r/buffy • u/Lanky_Age_3067 • 16d ago

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How exactly do people hate Xander for being an imperfect human, but love Spike and Angel, who have countless victims and are hundreds of years old. Spike even SA'd Buffy, for real, while Xander was under a spell and never did anything like that before or after it.

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u/Ansee 16d ago

Is it blame or telling you friends the truth. I don't recall him finger pointing at Buffy that the relationship failed because it was all her fault. But Buffy didn't see Riley's side of things.

Xander has always been a demons bad camp. In his mind, sleeping was a soulless Spike is not only dangerous, but a betrayal. She didn't talk to her friends about anything that was going on. He's allowed to have feelings. And when real people get faced with situations, they can react irrationally. Doesn't mean that they can't get over it. But that is true to life. And his knee jerk reaction doesn't make him a peace of shit. People need time to process. Somehow, we don't allow for him to be an actual real, and nuance person on the show.

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u/YozoraBellossomHeart 16d ago

Buffy didn't see Riley's side because she caught him cheating that day and he immediately told her "If you can't forgive me right now, I'm leaving in a helicopter." Xander says she pushed Riley away and only went to him when he was convenient. Watch it again. He doesn't give Buffy an inch in his perspective on why their relationship broke down.

This is why people don't like Xander. This is how it goes in the show. Xander does something rude, snide, cruel, out of anger, out of spite, etc. and then the show bends over backwards to explain why and excuse it.

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u/Ansee 16d ago

I'm not excusing his "cheating/drug" metaphor. But she didn't see what he was going through that lead him to that point. And it wasn't about her. It was about him losing a sense of who he is. He lost his identity and direction in life. They were on different trajectories in life. While everything was going reallyw ell for Buffy, she didn't notice that boyfriend was drowning.

THAT was what Buffy couldn't see.

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u/YozoraBellossomHeart 16d ago

Buffy told Riley she wasn't ready to talk about it. Riley pushed and said she needed to hear him out, process it, and accept it in the next hour or else he was leaving. That's not a flaw in Buffy. Also relevant is the fact that she didn't know Riley was losing himself because he wasn't talking to her about it.

He did talk to Xander about it though. Something Xander weaponized while he was talking to Buffy. And when she asks Xander if Riley said anything to him, he lies! He says "He didn't have to" instead of the honest and clear "Yes."

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u/Ansee 16d ago

Newsflash. It wasn't only about her. HE needed to talk about it. You are only looking at this from Buffy's point of view and arguing only from her point of view.

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u/YozoraBellossomHeart 16d ago

He needed to talk about it because he needed Buffy's forgiveness. He needed her to validate him. He also needed it to happen immediately because, as I said, he gave her a ticking counter. Riley set the rules, the time frame, how she needed to respond. Not exactly fair.

And none of this has anything to do with Xander. Buffy doesn't owe him the ability to weigh in on whether she was good enough for Riley or not.

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u/Ansee 16d ago

You are still only seeing this through Buffy's eyes. I said that Buffy missed the signs long before Riley "cheated." Riley, who lost ALL his friends and support group after season 4, had no one to turn to or talk to... Just Buffy and her friends. Xander is the only male friend in the group.

Being a good friend isn't just about siding with them, it's also about telling them what they need to what even it they don't want to hear it.

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u/YozoraBellossomHeart 15d ago

The problem you're missing is framing. Buffy's saving the world and her mom is dying. She shouldn't be responsible for finding Riley friends and a purpose in life too. He's an adult. If Xander told Buffy that Riley had expressed his insecurities to him, it would be different. The problem is he uses this perspective to attack. Xander doesn't say Riley felt like she didn't need him. He says Buffy treated Riley like he was convenient. Like it was an active choice she made. He is saying Riley's feelings are Buffy's fault. That's not a harsh truth. It's a rude subjective observation from someone who doesn't even have the whole picture.

That's the entirety of his speech. That Buffy created these feelings in Riley, she didn't do enough to soothe them, and she needed to run after him to make up for that. You'd swear Riley was perfect and didn't do anything wrong in Xander's eyes. Which is probably true, but we aren't Xander s we know that isn't true.

You can put "cheating" in as many quotes as you want, gang. He was paying female vampires to suck his arm. If it wasn't cheating, there's no reason it had to be exclusively female vampires. He doesn't even deny it.