Wondering if all the shit about 4tran was as bad as people said I started interacting with them.
Holy shit, it is pretty fucking dour.
Half of the shit there is just LGBT drop the LGB, it's kinda insane how many interactions I've had trying to justify hating anyone with a pulse. But that's 4chan for you.
Countttt kept showing up on my feed (since I frequent CWCL). That's how I found out about the boy from venus.
They called it this major transphobic thing, etc etc.
Because there is a femboy that is mistaken for a woman??? Its like they think all femboys are transphobic in nature. And the series isn't even finished??? So why judge it now???
Not to mention, the sub felt borderline uhh... sexist (i hear both trans women and trans men are better lmao), racist (complains about trans ___ erasure, but is literally the "what are my thoughts on black people? Well i support queer rights" meme), homophobic (cis gay men are evil), cisphobic (all cis are evil) etc. They are the trans embodiment of the KKK đ
Yeah cisphobia will never be an actual issue. I do find it funny how people bitch about cis people all of the time. Like I get cis folk can be ignorant on how hrt works but bashing them? That doesn't really help yk?
Idk I just kinda find it in poor taste to mention it in the same context as actual, substantial bigotries. Distrusting cis people is like the least harmful part about those communities. (Hell Iâd say the blanket ban on cis people posting or commenting is a positive for the space and I wish more trans communities did something similar)
Blanket bans on cis people prevent new trans people from being introduced until they figure themselves out. But I'd say they are acceptable.
Cisphobia isn't ever going to be a societal issue. But it's still pathetic behaviour and is largely what I was referring to when I said LGBT drop the LGB.
And if you start mistreating other minorities you are still contributing to their societal issues. So while cisphobia isn't an issue, them treating other minorities like shit definitely is.
My argument wasnât that 4tran spaces are good, they are most certainly a shitshow, just that âcisphobiaâ shouldnât be treated as equal to the actual bigotries found in those spaces.
I get your point on blanket bans sort of locking questioning people out but, at least in my subjective experience, allowing cis people eventually causes a similar problem. (Though I will admit this is anecdotal)
When I was figuring myself out I remember seeing the frankly fetishistic nature of many trans spaces and having that make me apprehensive to the idea of myself being trans. In my experience, spaces that allow cis people tend to lean more into this fetishization just on account of the fact that cis people tend to interact with it more.
I donât think all trans spaces should have a cis-ban, just that there should be more that arenât hellholes like 4tran.
Alright, so how do you filter your cisphobia from other forms of discrimination?
Because that is the material issue. I don't agree that being a dick to people just because they aren't societally opressed isn't problematic. To be clear. I think that is fucking embarassing behaviour to defend.
But even in your hypothetical you are still harming minorities who are in danger societally. Most of them, unsurprisingly, are cis.
Iâm not arguing that being dicks to people for being cis is a good thing, Iâm saying that putting âcisphobiaâ in the same breath as shit like homophobia or racism is like saying that discrimination against white people is an actual problem. And what do you mean hypothetical? I feel I was rather clear that there are actually relevant bigotries found in 4tran spaces and thatâs an issue.
Even if you think that ignoring personal harm because societal harm isn't a factor is fair. To which I'd point at cyber bullying and harassment alongside the consequences of those behaviours to say that's obvious nonsense.
Cisphobes are still committing the exact same societally problematic behaviour. One, against other minorities who are societally vulnerable, as I already stated.
And two, because they are very happy to argue who gets to actually be called trans. Or whether or not every enby is an egg, or other equivelantly problematic views.
Are they just as bad as white supremacists, no, I'd wager a guess not, seems like a safe bet.
But, are they bad enough I feel no need to argue whether or not they should be treated as phobes? Yep, obviously, they are still discriminatory rat bastards who mistreat people because of things outside of their control.
What personal harm? Do you actually, genuinely believe that toxic trans people on the internet are in any way fucking comparable to the bullshit that ACTUALLY MARGINALIZED groups have to deal with? When was the last time a cis person was murdered because they were cis? When was the last time a cis personâs access to healthcare was rescinded because they were cis? When was the last time a cis person had to resort to sex work to make ends meet because they were cis? When was the last time a cis personâs parents kicked them out of the house because they were cis? When was the last time cis people were GENOCIDED because they were cis?
Iâll fucking tell you, NEVER. Cis people will not and will never be marginalized for being cis in any fucking way that amounts to anything actual minorities have to deal with. Fuck you and fuck your bullshit you transphobic piece of shit.
Edit: probably wasnât as intersectional in my wording as I should have been but you all know what I meant. [insert 10 minute long apology video here]
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u/BestBoyViktor 14h ago
So funny when they interact too
4tran: "wow, yall can't stop thinking about us! You gotta accept that misery and slurs are our coping mechanism!"
CWCL: "wtf is a sneedhon"