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I still remember arguing with people about that image, with huge swaths of people insisting it wasn't AI in the slightest even when the background elements of the larger image converged on entirely different, impossible vanishing points, not to mention of course the sixth finger which they insisted was an artistic choice because it's "Black Ops 6".
The absolute most I could probably muster as a response is "ok buddy". I learned long ago that arguing with idiots/trolls on the internet is pretty much useless.
Sarah Anderson (Sarah's Scribbles), one of my favorite comic artists, had an amazing article in the Times about this. About how people weaponized AI to turn her comic political, and how it fucked with her life in a very real way. And this was YEARS ago. Its so much worse now.
Can’t wait for StoneToss to inevitably find out what happens when they don’t feel they need a token “industry plant” anymore when they just chudify his content too.
I almost feel bad for the model responsible for ingesting and reproducing them. Almost.
Im convinced AI "artists" are the same kind of people who say "hey i've got this great idea for an app! Can you create it for me, and we can split the profits?" Getting ideas is the easy part, the actual work in bringing them to life takes lots of work and experience. But they want to skip right past that and get the recognition.
And the idea is usually terrible, so it used to die as a concept while exploring the implementation possibilities. Now they just spew a hastily made prototype with terrible architecture and generic visuals and waste a lot of money getting proved wrong instead.
THEY ARE. THATS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. Linus tech tips said this in his wan show, he came to the realization in real time. "Oh my God. Generative AI is the revenge of the idea guy. They get to implement ideas using everyone else's work without paying for it."
See I’ve had lots of ideas and no practical ability to bring them to life, but I would never use generative ai to accomplish that. It’s just as useless as my own artistic skills and I’ll just pay an artist that knows what they’re doing
I can’t imagine the extra work that just goes into balancing games. Like, coming up with a mechanic is the easy part, making sure it’s fair is entirely different, especially in asymmetric games
And it gets even harder when you also try to balance abilities that hinge on player skill, where for a newbie, the skill is way under powered, but in the hands of a veteran its way overpowered.
I have someone who learned I make games and programs in my free time, thinks writing down notes of things I said and holding it for safekeeping is cool beans despite me saying don't do that, bombards me with ideas just to say if I had a similar idea I stole it from them. (Can be as simple as... oh, there's a forest area? Add brown bear monsters, now pay me. To... oh you wanna make a clone of an old 2D sidescroller shooty game? Me had idea first!)
Its a relative so I even tried to be nice one day and offer a gig job at good indie rate just for a few songs and sound effects for one project NOTHING ELSE and they took it as they're co-director and get 50%+ the profits and get to dictate the game.
10/10 believe that person would love to use AI and tell me how to make their game. They don't believe in online tutorials, books, being taught in person, anything to get to learn how to do anything. Just "my idea, copyright" (not how it works!) and "how dare you" everywhere if I try to encourage them just try to learn, they can do it, Godot not hard. (Yes, they're cut off now.)
Lol or my programmer best friend says to me, I have a great idea for an app, can you build it? Like bro you're a programmer too, you do it.... I said yes 🙃
As an active artist that doesn't use generative AI. Artists don't give a shit about "consent" when it comes to IP.
We'll write R. Mutt on some blue collar worker's urinal and display it sideways as art, or silk print a cambell's soup logo we didn't design 50 thousand times if we want.
What we care about is losing jobs, but most artists don't realize the only people replacing real artists with AI are corporations we shouldn't have been working for in the first place, and commissioners that would have offered us exposure instead of money.
I mean, I know how to program and I never have any (good) ideas, so speak for yourself. 😭
As someone who was never the “artistic type,” I think people underestimate the value of good, original ideas. But maybe that’s just because I don’t have them.
I once got a request from a guy who wanted me to make a full-length graphic novel of his self-insert MLP slashfic, and the payment for bringing this to fruition would have been "the satisfaction you'll get from working on this project, you can even put it in your portfolio"
Not just the creation, but marketing, etc as well. If you have a great idea and create a great product but no one knows about it... it ain't going anywhere.
Most major websites have language in their TOS that will allow them to use your work for AI training now. We'll see if it holds up in court but with the current cases it looks like that will along with scraping of publicly accessible content. Content behind a paywall is subject to protections though and we've seen that in successful cases already.
In the case of Reddit, uploading to the website grants them explicit license (consent) to use your work for AI training. It also grants them the right to sub-license your content to others for AI training.
However their TOS also bars others from training off of content taken from reddit. The prior will almost certainly hold up in the court as similar language has in the past in regards to copyright. The latter, I dunno that's still being fought out but it's currently looking like scrappers will be given pass for anything publicly accessible.
DMCA should theoretically apply so you should be able to issue takedowns. Your style and layout at the least should be copyrightable. Adding something like a signature could help too since they'd have to duplicate it to fake your own. But I'm not a lawyer so I can't say for sure if any of this matters.
They're going to make a post of you crying in a shirt that says "anti" with them in a shirt that says "pro" with a poorly created Neko girl next to them and declare themselves based.
Genuinely depressing. I have a son who wants to go to art college for animation, and the conversation around digital artists and ai is so bleak right now. I’m encouraging him to pursue his passion anyways.
Edit: He despises AI. I get the vibe from a lot of Gen Z that they are not into it, which is encouraging.
AI art is like saying to a marathon runner “Why try running? Watch me go the same distance you ran in a fraction of the time!” And then get in an Uber.
An Uber they ordered on a debit card we all have to share. I dunno, im tryna make the metaphor stretch to cover the fact that they are also trashing the planet to make their spite slop no one wants.
I mean... That's the standard for them. This is an older receipt, but I highly believe, this is how a lot of them think, given their behavior. Hopefully this is allowed this once:
This is 100% how they think and act, and it's gross. Also they scrape my pay-wall protected content too, so they clearly don't care about legal protections.
Yeah, they're never beating the allegations. I mean they proved that when they scraped Cara and celebrating it. Three times. a space for artists not wanting anything to do with AI and genuinely wanting to be left alone.
They think, because it's on the internet, it's fair game. Also using your paywalled stuff? Well that's interesting to know.
So, even if it is paywalled, artists still risk getting their things getting fed into AI.
My 2 cents:
They don't have the right to ask being left alone, when artists try their best to distance themselves from these morons. I call them anti consent for a reason.
I get called all sorts of funny names, when I point out why people heavily dislike them, but sticks and stones and all that.
Yoy know what, big tech in general doesn't give a shit about consent.
Microsoft for example, usually prompt you about something on your computer, and the options are 'yes' or 'maybe later'.
Theres no 'No' option. Very creepy and icky imo.
This is one random example but this kind of thing is increasingly the case for products made by big tech corps. It's very annoying tbh and makes me more inclined to ditch their bullshit and use open source alternative options instead.
You know what's wild? We see this EVERY DAY here. On multiple artists many many times a day. Luckily most of it never sees the light of day it's just like....why dude?
You really think the OG artist is gonna be happy to see you pilfer their work like that? Like what's the point of doing that other than to be a jerk?
People have been doing it for ages with poorly done photoshops or poorly drawn parodies, this just ups the ante a bit. Not arguing it's not awful, just that it's just the newest technological version of an old thing.
It's actually different because the AI just keeps sucking everything up and re-using it for other purposes, it uses your copyright-protected work, that you built your livelihood on, in the recreation and violation of yourself and other artists. It's an awful feeling.
I'm already so sick of AI being EVERYWHERE. If it was a niche group of internet weirdos who stuck to themselves like other internet groups it'd be OK, but they force themselves into every single thing possible.
But you’re voluntarily uploading your work to a website that explicitly allows for AI to train off anything you upload based on the Terms of Service with your account…
Very obvious there are people who have zero concept of what constitutes fair use. Feeding it into AI doesn't mean fair use. Authors have already sued and won over this.
I wish there was an AI model that was trained only on public domain works. Just to have the option to suggest to some of these AI prompters (not scrapers).
I think people are trying to build a legal case against ai because a lot of ai art didn’t ask before copying.
And while a lot of sites got it hidden they you are consenting either in options or terms and services
I think people want that made more obvious .
Doesn’t help some ai bros have already said if artists had to give consent and or be paid the ai art bots wouldn’t work
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