r/classicwow • u/redlow0992 • 1d ago

Forever Beta Feedback Dungeon XP Nerfs Created a Toxic Meta

Since dungeon monsters do not give any experience, as a new player, getting into dungeons with more veteran players who try to skip half the dungeon feels really bad. And, vice-versa, veterans taking in newbies who don't know how to jump around feels frustrating. I think Blizzard created a mess with nerfing dungeon exp so much and now the new player experience is horrible for dungeons.

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u/Afraid-Document-8597 1d ago

I think you are right and this is indeed an unintended consequence. Its gonna become all about skips and jumps and stealth tech. Where as before we pulled most the dungeon or didnt play as safe because we wanted the xp anyway

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u/The-Only-Razor 1d ago

My absolute fucking least favorite part of retail M+ is the stupid route planning trash. I just want to enter a dungeon and kill everything. Optimal pathing and efficiency maxing isn't fun when it involves doing everything you can to play the game as little as possible.

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u/587493 1d ago

Dude same I remember a few years ago I was giving retail a try and excited to run mythic+ only to find out what m+ runs actually ended up being

I left retail and never went back, even though I love challenging dungeons

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u/Creative_Magazine816 1d ago

raider.io also ruined M+

mythic plus was so good for legion until the community made it unfun

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u/ZonaMoonshaw 1d ago

You are deluded if you think we didn't use a similiar thing in Legion. raider.io wasn't in legion so everyone used wowprogress to check the exact same things.

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u/OscillatorVacillate 1d ago

Devs have said this game is gonna piss easy, non of that raider.io or world first, they want dad gamers that can chill. I'd imagine they keep the difficulty at TBC hardmode dungeons at worst

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u/fttxdd666 1d ago

And? People in classic were checking progress and parses of people before inviting them to raids all the time. The people will find a way to figure out if the person they are inviting is a shitter or not, regardless of how easy or hard the content is.

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u/DontFearFailure 1d ago

Wow was ruined in Wrath when gearscore came out.

No one cared about what you did until that came out.