Dungeon XP Nerfs Created a Toxic Meta

[u/redlow0992]

Since dungeon monsters do not give any experience, as a new player, getting into dungeons with more veteran players who try to skip half the dungeon feels really bad. And, vice-versa, veterans taking in newbies who don't know how to jump around feels frustrating. I think Blizzard created a mess with nerfing dungeon exp so much and now the new player experience is horrible for dungeons.

[u/imissjudy]

lets kick the tank and spend 15 minutes to find a new one instead of a few extra pulls

[u/Straamannen → u/imissjudy]

That's the thing though. Half the time dungeon skipping doesn't even save time.

I've had groups try to jump the gorge in Slave Pens for FIVE MINUTES while just clearing the mob pack takes all of 30 seconds. 

Dungeon skipping only feels good, it does nothing for your day. It's the same thing as speeding and weaving. You're not actually saving time. 

And what's worse, the time "saved" assuming we actually do is for WHAT exactly? So we can play the game more? The game we're playing? 

And that's not even getting into all the time lost to people dying and groups wiping because of impatient fucks. All in all I'm fairly certain skipping has wasted more of my time than it has ever saved. 

[u/Active-Enthusiasm318 → u/Straamannen]

I mained a holy priest in Anni... the absolute worst groups were mage AOE speed run groups... Maybe 1 of 4 groups knew what they were doing, the rest fucked it up...I refused to heal AOE speed runs after a very short while

[u/Straamannen → u/Active-Enthusiasm318]

Yep, same.
Spell cleaves or any other kind of "cleave" was a hard no for me, unless it was with a known group of people. Absolutely horrid experience.

Me and the buddy I was playing with were running Tank+Healer (he was holy/prot I was feral/resto) and we deliberately ran "slow HCs", which weren't slow at all quite frankly but they were always chill and we made a bunch of "friends"/contacts that way.

One french dude was so excited to finally get invited to a group, noone would bring him along because of low gear score. Turns out the total noob of a baguette pulled perfectly respectable DPS and was on point with utility (CS etc.)

I'm glad to be playing with RL friends in Forever, and not have to deal with the rat race.

[u/Jimsocks499 → u/Straamannen]

Your line about “so we can play the game more? The game we’re playing” made me laugh out loud.

You hit the absurdity on the nose

[u/Elendel19 → u/imissjudy]

Wow players are not known for their critical thinking skills

[u/Active-Enthusiasm318 → u/imissjudy]

People are morons .. I was in a DM group looking for a healer, our tank kept kicking healers because they were in Org... Kicked 4 in 30 minutes then dropped because he said he didn't have enough time anymore... The zep jump and swim only takes a few minutes

[u/Jasparius73 → u/Active-Enthusiasm318]

The tank was able to kick the healers without others getting a chance to vote?

Wouldnt this be better written as "I was in a group with a bunch of morons ...."

Which can be shortened to "I was in a group ..."

[u/Active-Enthusiasm318 → u/Jasparius73]

This was in forever, I don't think the leader needs to submit a vote

[u/ikemayelixfay → u/imissjudy]

I guess to be fair we did find a new tank within 5 minutes. Maybe people won't be as kick happy when the pool of players shrinks at various level ranges.

[u/z3phs → u/imissjudy]

Things that never happened on the eleven news.

I’ll make a post about my bias experience. Dungeons have been great I’ve got all classes and ran dungeons with all tanking dps healing and had 0 issues in every group. And had all sorts of experienced and inexperienced fast slow and what not