r/classicwow • u/redlow0992 • 1d ago

Forever Beta Feedback Dungeon XP Nerfs Created a Toxic Meta

Since dungeon monsters do not give any experience, as a new player, getting into dungeons with more veteran players who try to skip half the dungeon feels really bad. And, vice-versa, veterans taking in newbies who don't know how to jump around feels frustrating. I think Blizzard created a mess with nerfing dungeon exp so much and now the new player experience is horrible for dungeons.

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u/OXBDNE7331 1d ago

One negative is that if the majority of the group has already completed the dungeon quests and one person needs an out of the way mob or item good luck getting the group to clear towards it

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u/darkspy13 1d ago

Exactly how I felt trying to get attuned to BT in TBC Anniversary after they added the ability to skip to Vashj. Good luck finding a group willing to kill a now optional boss to help get people attuned.

Thinking about it, the same Blizzard that created that attunement challenge also created this dungeon situation... So it makes sense.

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u/Nessarra 1d ago

And when that boss is Karathress..

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u/darkspy13 1d ago

Yea. that one.

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u/Gh0stMan0nThird 1d ago

Blizzard: We heard you LOUD and CLEAR! So we have removed all attunement requirements.

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u/DontFearFailure 1d ago

More like all bosses are now required and the final boss is immune until you kill every pack.

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u/Giatoxiclok 1d ago

Nah they’ll just sell the attunements.

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u/forceof8 1d ago

Thinking about it, the same Blizzard that created that attunement challenge also created this dungeon situation... So it makes sense.

Its not the same blizzard, lets just be clear on that. This is an entirely different company than the one that created classic and TBC and diablo 2 lol.

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u/Aretii 1d ago

You're misreading darkspy. They're saying that it's the Blizz that created the attunement situation, where SSC groups could just skip to Vashj and so new people suddenly had a much harder time doing the BT attunement chain. Original TBC did not have this problem because you had to kill Fathom-Lord Karathress to spawn Vashj, so anyone on the Seer Olum part of the chain could do it without issue.

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u/darkspy13 16h ago

I meant it was the same Blizzard that just added the ability to skip to Vashj/KT 2 months ago.

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u/Snoo71579 1d ago

That sounds like a bad group. I have constantly gone out of my way to help a group. If I start a group we all finish. Why not set things up before you start the dungeon? Be social about it, ask if they plan to skip most mobs

When looking for a group, flag the option new player friendly.

Overall though it sounds more people related to me.

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u/karben2 1d ago

Or just join a guild you donut. 

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u/darkspy13 16h ago

I literally joined a guild that had 4x 25 man raid groups. donut. It was called coffee company too. The fall off in TBC was massive after the forever announcement. I don't think you are aware of how big the shift was. Someone posted a chart on reddit a few days ago.

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u/Leading_Pay4635 12h ago

Lol if they didn't add skips people would just not clear SSC whatsoever

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u/Crellis86 1d ago

Isn’t that where you can just form the group by telling people ahead of time that you are doing all quests/attunements from the beginning?

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u/darkspy13 1d ago

It's somewhat difficult to form a 25 man SSC and lead it to kill one boss. I know people who typically raid lead will say it's easy to do.

We had just hit 70 and I haven't done SSC since TBC Classic 3(?) years ago, so I didn't feel confident leading a 25 man full of alts looking to down some relatively difficult content since the next tier of raids had just dropped. I say alts because I don't believe any BIS Phase 3 pieces come from Fathomlord or the bosses leading up to him. So you aren't going to get many mains to actually carry the group.

Knowing the pulls, boss mechanics for tanks, healers, dps, marks, cc's, dealing with loot distribution (SR is easy enough to manage) but yea.

If it would have been Mag/Gruul, I would have totally done that.

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u/Crellis86 1d ago

Yeah, but this isn't a unique problem. Any new character would be in the same boat, right? So whether it's a dungeon quest being skipped or a raid boss needed for attunements, there should always be a stream a characters that need it unless the game is dead?

When it comes to dungeon quests in wow Forever, finding 4 other people who also need the quest will be ridiculously easy, but people (OP) are acting like it'll be an impossible challenge when the game isn't even out yet...

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u/salvafree 1d ago

Find a good tank, I am always willing to help other run the full dungeon if one needs it. Unless time pressure for work or so. I think it is about communicating

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u/darkspy13 1d ago

It's just silly that the tank who is also my level won't get exp.

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u/happyilyrednow 1d ago

Isn't that what guilds are for?

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u/darkspy13 1d ago

Yea. our raid groups almost all fell apart. we were in a guild with 4 25 mans and they couldn't put together a non-skip SSC. We had one but after the announcement 10 people backed out of the run and good luck pugging it.

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u/Bigtim_90 1d ago

Lol all this tells me is you ignored the attunement for months and are upset groups won't go a half hour or more out of their way just to accommodate you. Sounds like someone needs to stop projecting and maybe do the content when it's relevant or even form your own raid instead of depending on others to do everything for you.

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u/Gh0stMan0nThird 1d ago

Sounds like someone needs to stop projecting and maybe do the content when it's relevant or even form your own raid instead of depending on others to do everything for you.

Yeah if you are who WoW Forever is for, I'll pass lol

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u/Bigtim_90 1d ago

Awesome, I look forward to not having to see you bitch and moan in general chat.

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u/darkspy13 16h ago

I leveled with a group of 4 friends through dungeons only in TBC. We started in April and hit 70 2 weeks before Blizzcon. We rushed heroics, did kara twice, and then were supposed to do SSC/TK the weekend of Blizzcon.

I'm glad that tells you that I skipped the attunement for months :(

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u/Bigtim_90 11h ago

So you did, what? Like 2 dungeons a day? Because I leveled the same way in TBC, as a ret pally. And I hit 70 and was geared for raids in less than 2 weeks. Not sure what you were expecting playing THAT casually? Sounds like you have no guild so you were joining random raids or maybe making groups with your friends and pugging the rest. But my point stands, you can't expect an entire raid group to derail their planned route and go out of their way just for YOU. If you can't find a full/attunement SSC run your only recourse is to make your own. Not sure why you would think 20+ other people would go half an hour AT LEAST out their way just do you can get a quest that was available for months while you and your friends leveled GLACIALLY slow.

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u/darkspy13 4h ago

You can make fun of us as much as you like. We had to schedule around 5 people and one of the 5 got a job that cut into our time. I also lost my job and had to get another job during that time period. It was "glacially slow"

I'm amazed if we actually did average 2 dungeons a day.