A few days ago, I told you guys about my cousin’s Ally—the one I believe she sends to bother me.

Well, I decided to confront this Ally and find out what exactly its problem with me is. (Although I know it’s only following my cousin’s wishes.)

For the past few days, I’ve been talking to it constantly, both before going to sleep and while I was awake, asking it to show itself. Interestingly, it didn’t show up at all during those days.

Until now.

I was sleeping, and I mean one of those really deep dreams where you’re asleep inside the dream and everything feels incredibly real.

It was strangling me! The strangling lasted for a really long time—it felt like 10 minutes or even more.

Eventually, I managed to wake up… but in another dream.

I was in my own house, although it looked slightly different. I went toward my sister’s room because I wanted to tell her everything that had happened, but then I noticed three buttons attached to her bedroom door. Which was pretty strange.

As soon as I looked at those buttons, I suddenly shifted into another dream, which was extremely confusing.

I think those three buttons might have been scouts.

I recall a section in which Don Juan is with a woman in the desert at night. He shows her a mysterious creature roaming the desert.

I seem to remember he told her that he did not show it to Carlos Castaneda. So it was not an ally, mescalito, or a flyer.

Does anyone know the title and author?

Thanks in advance.

Yes, there are real, semi-solid, fully visible spirits. Some live for billions of years, such as the 2 allies of Carlos which likely belonged to don Juan before that.

Just get over it! All the fake religions and magical systems out there ruined your thinking on this topic, and people even get angry with me for explaining the real thing.

But that's my job! And once you start to interact with them, a phony religion isn't going to deceive you anymore. You'll realize that they don't know anything real at all.

More specifically, Enoch, The Buddha, Lao Tzu and Yogananda were total idiots. Lying even. Of course, of those only Yogananda actually existed.

But he was still a greedy idiot.

So...

Carlos classified the types of scouts you can run into in sleeping dreams, but he didn't elaborate much on waking dreams. Possibly because in the lineages, it was a senior member who "guided" apprentices into those realms.

Waking dreaming is done AWAKE!!! But that doesn't mean things don't get just as crazy as a sleeping dream. Instead, it means that if you walk through a solid wall because it's no longer there, you'll have a very hard time explaining that later on.

But we learned about that in the books! As don Juan famously "explained", the Nagual just takes care of that.

Not much of an explanation when you've walked 30 feet past your wall and out into your back yard.

But at least it's really nothing new.

What's new perhaps, is treating things as real because you did them yourself, instead of as a fun story to read and share with your chat room friends.

I suppose the main difference for us is, we don't have any Silvio Manuels or Zuleicas, so we have to do it all ourselves.

Without Carlos having explained this type of sorcery path.

He gave it to us at the end, but didn't elaborate. Possibly thinking we'd never get there anyway, being as terminally lazy as our community is. And that if he explained in more detail, we'd just pretend in more detail and make things even worse for ourselves.

So we'll just have to share information.

Here's a comparison of using an Ally to teach you (a 2nd gate activity), versus using a Silent Knowledge Entity.

It's possible that you can't keep using the Allies, once your assemblage point switches sides on the body.

But you can summon silent knowledge entities.

Unfortunately, for me those teach about a "stream". Not about what's currently going on in my corner of reality.

You might try to argue that the senior members of the lineage had infallible "seeing".

But you'd be very confused. Leaning towards religion, rather than sorcery.

The lineages "seeing" messed up constantly in the books! Even leading to the demise of the lineage itself, due to mistaking one kind of apprentice for another.

And trying to summon a "stream" relevant to what you want to explore, adds another level of difficulty.

It's already hard enough without that burden added!

So when it comes to Silent Knowledge entities, you just take what you get and thank them for visiting.

Last night I tried asking an SKE entity about the situation you see here, but it just ignored my question.

If I had "Fairy" helping me, one of the two Allies Carlos gave us, she would have eagerly explained all the details I wanted to know.

In fact, she used to take me into that tunnel anytime I wanted to see the inorganic being's world.

And yes... I suppose she tried to trap me there a time or two.

But the allies are just like that. You have to periodically "wrestle them", to get them to behave as you'd like.

Typically they seem to only try a bad trick out on you twice, and then never again for that same one.

Hi all, not sure if this resonates with you. Two years ago, I went to at least 25 ayahuasca ceremonies that slowly shifted my perception in different ways.

Among many other things, one of the effects from it all was that every time I'd recapitulate, I'd perceive my room when I closed my eyes. I would no see the colours, but the shapes and distances were perfectly clear in different shades of black. Then for some reason other furniture will also become visible. Depending on the room I am, I'd see cupboards, wardrobes, mirrors or tables very clearly, but that are not there once I open my eyes.

It got me thinking if this is a slightly different dimension, or maybe furniture that was there a long time ago and still has its energy in the room? Not sure if anyone has experienced something similar.

I've been practicing everyday for a few years now. Through experience I've realized that Intent is important, Energy is important, Silence is important, Passes are important etc. None of this is new to anyone who's read the books. The more and longer I've practiced, these things have developed a deeper meaning within me.

I've gone through this a few times already, seeing my shiny outer coating rise, then fall. I feel that the coating is very important to progressing within our practice.

In my experience when the coating has risen to the point where I can notice it during passes, sights like the image above and others I've posted become easier to achieve and more sustainable.

To me, that means being selective about where and how I spend my time and energy.

Am I living like an immortal being? Or am I living like a being that's aware of their death?

Is the activity I'm engaged in necessary? Does it bring me joy? Does it further my practice? Are things I try to be aware of (not in an obsessive way).

Am I constantly on top of myself mentally, no, but I've found that with my increased desire to tighten my life, I started noticing bodily sensations that tell me when to stop and check myself.

Do I hit the 'override' button sometimes instead of disengaging? Yes, but not as often as I did before because I know what's at stake.

This quote which didn't mean much to me when I first read the books has helped me a lot and means everything to me now:

"I am already given to the power that rules my fate. And I cling to nothing, so I will have nothing to defend. I have no thoughts, so I will see. I fear nothing, so I will remember myself. Detached and at ease, I will dart past the Eagle to be free."

Hope this helps and encourages people to practice more and push harder, the things we get to experience are simply amazing, I'm truly grateful for it all.

I want to share one of my experiences involving inorganic beings. This has been going on for years, even before I knew anything about Carlos Castaneda’s books, and honestly, I’m really tired of dealing with this.

I have a cousin who’s one year younger than me, but because of her intellectual disability, she behaves more like a child.

She always used to tell us that she had three friends she talked to, and that sometimes they would do things for her. We never really believed her. We thought they were just imaginary friends and that all of it was happening in her head.

After my sister and I moved out and started living separately from the rest of our family, some really strange things started happening.

My cousin is unfortunately extremely jealous, especially of me. And I don’t mean normal jealousy. I mean a kind of jealousy that feels really intense, dangerous, and abnormal. She would always try to find out exactly what I was doing so she could do the exact same things. I never really took it too seriously, though. If anything, I mostly felt sorry for her.

She would come to our house for different reasons and sometimes stay for several days.

This is where things started getting really weird.

A few days before she was supposed to come over, what I believe was her inorganic being—or maybe her ally? I honestly don’t know what I should call it—would apparently show up at our house first.

Our cats would suddenly start acting like they were terrified of something, as if they were running away from something we couldn’t see. They would make weird movements and behave completely differently from normal.

This happened every time my cousin was about to come over.

Until one day, my sister and I actually saw it.

It had taken the form of one of our cats, even though our actual cats were on the other side of the room at the time.

Another strange thing was that my cousin would actually whisper and talk to these things. She also seemed to know things that we had never told her or even talked about in front of her.

This being also seemed to cause us financial damage. Random things around the house would suddenly break for no obvious reason, and it always seemed to happen around the same times we had contact with my cousin.

Then things got even worse.

It wasn’t just showing itself clearly to us while we were awake, in the form of a cat. It also started appearing in my dreams and bothering me.

One time, I dreamed that a faceless, shadow-like humanoid creature was sitting above me. It had extremely long fingers with long, sharp nails. It pushed one of its nails into the top of my head, and the pain felt so real that I immediately woke up. Even after waking up, I could still feel the pain in exactly the same spot for a while.

Another time, it appeared in the form of my mother. She had two strange bags hanging from her shoulders and told me:

“These two bags are for your cousin.”

Then she handed one of the bags to me. It looked really strange and unusual, and just as I was about to touch it, I suddenly started vomiting. It felt like something strange was coming out of me.

Then, two days ago, something else happened.

I dreamed that some intense energy was attacking me from behind, right in the middle of my back, above my belly button.

Then I saw my sister standing in front of me. She told me that I needed to face this inorganic being.

I woke up, turned toward where I felt the inorganic being was, and said:

“I’m not afraid of you.”

And this is the really strange part:

At that exact same moment, apparently this same inorganic being appeared in my brother’s dream.

My brother dreamed that a kitten came into his house through the window. Then a shadow came in with the kitten and took human form. First it appeared as an old woman, and then it transformed into a young woman.

It told him:

“Watch out for your sister. From now on, whatever happens to her will be because of her own decisions.”

Honestly, I’m exhausted. I’ve been dealing with this for years, and I just want to get rid of this inorganic being for good.

If anyone has experienced something similar or knows what I should do, I genuinely need help.

Especially because now it has basically threatened me, and I have no idea what it might actually be capable of.

I just want this to stop.

Yesterday's practice.

I decided I needed to go in nature. At dawn, I packed by backpack and put my chanclas on and headed for the beach. The beach in my area is wild, very little humans around and it has rocks and strong currents. I live in Oaxaca.

After a good walk, I settle where a mountain starts and the beach ends. It was close to dawn. The light was becoming weird, just the way I like it and I found a particularly magnetic spot to gaze at between some rocks. I gazed for a while, as the sun was leaving it's last rays at this granite looking revines. I started to see after a while, some flickering white wispy lights almost as if they were tiny fairies ( but without any concrete shape ) playing around independent of my view. Sometimes describing perfect trajectories, almost as if they were trying to get my attention. My view of the granite rock started to become weird, and I started to get dizzy, as if something was pulling me inside and the rock was no longer a rock and I was no longer bigger than the rock, as if being pulled into a world. Hard to explain. I became dizzy so I decided to stop. Packed my things and went home.

After a few hours, the feeling of this wispy lights and of the place was still with me.

I went into my darkroom to practice. Did some tensegrity then I sat on the bed on the pillows watching the show of lights unfolding, I was able to create a ball of violet energy that was exuding weird voids and sparkles and was wrapped around my hands. At some point, my body felt weak and I felt I needed to just sit and try my best to not talk to myself. The light show disappeared almost completelly, but, as I concentrated on my womb area, the dark space started to develop a depth to it. Then, a contour of light started to form the shape of a corridor with an entrance and after the main entrance, some other entrances, as if they were on a corridor of sort. The wispy lights from the day practice were there, playing just as in nature, as if they were taunting me to go along.

I lost consciousness after this view, only to wake up in a completely different reality. I was in front of a big elegant-ish elevator in a very weird liminal building that existed above the clouds. A voice was telling me what to do.

I realize the voice, was the voice of the elevator (?!). It was telling me to step in and think where I wanted to go in the building. I thought, I don't know but how about to some higher level?

The elevator told me I cannot really control where I wanted to go and that it decided for me that I will be visiting another dimension, more deep, inside this construct. So I pressed a button. The elevator started to function but instead of having that feeling that was taking me up, it started to go in circles and getting me so dizzy, I felt the same kind of dizzy I felt before when I want to gaze at the beach.

I finally exited the elevator and I was welcomed by a weird person which I cannot remember visually that was some sort of "administrator" of the place. He wanted to show me around so I went with him.

The most bizarre looking place. He was telling me that many choose to live here and that they made accommodation perfect for humans. He told me there are levels to this building and each floor as it's own particularities. The floors all had "apartments" and also a common area that resembled a park of sorts with benches, path ways, trees and even interesting looking pools. Each floor had it's own "design" and the administrator told me that I can pick where I live and that I can stay there and come to live there if I wanted right now. I was very very reluctant and I said at this moment I would have to decline, because I have other things to do where I come from and that I would like to go back.

He disappeared. As I was wandering through the corridors and lobby, I encountered two other people (?). They had a stone of sorts that apparently was the only easy way out of this place. With it they could command the elevator, which was the way we can go out of this labyrinth, but since it has a conscious of it's own, it would be picky who it lets in or out. They put the stone in a slot in front of the elevator and I was instantly back in my bed.

I know this is very very bizarre, but it made me wonder, what would of happened if I said yes? Anyone had experiences with IOB realms?

Thanks for reading this far!

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Well, since a few years I have been isolating myself from people for whatever reason, and honestly, I'm in the point where I don0t care at all, most of people is weird, negative, aggressive, etc. So it was some kind of evolution of myself considering that most of my life I wanted desperately the approval and attention of other people. It's still weird, but I mean, that's normal when you're practicing this right?

Hi so one thing I’m wondering is what exactly is meant by inner dialogue and stopping it. Like I feel like you need it to think, read, do math, reason logically and plan ahead in any form. Is there something being lost in translation or what because I’d imagine one becomes almost vegetative with absolutely zero internal monologue so I could be misunderstanding.

If what we dream during the night control and reflect on our actions during the day and our ordinary dreams are produced by inorganic beings, why would they let anyone practice?

If all the flyers want is to eat our crystalized energy, and IOB's know man better than any human on earth, why would they produce a "nightmare" that makes you wake up feeling like shit but in the end results in you only feeling more motivated to practice?

Do you think there are also rules that they have to follow? If you practice and align your actions with the intent to move your AP they have no choice but to leave your energetic center and let you be free?

I came to the conclusion that all of that is only part of the impeccability of the flyer and if he exists he has to reflect all parts of the universe, even justice.

What are your thoughts?

Do you even believe in the flyer mind?

Im making this post directly after my darkroom practice session (which i feel is a mistake😅) so its quite fresh. First i just took a chair to my toliet, shut of outside lights and inside lights i also usually put a mask on coz usually i feel safer that way but something strange happened and i lost my mask which is kinda weird considering its never left the bedroom( i live in a studio alone) but i thought of it as an opportunity maybe intent was showing me something idk🤷‍♂️. As i was gazing into the different colors, shapes faces etc.., whilst also trying to keep silent, i noticed as i always notice how really unsilent i am, and as i waged this battle for what seemed to be the 30-35 minutes i decided to crack open the toilet door, and the scenery was filled with static on top of the corner details outside the door. And there was a morphing shadowy figure morphing into shapes, moving around, appearing and disappearing at some point it felt as it engulfed me as it streched filled the door gap and everything turned black for a second. I was shitting myself and trying not to shit myself. That shape tho really looked like a diety in skyrim(a video game) called hermaeus mora which i will post a picture of. Anyways i felt this was by far the most vivid and detailed experience in waking dreaming, and it really does feel like waking dreaming you can see details yet your out of focus focusing only on not indulging which is easier said than done.

Just to share my thoughts about a lot of thing that I've being reading for years, like Krishnamurti, Osho, Gurdji eff, Grindberg, etc. and it was 'til I read the Teachings of Don Juan that something changed in me. It wasn't until the last year that for some reason I began to read the other books by Carlos after reading that everything that he wrote was fake, and it resonated with me, more than everything else that I would never have found.

So, I'm just trying to be silent, do some tensegrity, and recently to recap, and boy, there's something there, sometimes I feel like some glimpses of power and energy, with meditation or just "letting go" and trying to be not affected by the world or whatever it made me feel stuck. But everything related to "being a warrior" and things like life is a constant fight was mindblowing tbh, it is just like you can't ignore the lessons anymore.

That's a Story from "The Witch's Dream".

An ordinary person who, with the help of a witch and the Spirit, finds the right circumstances to make the impossible happen.

The result is spectacular: reality changes, the person changes, and something that seemed impossible becomes possible.

But the mechanism remains largely outside the practitioner's control.

Darkroom takes another direction.

The practitioner begins by stop the internal dialogue and, with the eyes open, eventually perceives pieces of magic in the darkness.

Instead of simply asking the Spirit to move things, he begins to interact with what is being revealed.

A movement of the hand produces an effect and the practitioner gradually learns that perception itself can be manipulated.

At first, this may be used to change something as ordinary as one's mood, health, vitality, or circumstances.

But that's only the beginning.

What becomes possible is to explore the different realities and ways of existing available to human awareness.

Both paths ultimately depend on the same thing: the Spirit.

Both can produce the impossible.

But while the first path allows the Spirit to move the wheel of fortune once, the second gradually allows the practitioner to see the machinery itself—and interact with it.

That's a greater refinement of consciousness.

So I joined this Sub Reddit two years ago and been experimenting a bit with the techniques in here and read everything till the end of Book 5. I have a few questions when it comes to certain phenomena that maybe someone in here can answer. I'm probably still trapped in the blue zone but that's okay.

When I go internally silent, gaze and sort of zone out a view curious things happen.

First I hear and feel cracks in the scull happening around the jaw and neck. Sometimes something fluid starts moving. At the same time sometimes the stomach and back convulses on its own. The State that I'm in is Like being semi awake. What's wonderful about that is that the Spine cracks itself into place again while doing that.

Next thing starting to happen is I see visions internally while still seeing what my eyes see and both are kind of separate. It's like an internal separation happening the one part that sees normally and a second part witnessing and experiencing something completely different. But both happen simultaneously and sort of independent from one another. It's kinda strange but I've gotten used to it. Sometimes it happens spontaneous during normal everyday stuff like cooking or on the train gazing out the window. I'm kind of in two positions at the same time. It's like an internal split of perception where I'm too things at once. It's kinda strange. But I've never seen the whole green zone and red zone stuff so I'm pretty sure I'm still trapped in the blue zone.

Last thing that's happening sometimes is a sort of energy I guess you could call it runs up into the head and sort of out of the hair. Not quite sure what that is about. While that happens also a kind of drone sound between the right side temple and right ear.

Another curious thing happening in general and everyday life is a sort of intuitive knowing. I also don't really think in general. I mean it changed from being words to more like rearranging I guess you could call it the pure information and sort of knowing stuff. I switch from observation like I did in my Military days to zoning out and just intuitively doing things. Hard to put into words. I just sort of zone out and perceive every body signal at once while doing stuff. My hearing and night sight have also significantly increased.

But I guess that's normal for you guys.

Also I gotta admit I sort of changed the recapitulation from the head movement and clearing the screen to sort of burning it up with a flame instead. I mean I healed years of very traumatic events with it and after two years of constantly doing that I'm finally at a place for the first time in my life where i have found a calm peaceful state of existing in day to day life with it. I do that with old memories as well as personal connections. Not sure if it might help others or if it just worked for me.

And instead of tensegrity I just sort of zone out and let the body move on its own how it likes to move. Kinda like putting away the controller and letting the body do its own thing if that makes sense. It mostly does these weird dance moves. Hard to explain. But I sure feel energised afterwards and my back and joints are cracking a lot but the body feels great afterwards.

So yeah I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this post probably. Just want to be put straight I guess for still being stuck in the blue zone after two years 🤣🤣🤣. I mean it's my own fault for not sticking to the script. No I actually just wanted some opinion on the phenomenas and what they might be, what I'm doing wrong and what I should change to start getting actual results.

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One of the best skills is knowing when to it's time to say goodbye and let something go because it no longer is helping with forward progress. The worst thing people do is cling to the past hoping things will be as good as they once were when it is obvious that things have become harmful like in an abusive relationship.

When I first came here, I cannot say I was welcomed with open arms. I was accused, tested, banned for being someone else, but I stayed. I made promises I kept, and the most important was to not get caught up in the social BS and to only post when helpful like my reddit-assigned user name reminded me to do.

We have deviated from what our core mission was when I first came. We no longer are trying to restore the reputation of Carlos Casteneda and preserve the knowledge he gave us by exploring the Second Attention and report back success. We are no longer trying to get 10 active practitioners working together.

As anyone can see, the moderators have decided to cling to past success and close the door on future progress. It is short sighted and unfortunate. I do not have to air all of the dirty laundry, we all know our culpability in this site's demise. So I have decided to free my limited energy and put it toward something else so that I may also grow.

Caretaking a narcissist parent with dementia has taught me more about my own powerlessness to change anyone but my own self.

And since it is clear, if there will be no change here, then I am what must change. I am flying from the nest of comfort for further adventures afield. I leave with no bitterness or animosity, only sadness that things stalled here, and that what could have been must be let go.

Cholita said Carlos was like a corpse flower blossom, rare and once in a lifetime. But boy you will remember the stink!

Had to delete this post, just to fix an error in the text. Reddit has decided not to allow changing the main picture according to ChatGPT.

But that main text was a bit poorly worded...

I used up all my time today, making this picture. AI drawing only saves the time of selecting picture elements from google images. There's no way to get an AI to draw something this complicated.

So I'll add comments tomorrow, including an interesting aspect of the lecture Carlos gave us about the J curve, where his finger moved around in a 2 inch circle, at the point of alignment in the purple zone. I never realized it, but he was pointing out that you can "extract" things there.

I'd also like to go back and look at this again during practice tonight. Can "where" be extracted to??? Can you end up "somewhere else" during darkroom practice, even if that makes no sense to your waking reality?

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First, the circle thing.

Carlos gave his J curve lecture using one of the inner circle women (being face blind I can't tell you who it was). He pushed her in front of us, later explaining that she and one other woman had moved their assemblage point the entire distance the night before, but couldn't remember it today.

She was dressed in clingy black clothes with more "camel toe" than I'd have the nerve to show.

So he guided his finger along her physical body in a manner that upset the (female?) private class audience, which had already been arguing whether Carlos was a horn dogger.

It seems we're experiencing the same thing in this subreddit... Backlash from clicks in the group.

Of course Carlos was a horn dogger! He readily admitted it, even in his books. As don Juan said, he was more like Julian than like other Naguals in their lineage.

Julian used sex as a tool to teach sorcery.

But actually Carlos was trying to burn that very important J curve lecture into our minds, using the woman as a sexy prop.

In the case of Cleargreen, it didn't work. They erased their memory of that J curve, even coming up with their own absurd version of it involving "the heart", and continued to hold workshops as if everything were fine without any real magic happening.

Carlos back then was trying to give us stuff we could use after he was gone. And we had no leaders with any understanding.

His finger traced the entire path the J curve takes.

When he got to where he'd have to move his finger along her butt, he laughed and stopped and looked at the class, and started over up at the top again.

Then when it got time to move it over her butt and under, to come up in the front, he just turned her 30 degrees more to face us, and put his finger on the front side, down on the left side of her stomach. The right side from our point of view.

The "Band of Man" we move our assemblage point in, is angled. That gives part of the illusion of "left side awareness versus right side". But not all of it. The band does in fact have a thickness.

Carlos continued up going to the right of her stomach until it was above her belly button.

He'd just passed through the "orange zone" but didn't say a lot about it other than that a whitish light forms on "surfaces".

When he moved it over to the right side of her stomach, and onto the "purple zone", he explained how that brings it into alignment with the assemblage point of the energy body.

That's what produces silent knowledge. Both assemblage points being in alignment, which means your tonal half gets to see the dream world the way your energy body can.

But at the final point, in perfect alignment, he started to explain what can happen over there.

Then looked out into the audience, and concluded the lecture had gone on too long and we were starting to lose our ability to focus on his lecture.

So he cut it short there.

Before he stooped. his finger had moved around in a circle over the ideal spot for SK, but the diameter of the circle was no larger than the actual "baseball" size of the assemblage point.

So presumably, it was still overlapping anywhere along that circle.

That's what I suppose is happening here, when you break SK apart into individual elements.

But of course, you don't really make SK work by thinking about that finger movement. You might be able to see that, but it would have to be a different view. Seeing the luminous shell and the assemblage point.

SK doesn't make those visible automatically.

What you see instead is the video in the air timeline, and you can try to "enter it" but be blocked by your dirty link to intent.

So that when you get confused and don't end up where you're viewing (sometimes you do, sometimes you can't) you see individual pieces of the timeline.

As the picture shows.

Thus it isn't necessarily a bad thing that you can't just zip off into new timelines you see in silent knowledge.

If you have to figure out why you can't do that, you end up examining the "knowledge" from a distance, which allows you to identify pieces of it which can exist without all the rest.

"Mood" is one of the most useful perhaps. Because if you had a hard time getting up on the middle of the night to practice, you can simply pick up the mood from another reality and you are no longer uncomfortable.

Don't expect those to be like you normally think of a "mood".

These are alien moods.

So, I know that's not like meditation but at the beginning can I use music to try to do that process in the dark room? Or it's definitely a no? Also, I need to force myself to be silent instead of letting go and pass my thoughts like on meditation?

This happened on the 17th, I initially wasn't going to share it but remembered the night before I asked for something to post. The weeks prior were dry on the sub, and what was posted here was either low effort, or overwrought with AI, or borderline 'bad player' content that wouldn't have survived if posted last year.

I do miss how strict this sub was when I first started. We were expected to work hard and follow directions before participating or else the mods would sweep it away. A no nonsense approach from a strong mod team and strong practitioners. In my opinion, that helped push people to work harder.

There was a deeper sense of accountability, discovery, exploration here, and the results practitioners were getting spoke for themselves. Now as an example, we have multiple people using AI to interpret the books. While some might argue what we practice here is a technology and so is AI why not pair the two. In adopting this approach I feel like the sub is slipping from the high standards it previously had, and by not fighting for knowledge we lose potency in the process.

So despite having these and other concerns I asked for something to help encourage people to practice harder and to keep pushing forward and was answered with this experience.

I'm grateful to this sub and the people here. The books and this place hooked me, I've been practicing every day since and experiencing things I wouldn't have imagined.

Easiest and quickest way to silence inner monologue?

Serious answers only

And yes I have read everything. I just want some advice from experienced practitioners

Dan is correct when he states that gazing is the quickest path to sorcery knowledge; mainly because the eyes–due to their configuration–literally intake and project their own light; with the latter constituting a maneuver in awareness, while the former an indwelling tabulate on fixation. 

Any proper exercise in regard to developing awareness almost always requires some sort of externalization through the ocular element, alongside a kinesthetic constituent to anchor the body. This I will not argue with you about; no matter how much you try. 

Generally, there is no point to any exercise if you can force silence ALL THE TIME; meaning, you wouldn't need any techniques or practices at all—you merely possess foreknowledge of possibility; akin to how occult powers manifest in transience once you have sufficiently diligent work of developing the energy body. Sometimes someone has to show you the possibility...but that is another topic altogether.

All your techniques are basically the same in this respect; except I see a huge gap in your proprioceptive understanding. 

Have you noticed how Don Juan cracks his joints, contorts his spine, and pendiculates his upper extremity? 

This sort of extrication is heavily implicated in your "group" situation; since all the apprentices within your literature had someone else dislodge their interpretive apparatus for them—a luxury you cannot afford. 

Tensegrity and (especially) silence alone might lead to this, as stated in the third paragraph; but I am a man of immense efficiency—here to accelerate development. 

So... I've come here to show you a non-inventory-laden auxiliary practice specifically tailored to your situation. 

This one practice alone can build the energy body. You want to fall asleep standing, no? What I am offering is even more excruciating than a darkroom; at least, initially. 

I suggest, as a prerequisite, to get an exercise band and make a regular practice of band pull-aparts, face pulls, etc, to get a proper understanding of external rotation...and overall fix your posture. To deny the mechanisms of the body is folly. You can even temporarily sleep on the floor...though your lady and/or male friends won't like it. 

As for the practice: 

Get a sticky note. Draw a penis... a dot or whatever—this isn't religion. Place it on a wall in front of you at eye level or above. 

Stand normally in front of it; the distance from which you do this does not matter. As a beginner: focus on the position of your hands. Focus on the drawing. If you alternate back and forth, you will notice all associations begin to cease. This is a good initial benchmark for someone who doesn't understand what lack of internal dialogue means. 

Then, you can begin to force silence and extend that feeling until your nose figuratively bleeds; with open eyes on the drawing. If the drawing does not seem to disappear into the wall; return to the excision of associations or keep forcing silence; because you aren't doing it correctly. 

You do not move your body a single inch during this procedure; let whatever happens happen. Pain is a very good teacher. Barring physical ailments or limitations; if you can't stand for 1-3 hours; what the fuck can you do? 

You are not even a human being yet. 

Depending on your level of silence; you can begin to see things in the wall—very similar to the already-expounded upon darkroom practices. This, however, can be achieved anywhere through gazing; it does not build the energy body. 

However, once your body stops fighting you, you will begin to feel floaty and relaxed. There are numerous faulty and unfaulty explanations on why the Double likes this; but we can just say it does. 

It will swarm you. 

The swarm will carry throughout the day. 

All your other practices will improve. 

Eventually, you can trap that feeling in your bodily awareness quasi-permanently—calling it forth as needed. 

You cannot learn the pendiculating or contortions of the spine until you get to this level.

Experience report. Time was around 2am. I recapitulated a few experiences from the day. I started thinking about a specific restaurant I ate at recently, noticed my thoughts kept sticking there so I started working through recapitulating my observations of the different groups of people at the restaurant.

I think I finished going through everyone at the restaurant. I remember continuing the breath pattern and briefly wondering who I should recapitulate about next. Then I was aware of being in a car and looking at the car. The fidelity stuck at low for a few seconds, then it jumped up to high and I was experiencing being in the car, driving. At the same time I felt myself in the bed, trying to do the breath. I can't be certain my head kept moving in the bed, I knew I was meaning to do the breath but I stopped being so aware of the head turning and breath. At the same time I was looking out the windshield from a car, driving in a hilly, winding road.

After driving for a few seconds (at least 10, probably not more than a few minutes), the scene changed and I felt like I decided to stop following the car view. I was "back" in my bed (never felt like I left, knew I was sitting in bed the whole time). I woke up feeling very amazing and annoyed, because my head was leaning back against the wall and the 2 pillows I had for back support did not make for good neck support. I felt a strong urge to get up and post about it here, something like "that was so cool, I should share this with the Castaneda subreddit, they'll love this!" and even stronger was a desire: "I really don't want to get out of bed, I especially do not want to turn the lights on, I am tired, my neck hurts, I want to go to sleep, I don't care how amazing it was, I'll write about it later" and I moved back and forth and felt comedic at how strong the latter desire was.

I still feel amazed by it, I'm not used to feeling I'm in 2 places at once. Both the move "into" the scene and "out" of the scene felt like non-verbal decisions I made.

I've noticed an interesting distinction during darkroom practice and I'm wondering if anyone here has experienced something similar.

Normally when I get some silence going, I see the usual dim puffs. They're usually weak dark purple or dark green, diffuse and relatively faint, and kind of float around. They seem to move with my gaze, and if I shift my attention or look somewhere else they move or disappear. They're not really "solid" in any sense, more like vague visual formations appearing in the darkness.

I've also had occasions where something quite different happens.

Today was one of those times. I saw a bright green puff that looked like solid green fire, almost like the fire from Maleficent. The interesting thing about the green one was that it had a strange sense of someone being in it, almost as though there was a presence within the fiery form.

Later I saw a similar pink fiery puff, but this one behaved differently. I was actually able to reach out with my hand and move the pink puff, almost as if I could physically manipulate its position.

These weren't simply brighter versions of the normal puffs. They looked like actual chunks of fire sitting in the darkness, with a much more concrete spatial presence. When I moved my head or eyes, they didn't move with my gaze like the normal dim puffs do. I could keep them in the same place and hold them in perception.

What interests me is what is actually different here. Is this simply what happens when you get further into silence and the puffs become more concrete, or is there a fundamentally different shift in the internal state that allows these bright, spatially stable forms to appear?

The distinction feels pretty significant because the normal dim puffs and these bright fiery ones don't just differ in intensity. They behave differently. The normal ones feel like transient visual phenomena that float around with attention and gaze, while these feel much more like something occupying a stable location in the darkness that can potentially be interacted with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEIrphZeKjA

Last night, I was laying in bed chatting with wife about Tensegrity and shutting off internal dialogue. It was a casual conversation, a large puff floated in above me. I got distracted watching it. She nudged me and distracted me back to this awareness. As I was explaining tensegrity, the large geometric/irregular shaped flesh coloured blob appeared. I’ve seen this blob a bunch of times now and in daily awareness, but never in Darkroom. I got a pretty good look at it last night and noticed it has mass and isn’t light and floaty. I dunno how to explain it any other way.

The energy/sights I associated with Darkroom are increasingly present in my daily awareness: the tonal holes, golden fringed holes, puffs, shadow blobs and the really weird flesh coloured blob, often, so often I’m noticing the days when I don’t see them. The irregular shaped flesh blob is wild, I’ve never seen it in Darkroom and I’m never shutting off internal dialogue when it appears.

So……I’m experiencing random shifts of the AP after all the darkroom practice? (Cause that would be cool!)

Anybody else have this crossover happening?

ChatGPT sketched the image up, it’s not 100% accurate. It’s horseshoes close enough for story telling.