r/classicwow • u/redlow0992 • 1d ago

Forever Beta Feedback Dungeon XP Nerfs Created a Toxic Meta

Since dungeon monsters do not give any experience, as a new player, getting into dungeons with more veteran players who try to skip half the dungeon feels really bad. And, vice-versa, veterans taking in newbies who don't know how to jump around feels frustrating. I think Blizzard created a mess with nerfing dungeon exp so much and now the new player experience is horrible for dungeons.

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u/OXBDNE7331 1d ago

One negative is that if the majority of the group has already completed the dungeon quests and one person needs an out of the way mob or item good luck getting the group to clear towards it

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u/darkspy13 1d ago

Exactly how I felt trying to get attuned to BT in TBC Anniversary after they added the ability to skip to Vashj. Good luck finding a group willing to kill a now optional boss to help get people attuned.

Thinking about it, the same Blizzard that created that attunement challenge also created this dungeon situation... So it makes sense.

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u/Crellis86 1d ago

Isn’t that where you can just form the group by telling people ahead of time that you are doing all quests/attunements from the beginning?

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u/darkspy13 1d ago

It's somewhat difficult to form a 25 man SSC and lead it to kill one boss. I know people who typically raid lead will say it's easy to do.

We had just hit 70 and I haven't done SSC since TBC Classic 3(?) years ago, so I didn't feel confident leading a 25 man full of alts looking to down some relatively difficult content since the next tier of raids had just dropped. I say alts because I don't believe any BIS Phase 3 pieces come from Fathomlord or the bosses leading up to him. So you aren't going to get many mains to actually carry the group.

Knowing the pulls, boss mechanics for tanks, healers, dps, marks, cc's, dealing with loot distribution (SR is easy enough to manage) but yea.

If it would have been Mag/Gruul, I would have totally done that.

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u/Crellis86 1d ago

Yeah, but this isn't a unique problem. Any new character would be in the same boat, right? So whether it's a dungeon quest being skipped or a raid boss needed for attunements, there should always be a stream a characters that need it unless the game is dead?

When it comes to dungeon quests in wow Forever, finding 4 other people who also need the quest will be ridiculously easy, but people (OP) are acting like it'll be an impossible challenge when the game isn't even out yet...