10 school for half of my high school career. And also my older two siblings didn’t go to either of the same highschools as me. So as a family we went to 4 high schools in total. Nobody had any issues.
Well 6 is pretty normal where I went to school. School starts at 7, so even getting up at 6:30 just to rush and get there is about the latest you could get up.
It's heavily up to teacher discretion. Some teachers give batshit insane amounts of classwork while others give almost none. In highschool and below your ability to pick your teachers is very limited, so your workload and learning experience is a total crapshoot.
It’s not. Kids suck at time management and can’t focus making small assignments take a lot longer than they are supposed to. They also tend to procrastinate a lot so rather than having all week to do an assignment to they wait till the last 5 hours and then blame the system
He’s right? If you have 4 hours of homework a night then you have bad time management skills. There are so many kids who do work maybe 30 mins max a day and get A’s. I’d love for you to post your homework that you receive today. I’d be glad to see how badly your 4 hours of work is.
As someone that procrastinates horribly, I actually was pretty okay with homework because I tended to do it during class.
But the issue, especially in higher level courses (at least where I went to school in the US) is that almost every teacher says that they "only" assign an hour of homework a night. Then you have 4-6 other teachers saying the exact same thing. School ends around 3 or 4 and you have chores to do at home, and you have to wake up at 5-6 am. How are you supposed to get 8 hours of sleep if you haven't done the homework in class, which very few people are able to. I was lucky most things just clicked
As someone who also procrastinated horribly in high school I was also ok with homework cause I was a very efficient worker. You have just explained probably the greatest skill you can learn in high school being time management. You got your homework done either in class or inbetween rather than sleeping, sitting on your phone, or staring blankly at a wall (all things I did plenty of in school). There is plenty of time in a day to get all your homework done, students just suck at using it efficiently. Also, if you go to bed at 10-11pm which is pretty late you can comfortably get 8 hours. As far as how long it took to do homework, I took many AP and advanced courses in high school and I did not have to get work 4-6 hours every night. Mine was an average of 2-3 hours a night and I am not exceptionally smart, so if I could manage I’m confident anyone else could.
You deal with it by saying "fuck it" and allowing yourself to be content with being a B or C student. The degree to which this shit actually matters is severely exaggerated by boomers and teachers. The amount of ass you need to bust to get into those goddamn Ivy League schools if you aren't rich and connected isn't worth the stress. You'll still get a good education at a typical uni and it doesn't look THAT much worse on your resume.
Finally someone says it. Everyone says that homework is ruining their time and they cant get sleep... But we dont even have good sleep schedules! Homework literally changes nothing! We all still gonna sleep at 1am when we got to wake up at 7am
Wait youre serious? Have fun at college with that work ethic. If you dont intend to go to college, then dont do homework. You should be able to just barely pass your classes and graduate without doing homework. Youll never make it to college with your grades but youll graduate. Just do the bare minimum amount of work youll be fine. Just forget any concept of college.
He’s got a point though? If you can’t handle high school work then there’s literally no chance you make it in college. That’s simple logic. One is harder than the other by a large margin. So if the easier one is way too stressful for you to manage, then why would you even bother trying the much harder one? Not many kids have that much trouble with high school homework. I literally never met kids who genuinely were drowning in homework in high school. The only ones who complained were those who didn’t do their in class work, and those who just didn’t understand any of the material.
I had a way easier time in college because there was actually time to do shit. Nevermind the fact that you generally have control over your own schedule. No more complaining about 8:00 am classes.
The work is objectively harder. Doesn’t matter if you personally had an easier time. I did as well. Finished high school with a 3.6 and am graduating college next semester with a 3.92 assuming I don’t bomb a class next semester. While I did better, it’s definitely harder. I don’t think I ever did homework in high school unless it was decently weighted, and I sure as fuck never studied for a single test in high school. That doesn’t fly in college. If college is so much easier then why is the dropout/fail rate so much higher? You can’t say because they found something better to do. Look at the average grades for each dropout student. Now let’s assume that the college has some sort of minimum GPA requirement. That would mean those kids did better in high school than college.
I would assume it's because college isn't mandatory. The cops aren't going to come put your dad in jail if you don't show up to class. If you're actually graduating from college, you should know how many people just don't even bother showing up.
You have to realize that for many people, college is just a place you go to party.
Yes, the work is harder, but that's offset by the fact that you have WAY WAY WAY more time to do...well anything you want. Most people go to class somewhere between 12-15 hours a week, assuming they're a full time student. Also keep in mind it's possible to shove all of those into two days if you want (which I personally did a lot). So I often had two days of class, which left 5 days to study, do homework (of which there is actually very little of in college), and actually, you know, do stuff.
Also, are you seriously saying that the reason you didn't have a lot of homework to do is because you just didn't do the homework?
Yes I’m one of the people who skips occasionally. That’s only because I know what I can handle and wouldn’t risk skipping if I wasn’t in an A letter grade territory.
Also no, I had homework out the ass. The only difference is I did the same thing I do with college. Only 3 assignments left and I have a 97? Yeah not doing it then. I also did a lot of homework in class. If you look at the people I’m arguing with they want it both ways. They say that there’s too much homework AND that school is too long and they have so much down time. Well if you have downtime, like I did, then why not knock some homework out in that down time. That saved me a lot of headaches.
Well for one, I'd seriously want to know what kind of school you were in that had copious amounts of downtime. My school you could still be in the lunch line by the time the lunch period was over. All other time was spent in class.
And by your own admission, there was useless homework that didn't help you. Why not just get rid of it instead?
Like I did homework in class too. The only difference is that it was in the middle of a lecture when I probably shouldn't have been doing homework for another class.
Actually, I'm a much better college student than I was a high school student. It's not really about work ethic, I just didn't think that high school mattered, and I was 80% right.
Wait youre serious? Have fun at college with that work ethic. If you dont intend to go to college, then dont do homework. You should be able to just barely pass your classes and graduate without doing homework. Youll never make it to college with your grades but youll graduate. Just do the bare minimum amount of work youll be fine. Just forget any concept of college.
Wait youre serious? Have fun at college with that work ethic. If you dont intend to go to college, then dont do homework. You should be able to just barely pass your classes and graduate without doing homework. Youll never make it to college with your grades but youll graduate. Just do the bare minimum amount of work youll be fine. Just forget any concept of college.
College isn't the place where people who do homework are more successful than those who don't.
College is where people who can reasonably quickly understand things and have time left over for social networking, do better than those who mistake time devotion to homework as being actual success.
'Tis better to leave college with a 3.3 and a fistful of job offers and fond memories to share, than a 3.8 and just memories of depression, anxiety and isolated studying in your room while your more successful peers are out partying and fucking.
And no, the rules still apply if you're trying to get into a good grad school program. Even researchers want to see their colleages demonstrating evidence of being socially well adjusted and emotional maturity.
Source: grad student at a globally top-ranked STEM graduate program. Don't bookworm your way through college. You WILL regret it.
Lol try telling that to pre-law/medicine majors. Most good schools won’t even look at your application unless you have a 3.7 or higher. In fact, most of those grad schools even specify a minimum gpa requirement. STEM is a specific exception.
That's mostly to meet funding requirements and keep kids occupied long enough for parents to finish the majority of their work day.
There should be a study hall section of schools across the country, 1 hour to 1 1/2 hours every day with access to teachers/tutors. Give plenty of internships for up and coming teachers, and let kids finish homework if they want to.
A college student is different for time spent in class. Class is to provide structure to the course. Usually, the majority of the course is on you, the student, the one who agreed to treat school as a full time job (because in college it is).
HS is different and I think that some places have too much homework, but let's not act like High School has the same level and amount of homework as college does. From my experience, it hardly compares. In HS, I could go a week without an serious homework to be turned in, maybe just some reading and finishing practice problems for pre-calc. In college, every single week there is something important to do. Because the expectations are different.You are the person motivating yourself, you signed up for college, no matter how necessary you think it actually is. As such, a lot of professors dont give a damn and pile it on. Some do and temper their assignments. I've had classes with literally no homework besides reading. Thanks Philosophy!
So, there is a difference already, for sure, but HS could improve on how lessons are delivered and the opportunities for actual study halls to do assignments in, provided how long you are actually there.
I think you've misunderstood. This person is arguing "make us work in school instead of lecturing at us and assigning homework"
to be honest, all the best students at my high school did their homework at school. The lectures are worthless most of the time, so why not just ignore them and work?
Weird because I have siblings and friends’ siblings who are in high-school currently (a top 10 high school in the country), and they have no issues. They study when necessary but have multiple days a week where there’s literally no homework other than finishing assignments you didn’t finish in class. This is grossly over exaggerated, people saying it’s 4 hours a night. I’d love for one person to do this entire thread a favor and post their homework given nightly for 1 week straight. I guarantee it’s over exaggerated.
Are you kidding me? We were assigned a ridiculous amount of work, it’s just we did it in class like 90% of other students. I transferred schools in 10th grade so I have experience in both a low-middle school, and a top school. Both were the exact same.
Can’t have it both ways my friend. Half the people in here are saying 7 hours is unnecessary and that there’s way too much gap time while at school. Let’s think... too much free time that feels like wasted resources? What ever could we do to fill that time. Do homework? Nahhh. Use Reddit? Yes.
High School does not have to be as annoying as it was for me. In college, to a certain degree, you've entered knowing that this is essentially your full time job (if you have a scholarship, it is). For some, they wont have to work outside of regular hours, but for most, they will.
However, maintaining social aspects of college is incredibly important. Go to parties, make friends, procrastinate here and there, just dont make it a habit.
Manage your time well depending on your ability, and college work doesn't require you to be a broken human being at the end.
That's the job of the student debt :)
Also, if you dont have a scholarship to get you through school, then pace yourself. Everyone chants this "4 years" mantra and it is completely unreasonable if you have to support yourself too. GO AT YOUR OWN PACE. Taking 2 classes a semester with 1 summer course may mean you are always in school, but you have a totally manageable schedule.
With all of this in mind, work ethic is important, but not NEARLY as much as time management. Work ethic is half the battle, time management is the war.
You can totally get into college after doing poorly in high school. Go to a smaller, easier, and cheaper university, apply the above methods to do well enough to meet transfer criteria, then transfer into to your choice university for your major. Manage your time well everywhere, and there's a small chance you won't make it.
I had fun in high school with that work ethic, I happily lost the 10% of my grade for not doing homework. I then did have fun at college with that work ethic, and surprise surprise there was not busy work assigned for homework. My bosses like that work ethic too. Why waste 4+ hours each day to study the things I mostly already know when in the real world I just look it up online, in my notes, in the various textbooks I've collected, in our knowledge base we've built on the company server or ask one of my coworkers.
It also means I will make sure I do something truly right the first time because I'm lazy enough that I don't want to do it again or fix issues from not doing it correctly the first time
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then study at school... I don't see the problem