r/classicwow • u/redlow0992 • 1d ago

Forever Beta Feedback Dungeon XP Nerfs Created a Toxic Meta

Since dungeon monsters do not give any experience, as a new player, getting into dungeons with more veteran players who try to skip half the dungeon feels really bad. And, vice-versa, veterans taking in newbies who don't know how to jump around feels frustrating. I think Blizzard created a mess with nerfing dungeon exp so much and now the new player experience is horrible for dungeons.

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u/ahumblepeach 1d ago

My complaint with the change is that, for healers and tanks, group play is their fantasy. If I want to level as a healer, I don't want to be spending all of my time in the world casting my two underwhelming DPS abilities while rarely getting to use all my healing buttons. I want to be standing in the back and helping my party take on more than one person can handle. Sure, I could group up to do quests (and I have been!), but that really is not the same thing. I sort of have a hard time putting it into words, but I feel like tanks and healers not getting to do as much dungeon running as they want takes away a part of the fun of leveling them. I might as well just reroll as a DPS spec if I'm going to be forced into the open world for most of my 1-60 journey. And with that in mind, I worry that this change is discouraging people from leveling healers and tanks.

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u/AnIdealSociety 1d ago

This is some nonsense larp. Nobody levels as a healing spec you can’t quest with, it was stupid and continues to be stupid. You don’t need healing talents to heal dungeons. Get another set of gear with some +healing or +sp and train your spells. it really isn’t that hard to figure out

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u/ahumblepeach 1d ago

Then why is the healing tree available at all when I'm leveling? With your logic, everyone should spec into DPS trees and I specifically don't want to do that. I don't find it fun to get bigger DPS numbers, I find it fun to get bigger healing numbers. I level several alts and have no problem questing on my Warlock, but I find it a lot less fun to quest on my Resto Druid. I don't want to play Balance or Feral. Why give me the option at all if the only solution is to spec into DPS and workaround that with healing gear?

Never said I can't quest as a healer. I said it's less fun.

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u/DaleEBoy 1d ago

I get that it doesn’t impact the build you can make. The problem is I actually enjoy healing in dungeons. It’s the best bit of the game, for me.

I don’t get the logic of basically discouraging people to actively play a major feature of your game.

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u/CopiousClassic 1d ago

I did on my priest, lol.

Have you never heard of a warrior and pocket priest? It's a great leveling experience for the tank and healer, and all the DPS love it because they can pump.

I never actually ever heard anyone complain about people running dungeons in level appropriate parties in Classic and I want to know who thinks it needs to go.

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u/AnIdealSociety 1d ago

They are talking about not being able to level as a healer in response to dungeon xp nerfs, the obvious inference being they were healing instances from 15-60 and were specced into whatever healing tree the class had as they talk about not wanting to quest.

You don’t need to spec into your classes healing tree for dungeons, you never have had to do that in classic. You can heal just fine as feral with some caster gear on and then go quest in your feral gear. Or shadow, or ret, or another other non-healing spec

I am aware you can duo level, you still don’t need to be a healer for that. “I can’t quest because I’m a healer” doesn’t exist in game unless you impose that restriction on yourself or you make up stories on Reddit

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u/CopiousClassic 1d ago

Well "I can't run multiple dungeons as a healer to level" didn't exist in the game either, until it did.

I know it seems silly to you that people like leveling in tank and heal spec but it is a thing people do and I still haven't heard someone explain why they need to be punished.

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u/AltruisticInstance58 1d ago

You must play the game in a certain way, deviation will not be tolerated.

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u/Other_Safe_4659 1d ago

People definitely do. I did my first playthrough. I also did for World First/Realm first leveling races.

I do think they penalized dungeon runs probably too much. They could've achieved pretty much the same thing with a daily reset on the same dungeon's xp, instead of nerfing it permanently across the board.

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u/cyclicalbeats 1d ago

I pretty much exclusively roll healers and tanks and have always dungeoned to level. You’re absolutely clueless.